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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 13:15:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the Geonosis Arena (Official Star Wars character duel thread). The purpose is to pit 2 characters against each other in a duel to the death. Of course in some situations it would be impossible to decide a winner just by discussion so what we will do is have discussion for 3 days and on the 4th day will be a vote open to decide the ultimate winner. In the discussion time whatever side you choose it will be your job to defend it and convince the other side why you think your character would win. Rules and Extras- This is a 1 on 1 fight meaning characters that are duelling can not receive outside help of any kind (droids, Clones,etc) unless it is stated before hand in certain cases.
- The combatants can only use what weapons we know they have from canon SW sources but no ships or vehicles of any kind. In some cases there may be restrictions on weapons or only a set amount of weapons will be aloud in the current duel.
- In the discussion let us try to use sources for the Movies and TCW first but that's not too say that you can't use a EU source but it must be canon most of the 2003 TCW isn't canon anymore. In some cases there may be a character from the EU than it's okay.
- Again most battles will be 1vs1 but in some cases we could have a free for all scenario or small team based battles.
- The battle ground will always be the Geonosis arena since it's a neutral environment and gives no distinct advantages too anyone if the battle location is taking place somewhere else it will be stated in the 2nd post where all the battle briefings will take place.
- The winners of each battle will be recorded in the 3rd post and at the end of the season (perhaps 8 battles which is 4-5weeks) we will pit all the winners into a free for all to decide a grand champion for that season.
- The same character will never appear twice in the same season but that's not to say they can't come back in a later season against a different opponent . Recycling characters may eventually need to happen depending on how successful this is.
- Please check the 2nd post of this thread every at the start of every week to find out who won the last one and who the next Combatants are.
- Voting will always be on the 6th day and voting will be kept private on voting day. You get a full 24 hours too vote and on the 7th day the vote will be made public so everyone can see it.
- Battles will not always be force users. There will be non force user battles and even Force users vs non force users./li]
And remember everyone is entitled too his or her own opinions. Sometimes discussions can get a bit heated so I would like everyone too remind someone if things start getting out of hand too just calm down. You are not forced to take a side if everyone chooses one character right from the start then I guess it will be a slow week though even if you stay neutral for most of the debates it is encouraged you vote on day 6. Also once a battle is over and decided and the next one starts you may no longer continue discussing that duel in this thread you must move to the next battle I will make a separate thread to discuss pass battles if it's necessary later. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 13:16:19 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 13:16:44 GMT -5
Season 1- Mace Windu vs Count Dooku --- Winner: Dooku 60%-40%
- Asajj Ventress vs Darth Maul --- Winner: Maul 83.33% - 16.66%
- Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus --- Winner: Malgus 58.33% -41.67%
- Jango Fett vs Cad Bane --- Winner:Cad Bane 75%-25%
- Delta Squad vs Bounty team --- Winner: Delta Squad75%-25%
- Yoda vs Darth Plagueis --- Winner Yoda57.14%-42.86%
- Ahsoka vs Savage --- Winner Ahsoka66.67%-33.33%
- Anakin vs Obi-Wan ---- Winner:Obi-Wan 80%-20%
Season 2- CW hunters vs ESB hunters --- Winner: Draw 50%
- Ventress vs Aurra Sing ---- Winner: Ventress75%-25%
- Darth Maul vs Darth Malak --- Winner Malak80%-20%
- Qui-Gon vs Satele Shan --- Winner Satele Shan80%-20%
- Millennium Falcon vs Slave 1 --- Winner Slave 1 83.33% - 16.66%
- Pong Krell vs Obi - Wan ---- Winner Tied50%
Season 3 - Anakin and Qui Gon vs Obi Wan and Dooku ---- Winner Obi Wan and Dooku75%-25%
- Jango and Bane vs Boba and Embo --- WinnerJango and Bane75%-25%
- Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ventress --- Winner Ventress66.67%-33.33%
- Revan vs Yoda --- Winner Revan75%-25%
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 13:19:43 GMT -5
So what does everyone think of the idea? I encourage everyone to read through the first post and all rules. What do you guys think of the voting and seasons? And suggestions would be helpful but don't suggest battle ideas here in the thread please suggest them via PM if you want too share with me. I will have the 1st battle up soon but I already have a battle in mind so probably won't use suggestions this time.
