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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:22:02 GMT -5
Why? Seeing as how Darth Vader has advantage in lightsaber and possibly force combat, I think Vader takes this Because he's basically a droid and he can't even run....... That didn't stop him slaughtering loads of Jedi Masters on Kessel and lots more during the Episode III-Episode VI period |
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Post by Potato on Jan 2, 2014 12:23:16 GMT -5
Like other people have said I don't really know a lot about Malgus but I definitely think he'd beat Vader. Vader isn't exactly that powerful in his suit. Malgus comes from the Old Republic era and is used to war and fighting while Vader rarely sees combat.
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Post by Potato on Jan 2, 2014 12:24:04 GMT -5
Because he's basically a droid and he can't even run....... That didn't stop him slaughtering loads of Jedi Masters on Kessel and lots more during the Episode III-Episode VI period Don't forget that Malgus led the attack on the jedi temple on Coruscant. Vader does have some abilities, but I think you're ignoring Malgus's. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:24:38 GMT -5
Like other people have said I don't really know a lot about Malgus but I definitely think he'd beat Vader. Vader isn't exactly that powerful in his suit. Malgus comes from the Old Republic era and is used to war and fighting while Vader rarely sees combat. Darth Vader has seen lots of combat, killed a Sith Lord, lots of Jedi Masters and was only slightly less powerful than the Emperor in his suit |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:25:03 GMT -5
That didn't stop him slaughtering loads of Jedi Masters on Kessel and lots more during the Episode III-Episode VI period Don't forget that Malgus led the attack on the jedi temple on Coruscant. Vader does have some abilities, but I think you're ignoring Malgus's. Malgus attacked the temple with loads of his Sith followers who were trained in the darkside with loads of time to prepare, plus, 300 years prior the Jedi were close to extinction, they had probably only started getting back on their feet. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 2, 2014 12:26:35 GMT -5
Like other people have said I don't really know a lot about Malgus but I definitely think he'd beat Vader. Vader isn't exactly that powerful in his suit. Malgus comes from the Old Republic era and is used to war and fighting while Vader rarely sees combat. Darth Vader has seen lots of combat, killed a Sith Lord, lots of Jedi Masters and was only slightly less powerful than the Emperor in his suit But he hasn't fought in a war (Vader hasn't, although Anakin has). Malgus has fought in a war with the jedi. Vader is living in an era where the Empire's almost in complete control and there aren't many people to challenge him. And I doubt he's nearly as powerful as the Emperor. Luke beat him in Episode 6 when he got angry but then was thrown down by the Emperor's lightning alone. The Emperor's far more powerful than Vader. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2014 12:27:59 GMT -5
Because he's basically a droid and he can't even run....... That didn't stop him slaughtering loads of Jedi Masters on Kessel and lots more during the Episode III-Episode VI period Pretty sure that's EU and a lot of it isn't canon... Based on the movies Vader can hardly do anything... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:28:55 GMT -5
Darth Vader has seen lots of combat, killed a Sith Lord, lots of Jedi Masters and was only slightly less powerful than the Emperor in his suit But he hasn't fought in a war (Vader hasn't, although Anakin has). Malgus has fought in a war with the jedi. Vader is living in an era where the Empire's almost in complete control and there aren't many people to challenge him. And I doubt he's nearly as powerful as the Emperor. Luke beat him in Episode 6 when he got angry but then was thrown down by the Emperor's lightning alone. The Emperor's far more powerful than Vader. George Lucas said it himself. Anyway , Luke Skywalker defeated him because he would have lots of midichrlorians and was trained by Yoda and Obi Wan, and didn't have a big suit that restricted his powers. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:30:12 GMT -5
That didn't stop him slaughtering loads of Jedi Masters on Kessel and lots more during the Episode III-Episode VI period Pretty sure that's EU and a lot of it isn't canon... Based on the movies Vader can hardly do anything... It is canon, none of it has been overwrited and is confirmed as canon, most of the EU is canon as well. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 2, 2014 12:32:04 GMT -5
But he hasn't fought in a war (Vader hasn't, although Anakin has). Malgus has fought in a war with the jedi. Vader is living in an era where the Empire's almost in complete control and there aren't many people to challenge him. And I doubt he's nearly as powerful as the Emperor. Luke beat him in Episode 6 when he got angry but then was thrown down by the Emperor's lightning alone. The Emperor's far more powerful than Vader. George Lucas said it himself. Anyway , Luke Skywalker defeated him because he would have lots of midichrlorians and was trained by Yoda and Obi Wan, and didn't have a big suit that restricted his powers. Exactly, his powers are restricted by his suit. Malgus really has no restrictions. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:32:46 GMT -5
