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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 24, 2018 16:15:03 GMT -5
Okay I still haven’t seen this movie, but someone explained to me that Holdo has a plan that she doesn’t tell anyone about and lets everyone think they’re fucked until the end but that they should just blindly trust her. So the moral of the storyline is blindly trust you superior even if they seem incompetent and reckless?
So isn’t that like an opposite version of the Krell storyline? Where it turns out Krell has a secret plan to take the capital and Fives should have been a good bitch not questioned him?
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 24, 2018 18:14:36 GMT -5
Okay I still haven’t seen this movie, but someone explained to me that Holdo has a plan that she doesn’t tell anyone about and lets everyone think they’re Potato is Awesomeed until the end but that they should just blindly trust her. So the moral of the storyline is blindly trust you superior even if they seem incompetent and reckless? So isn’t that like an opposite version of the Krell storyline? Where it turns out Krell has a secret plan to take the capital and Fives should have been a good bitch not questioned him? Yeah which is why Poe mutinies it's all honestly so dumb
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 24, 2018 19:20:04 GMT -5
Lol I literally found a post saying that since he was disloyal to her, he should have been court martialed if not executed... that’s fucking Krell verbatim
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2018 19:45:31 GMT -5
Okay I still haven’t seen this movie, but someone explained to me that Holdo has a plan that she doesn’t tell anyone about and lets everyone think they’re Potato is Awesomeed until the end but that they should just blindly trust her. So the moral of the storyline is blindly trust you superior even if they seem incompetent and reckless? So isn’t that like an opposite version of the Krell storyline? Where it turns out Krell has a secret plan to take the capital and Fives should have been a good bitch not questioned him? Yes. But that makes sense, Lucas values freedom. Disney is basically a corporate empire at this point.
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2018 19:57:42 GMT -5
Honestly I just wanted them to use Ackbar instead of Holdo... lost opportunity
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 1, 2018 10:31:48 GMT -5
I watched it again... Idk I kind of want to like it because it had some cool moments but I know they messed things up. It didn't accomplish anything really, it was more like a step backwards. The whole main story was just dumb. It was just the First Order chasing the Resistance through space... My biggest complaint though is how at the end the Resistance is literally just ten people and the Millennium Falcon. No. In TFA it was two superpowers the New Republic and the First Order. Sure the Core Republic planets were destroyed but that couldn't be all of it. And there's no way they couldn't get help from anyone else. They said the First Order had been expanding but it's just been a week they can't have expanded that much. Idk... But they should've just ended it at the shot of the Falcon, What was the point of those cringey kids... And they shouldn't have killed Luke. Or ruined all the other storylines..
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 22, 2018 22:09:25 GMT -5
Didn't Newan have a character named Porg?
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 22, 2018 22:52:59 GMT -5
Didn't Newan have a character named Porg? Yeah now that you mention it that seems familiar... I remember big boy Bulla Nen though not sure if he was the sarlaacc or that was something else
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 23:09:13 GMT -5
Didn't Newan have a character named Porg? Yeah i did he was a Gamorrean Guard.
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Post by Kenbo on May 7, 2019 16:52:54 GMT -5
I watched it again. I thought this was only my second time watching it but from my above comment apparently I had rewatched it once before...
Well I still don't like it. Finn and Rose's side quest was so weird. They set up some very complicated plan using a lot of techy jargon that most people will not understand and ultimately it was useless. TESB also had Han and Leia's side plot where they were separated from Luke (like how Rey is separated here) but that was simply them trying to escape from the Empire. No pointless adventure to lengthen the movie.
Rose's character was so unnecessary. If she was a well written character it may have made up for it but she wasn't so it didn't. Just replacing her with Poe would've made that whole side plot so much better. And seriously they gave this newly introduced character more of a backstory than Poe, who is supposed to be a main character? It seriously should've been Poe and Finn doing stuff. Also at the end, she gives her autistic little monologue about how the power of love will save them as the First Order literally fucking blows an entrance into their base in the background. Something that could've been prevented if someone had sacrificed themself. Fucking Rose could've sacrificed herself and saved Finn instead of just saving Finn and letting everyone else get fucked. At first I thought she died which makes her action even more stupid but I think she lives. Not sure which is worse.