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SW Duels ~
Dec 24, 2013 13:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by Star on Dec 24, 2013 13:21:00 GMT -5
This is pretty cool. And I have some ideas. I'll PM then to you.
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 13:42:07 GMT -5
The first battle will be up in about 2 hours.
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Post by Potato on Dec 24, 2013 13:56:10 GMT -5
I think this is a really good idea but I don't think the discussion should last for five days, that's a bit too long. I'd say only like two days for discussion, 3 tops.
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 14:03:44 GMT -5
I think this is a really good idea but I don't think the discussion should last for five days, that's a bit too long. I'd say only like two days for discussion, 3 tops. Yeah that's the thing as well that's the problem. But we would just blaze through characters really fast with only 2 day discussions and we would end up using a lot of characters over again. I don't know I guess we could try five days. People are still discussing Savage and Grievous though, |
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Post by Potato on Dec 24, 2013 14:27:32 GMT -5
I think this is a really good idea but I don't think the discussion should last for five days, that's a bit too long. I'd say only like two days for discussion, 3 tops. Yeah that's the thing as well that's the problem. But we would just blaze through characters really fast with only 2 day discussions and we would end up using a lot of characters over again. I don't know I guess we could try five days. People are still discussing Savage and Grievous though, The Savage and Grievous thing only lasted about 3 days, and now we're sort of slowing down with that because we've talked about all we can. If you give 3 days per battle with the last day to vote I think that would work best. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 14:30:16 GMT -5
Yeah that's the thing as well that's the problem. But we would just blaze through characters really fast with only 2 day discussions and we would end up using a lot of characters over again. I don't know I guess we could try five days. People are still discussing Savage and Grievous though, The Savage and Grievous thing only lasted about 3 days, and now we're sort of slowing down with that because we've talked about all we can. If you give 3 days per battle with the last day to vote I think that would work best. Okay then ill probably do 8 battles in a season the winners will fight in FFA. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 15:54:52 GMT -5
The first duel is now up. Someone suggested this in a PM and I thought it was a good close matchup to use for the first official duel. I think it's a close one for sure. Though I had too get this up now since I'm going to be gone for most of the night at family's for Christmas Eve. I'll be able to discuss myself later though I don't really know who I would pick...
Discussion is 3 days but maybe 4 since it's Christmas tomorrow.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 24, 2013 15:55:12 GMT -5
Dooku.
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 15:57:08 GMT -5
Uhh I don't know Dooku sure is skilled in lightsaber combat but Windu was able to keep up with Palpatine as well. Dooku also did well against Yoda though. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 24, 2013 15:58:38 GMT -5
Cool matchup and I'd say Dooku, Yoda said himself that the only two Jedi duelists that defeated Mace were Dooku and Yoda, although this may be different at the time of Episode 3, I still believe Dooku has the upperhand with his mastery of Makashi and even though Vapaad feeds of Dark Side energy, Dooku is just arrogant and isn't actually very evil and is merely a Jedi who lost his faith in the Order.