George Lucas said it himself. Anyway , Luke Skywalker defeated him because he would have lots of midichrlorians and was trained by Yoda and Obi Wan, and didn't have a big suit that restricted his powers. Exactly, his powers are restricted by his suit. Malgus really has no restrictions. However, Vader is still very powerful even with his suit. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2014 12:33:57 GMT -5
Pretty sure that's EU and a lot of it isn't canon... Based on the movies Vader can hardly do anything... It is canon, none of it has been overwrited and is confirmed as canon, most of the EU is canon as well. Hmm alright it may be canon but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone like Vader could do that much.... Besides Malgus could just electrocute Vader for a while and that would kill him as we saw in ROTJ... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:36:02 GMT -5
It is canon, none of it has been overwrited and is confirmed as canon, most of the EU is canon as well. Hmm alright it may be canon but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone like Vader could do that much.... Besides Malgus could just electrocute Vader for a while and that would kill him as we saw in ROTJ... Darth Vader knows how to block lightning. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:37:39 GMT -5
Vader trained under the Emperor himself, an incredibly powerful force user who could make Malgus look like a child, Darth Vader is almost as powerful as him and learns techniques from Palpatine and Palpatine knows many of the ancient Sith techniques, he probably passed a few onto Vader. Giving Vader the edge in force powers.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:43:48 GMT -5
Vader can use the light side and the darkside, Malgus only knows the darkside. Vader also possess force deflection, any advantage Malgus has in force is instantly nullified because Vader can deflect force with his hands. So Vader can use one hand to deflect lightning and the other to fight with a saber.
Vader with a severed hand took Galen Marek's extremely powerful Force Lightning and the full power of two lightning Pylons, on Kamino and just knelt down, with steam coming off of him, about an hour later he seemed fine when Marek talked with him.
This debunks the idea that he has a weakness to Force Lightning, this was uncovered to be just an assumption, when he was killed by Darth Sidious, he was taking at point-blank range the most powerful Force Lightning ever, what is most impressive is that he picked up Sidious, threw him down the reactor shaft and managed to survive, unaided by his life-sustaining rage, and made it all the way from the Throne Room in the Observation tower, to the shuttle bay of the Death Star II, a moon-sized Battlestation.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2014 12:51:49 GMT -5
Hmm alright it may be canon but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone like Vader could do that much.... Besides Malgus could just electrocute Vader for a while and that would kill him as we saw in ROTJ... Darth Vader knows how to block lightning. Malgus know how to block Vader's attacks... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:53:25 GMT -5
Darth Vader knows how to block lightning. Malgus know how to block Vader's attacks... I'm not saying he can't, but Vader would eventually overpower Malgus. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 2, 2014 13:05:25 GMT -5
Malgus know how to block Vader's attacks... I'm not saying he can't, but Vader would eventually overpower Malgus. Luke overpowered Vader. I don't see why Malgus couldn't either. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 13:08:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying he can't, but Vader would eventually overpower Malgus. Luke overpowered Vader. I don't see why Malgus couldn't either. Luke overpowered Vader because Vader was holding back, he was his father after all and when Luke tapped into his rage, he could overpower Vader because Vader wasn't giving it his all. Also , Luke is very powerful , defeating a Sith Lord after a few years of training is a remarkable feat. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2014 15:44:57 GMT -5
I'd say Vader, but I believe that unlike Vader Malgus can use force lightning and we all know how effective that is against Vader... So my vote is for Malgus.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 15:54:59 GMT -5
I'd say Vader, but I believe that unlike Vader Malgus can use force lightning and we all know how effective that is against Vader... So my vote is for Malgus. Ahem! I quote myself from earlier: Also Vader can use Kinetite:  He can also deflect and or block Force Lightning |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:13:16 GMT -5