Rey fucking sucks. If she went 1v1 vs Anakin, she would massacre him. She shouldn't be able to but she would. She could kill Mace and Yoda also probably. Maybe after taking them both at the same time. I just can't like her. She is such a bad character just like everyone else in these movies. That's what a lot of it comes down to, the characters just being made stupid. Rey is some OP annoying bitch, Poe is a gung-ho idiot desparate to be a hero. Finn is just clueless. But at least he has good intentions. He tries to do the right thing and tries to help people. He may just be decent.
Surprisingly I liked Kylo more here than in TFA. In TFA he felt overly edgy. He's still edgy but he was very analytically calm at times which was a good vibe for the character. I know killing Snoke without explaining him at all was a fuck up but seeing it now after just not caring about these movies, lowkey it was a cool moment. Kylo was sick of taking shit from his master and decided to kill him. Kylo's just a guy who's tired of the same shit that doesn't work, the Jedi, the Sith, the Rebels, the First Order. It's time for all of it to end so he can build a new galactic order in his vision. This is an acceptable drive. Just the timing of killing Snoke was bad I guess because it leaves so many questions.
Hux is just a joke. Like can anyone even like him? He is like Starscream from transformers but worse. Both were massive pussies trying to take power but Starscream had some good moments. Hux just gets pushed around by everyone. Literally. He was better in TFA I think. Tbh Domhnall Gleeson would've made a better good guy imo. There's some great actors in the cast but their talents are wasted with these shitty characters
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Post by Kenbo on May 7, 2019 16:59:33 GMT -5
There's another huge problem. The originals were good movies and they could stand by themselves however there were still questions about the lore that could have been answered. Who was the Emperor? How did Vader end up like that? What was the Clone War? And they answered all these questions by making three more prequel movies. The saga felt pretty complete.
But now you have this new storyline which creates several new questions and three movies is not enough to answer them. Also there is no fourth trilogy to answer them. So things should've been done differently.
It would have been poetic to make Kylo the main character. The prequels were about Anakin's fall from the light to the dark side. Throughout the originals Luke stayed on the light side. The sequels could have shown Kylo's returning from dark to the light. I think they probably will do that in the last one but he is not the main character of the movies. I get why the main protagonist being a bad guy wouldn't really sell well but I think it would've been a good story. Kylo also has Skywalker blood. It makes more sense for him to lead the trilogy.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 12, 2019 15:03:28 GMT -5
Ugh, I was on a Sonic forum and I saw this interesting topic that related to the Star Wars fandom, which inevitably got to talking about TLJ and Rey being a Mary-Sue. I don't normally get into debates, but I decided to wade in and describe to one person why Rey is a bad character. Their response was simple: smug, passive-aggressive retorts and pretty much labelling me a sexist. Oddly, it's now left me utterly despising TLJ even more now, yet not quite as much as its asshat fanbase.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 12, 2019 15:52:20 GMT -5
Ugh, I was on a Sonic forum and I saw this interesting topic that related to the Star Wars fandom, which inevitably got to talking about TLJ and Rey being a Mary-Sue. I don't normally get into debates, but I decided to wade in and describe to one person why Rey is a bad character. Their response was simple: smug, passive-aggressive retorts and pretty much labelling me a sexist. Oddly, it's now left me utterly despising TLJ even more now, yet not quite as much as its asshat fanbase. Dang. And honestly you’re like the calmest and least provocative person on here. Some people just want to be triggered.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 12, 2019 16:07:56 GMT -5
Ugh, I was on a Sonic forum and I saw this interesting topic that related to the Star Wars fandom, which inevitably got to talking about TLJ and Rey being a Mary-Sue. I don't normally get into debates, but I decided to wade in and describe to one person why Rey is a bad character. Their response was simple: smug, passive-aggressive retorts and pretty much labelling me a sexist. Oddly, it's now left me utterly despising TLJ even more now, yet not quite as much as its asshat fanbase. Dang. And honestly you’re like the calmest and least provocative person on here. Some people just want to be triggered. Being calm and unprovocative is practically my schtick on the web as it is in real life I'll be honest though, I kinda got triggered myself at the guy, but I remembered the old teachings from SW.com: don't feed the troll, so I reported him and left it that. Should've known really, knowing my luck. Every time, I end up walking away, thinking how pointless internet debates are.
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