Although Mace managed to defeat Sidious , The only reason Mace even held off Palpatine was because Sidious had lots of Darkside energy for Mace to draw upon, I don't think this would be the same with Dooku, who isn't as powerful as Sidious.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 24, 2013 15:58:49 GMT -5
Uhh I don't know Dooku sure is skilled in lightsaber combat but Windu was able to keep up with Palpatine as well. Dooku also did well against Yoda though. I think we've discussed this before but I'm sure Palpatine could have killed Windu if he wanted to do so. And Dooku did very well against Yoda and Obi-wan and Anakin combined were no match for him. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 16:03:41 GMT -5
Uhh I don't know Dooku sure is skilled in lightsaber combat but Windu was able to keep up with Palpatine as well. Dooku also did well against Yoda though. I think we've discussed this before but I'm sure Palpatine could have killed Windu if he wanted to do so. And Dooku did very well against Yoda and Obi-wan and Anakin combined were no match for him. But I don't even think Kenobi was a Jedi master at that time and Anakin was a reckless apprentice that let his anger get the better of him. Yoda probably could have best Dooku though if the fight played out. I would say the episode 3 duel Anakin and Obi Wan where a match for Dooku's own strength. Plus you got to consider Mace Windu has his own lightsaber form being Vaapaad which uses quick attacks that feed off dark side power. Sure Dooku isn't as dark as Palpatine but he still is pretty dark. I think the battle would last a very long time seeing that it would most likely be a long lightsaber duel but I think Dooku's age would get the better of him eventually. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 16:07:36 GMT -5
Cool matchup and I'd say Dooku, Yoda said himself that the only two Jedi duelists that defeated Mace were Dooku and Yoda, although this may be different at the time of Episode 3, I still believe Dooku has the upperhand with his mastery of Makashi and even though Vapaad feeds of Dark Side energy, Dooku is just arrogant and isn't actually very evil and is merely a Jedi who lost his faith in the Order. Although Mace managed to defeat Sidious , The only reason Mace even held off Palpatine was because Sidious had lots of Darkside energy for Mace to draw upon, I don't think this would be the same with Dooku, who isn't as powerful as Sidious. Vaapaad would be able too counter Makashi I would believe it's only real weakness is the dark side getting into the user too much. Mace was the only one able to master it. Makashi is a very good defensive and offensive form though. But Mace could also switch his form he mastered a few of them he was the battlemaster after all. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 24, 2013 16:09:47 GMT -5
I think we've discussed this before but I'm sure Palpatine could have killed Windu if he wanted to do so. And Dooku did very well against Yoda and Obi-wan and Anakin combined were no match for him. But I don't even think Kenobi was a Jedi master at that time and Anakin was a reckless apprentice that let his anger get the better of him. Yoda probably could have best Dooku though if the fight played out. I would say the episode 3 duel Anakin and Obi Wan where a match for Dooku's own strength. Plus you got to consider Mace Windu has his own lightsaber form being Vaapaad which uses quick attacks that feed off dark side power. Sure Dooku isn't as dark as Palpatine but he still is pretty dark. I think the battle would last a very long time seeing that it would most likely be a long lightsaber duel but I think Dooku's age would get the better of him eventually. Age is unimportant for Jedi/Sith apparently. Just look at Palpatine, despite his age he was more agile than Maul and Savage. And I don't think lightsaber techniques feeding on the darkside are canon. |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 24, 2013 16:10:34 GMT -5
Hmm... Mace did hold of Sidious quite well so Dooku shouldn't be a problem
Dooku is also an older man..
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 24, 2013 16:17:58 GMT -5
Cool matchup and I'd say Dooku, Yoda said himself that the only two Jedi duelists that defeated Mace were Dooku and Yoda, although this may be different at the time of Episode 3, I still believe Dooku has the upperhand with his mastery of Makashi and even though Vapaad feeds of Dark Side energy, Dooku is just arrogant and isn't actually very evil and is merely a Jedi who lost his faith in the Order. Although Mace managed to defeat Sidious , The only reason Mace even held off Palpatine was because Sidious had lots of Darkside energy for Mace to draw upon, I don't think this would be the same with Dooku, who isn't as powerful as Sidious. Vaapaad would be able too counter Makashi I would believe it's only real weakness is the dark side getting into the user too much. Mace was the only one able to master it. Makashi is a very good defensive and offensive form though. But Mace could also switch his form he mastered a few of them he was the battlemaster after all. Since Juyo and Vaapad are similar, I think Kreia's comments on the two forms are relevant: Makashi:"A technique that helps one resist the Force attacks of an enemy, and is also excellent for lightsaber combat. It does more damage, but it leaves you vulnerable to other attacks. Use it against others wielding the Force or lightsabers, but not against anyone else." Juyo/Vaapad: "The user of this form seeks to unbalance you with his erratic attacks. The most chaotic of the lightsaber forms. This form sacrifices much to bolster offense, leaving one exposed to attack by the Force." Makashi, as well as allowing you to fight with lightsabers well also leaves you less vulnerable to Force Attacks so if Mace were to use the force , Dooku would be more prepared. Juyo/Vaapad is more aggressive but leaves you vulnerable to force attacks and we know that Dooku likes using lightning, so a sudden force attack could catch Mace off balance., although Mace can feed off Darkside energy, he is more than capable of being blasted by lightning. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 24, 2013 16:19:49 GMT -5