I'd say Vader, but I believe that unlike Vader Malgus can use force lightning and we all know how effective that is against Vader... So my vote is for Malgus. Ahem! I quote myself from earlier: Also Vader can use Kinetite: He can also deflect and or block Force Lightning That's a Video game though in reality lightning destroys electrical systems like Vaders Life support. Vader should have easily died from that. Anyone should have died from that actually. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:17:51 GMT -5
Ahem! I quote myself from earlier: Also Vader can use Kinetite: He can also deflect and or block Force Lightning That's a Video game though in reality lightning destroys electrical systems like Vaders Life support. Vader should have easily died from that. Anyone should have died from that actually. Video games are considered canon. And Palpatine's lightning is very powerful, and Vader survived that and Malgus' lightning would pale in comparison to Sidious'. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:18:59 GMT -5
Like other people have said I don't really know a lot about Malgus but I definitely think he'd beat Vader. Vader isn't exactly that powerful in his suit. Malgus comes from the Old Republic era and is used to war and fighting while Vader rarely sees combat. Plus Malgus is a war leader and tactician he probably has fought countless Jedi and soldiers in combat where as Vader probably at least in his suit has not fought half the battles he has. Plus Malgus has fought in a REAL war. Droids vs Clones isn't the greatest example of a War. A bunch of disposable soldiers vs a bunch of mindless droids. Absolutely nothing at stake. Where as Malgus fights in a war with real enemy's and much more at stake in a galactic conflict. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:19:39 GMT -5
We're also forgetting that Vader in his suit has about 80% of Palpatine's power. I highly doubt Malgus is anywhere near that, probably about 50%.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:21:00 GMT -5
Like other people have said I don't really know a lot about Malgus but I definitely think he'd beat Vader. Vader isn't exactly that powerful in his suit. Malgus comes from the Old Republic era and is used to war and fighting while Vader rarely sees combat. Plus Malgus is a war leader and tactician he probably has fought countless Jedi and soldiers in combat where as Vader probably at least in his suit has not fought half the battles he has. Plus Malgus has fought in a REAL war. Droids vs Clones isn't the greatest example of a War. A bunch of disposable soldiers vs a bunch of mindless droids. Absolutely nothing at stake. Where as Malgus fights in a war with real enemy's and much more at stake in a galactic conflict. Malgus' feats were accomplished with the assistance of Sith troopers, sith apprentices, dark jedi and bounty hunters. When Vader killed Jedi, he usually had little or no assistance. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:21:36 GMT -5
That's a Video game though in reality lightning destroys electrical systems like Vaders Life support. Vader should have easily died from that. Anyone should have died from that actually. Video games are considered canon. And Palpatine's lightning is very powerful, and Vader survived that and Malgus' lightning would pale in comparison to Sidious'. That scene goes against logic though. And Vader didnt survive Palpatines lightning he was dying right after. Luke managed too drag him down where he said "Nothing could stop his death now" or something. It's even stated in a book not sure which one that his weakness would be force lightning. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:23:14 GMT -5
Video games are considered canon. And Palpatine's lightning is very powerful, and Vader survived that and Malgus' lightning would pale in comparison to Sidious'. That scene goes against logic though. And Vader didnt survive Palpatines lightning he was dying right after. Luke managed too drag him down where he said "Nothing could stop his death now" or something. It's even stated in a book not sure which one that his weakness would be force lightning. However he could have survived and went on the ship with Luke but he didn't. Vader managed to make it from the EMperor's throne room all the way to the main hangar, that's a pretty long way so we know Vader can withstand lightning. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:24:12 GMT -5
Plus Malgus is a war leader and tactician he probably has fought countless Jedi and soldiers in combat where as Vader probably at least in his suit has not fought half the battles he has. Plus Malgus has fought in a REAL war. Droids vs Clones isn't the greatest example of a War. A bunch of disposable soldiers vs a bunch of mindless droids. Absolutely nothing at stake. Where as Malgus fights in a war with real enemy's and much more at stake in a galactic conflict. Malgus' feats were accomplished with the assistance of Sith troopers, sith apprentices, dark jedi and bounty hunters. When Vader killed Jedi, he usually had little or no assistance. The entire 501st legion destroying Temple is not any help at all...... |
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