Hmm... Mace did hold of Sidious quite well so Dooku shouldn't be a problem Dooku is also an older man.. That is only because Sidious has vast amounts of Darkside energy, that fight could have lasted a very long time if it weren't for Anakin and Palpatine trying to play the victim near the end. Dooku probably has less darkside energy and has actually managed to best Windu before and remember Yoda is 900 years old and he is still in good shape, Sidious is also quite old and is very agile. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 16:47:01 GMT -5
But I don't even think Kenobi was a Jedi master at that time and Anakin was a reckless apprentice that let his anger get the better of him. Yoda probably could have best Dooku though if the fight played out. I would say the episode 3 duel Anakin and Obi Wan where a match for Dooku's own strength. Plus you got to consider Mace Windu has his own lightsaber form being Vaapaad which uses quick attacks that feed off dark side power. Sure Dooku isn't as dark as Palpatine but he still is pretty dark. I think the battle would last a very long time seeing that it would most likely be a long lightsaber duel but I think Dooku's age would get the better of him eventually. Age is unimportant for Jedi/Sith apparently. Just look at Palpatine, despite his age he was more agile than Maul and Savage. And I don't think lightsaber techniques feeding on the darkside are canon. It's canon because Mace actually used his Vaapaad against Sidious. The 7 lightsaber forms are of course canon Shi Cho, Soresu, Ataru, Makashi, Juyo/ Vaapaad, Djem So, Nimam. Vaapaad is a darker form of Juyo it relies on ones own dark energy to feed off of for quick aggressive attacks it's strongest against sith, And I do think age still matters. Palpatine was using Ataru in that fight which is common for anyone with 2 sabers (Ahsoka, Aalya, Ventress) Ataru is a agile form plus I don't think Dooku is nearly as powerful as Sidious though I think he would still get tired faster. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 16:49:53 GMT -5
Vaapaad would be able too counter Makashi I would believe it's only real weakness is the dark side getting into the user too much. Mace was the only one able to master it. Makashi is a very good defensive and offensive form though. But Mace could also switch his form he mastered a few of them he was the battlemaster after all. Since Juyo and Vaapad are similar, I think Kreia's comments on the two forms are relevant: Makashi:"A technique that helps one resist the Force attacks of an enemy, and is also excellent for lightsaber combat. It does more damage, but it leaves you vulnerable to other attacks. Use it against others wielding the Force or lightsabers, but not against anyone else." Juyo/Vaapad: "The user of this form seeks to unbalance you with his erratic attacks. The most chaotic of the lightsaber forms. This form sacrifices much to bolster offense, leaving one exposed to attack by the Force." Makashi, as well as allowing you to fight with lightsabers well also leaves you less vulnerable to Force Attacks so if Mace were to use the force , Dooku would be more prepared. Juyo/Vaapad is more aggressive but leaves you vulnerable to force attacks and we know that Dooku likes using lightning, so a sudden force attack could catch Mace off balance., although Mace can feed off Darkside energy, he is more than capable of being blasted by lightning. Perhaps but Mace also learned Shatterpoint a ability which is able too see weakness in a enemy and be able too exploit it. I got to go would love to continue this but parents are calling me now..,, |
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Post by bane on Dec 24, 2013 16:56:27 GMT -5
Mace Windu uses Vapad, which is very demanding but very hard to defend from. He didn't have much of a problem against Sidious, so I doubt Dooku would last long against him. It would help that He uses Makeshi, though. (sorry I don't know how to spell that)
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Post by Potato on Dec 24, 2013 16:58:04 GMT -5
I think I'd say Mace. Anakin beat Dooku, and although that was because he was relying on his hatred and he caught Dooku off guard, Mace uses Vaapad and that's a darker lightsaber form. As Dooku grows older he loses strength, so maybe while he was on the jedi council he could beat Mace but since he's old I'd say Mace would win. It'd be extremely close though.
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 24, 2013 17:07:28 GMT -5
Dooku could definitely match Windu in lightsaber ability, and could probably surpass him in force abilities, since Juyo/Vapaad leaves you vulnerable to force attacks (shown in Episode 3 when Sidious attacks Windu with lightining) , Dooku could suddenly unleash a barrage of Force Lightning and could deal some serious damage.
Dooku managed to hold off Yoda, who was extremely agile, so Windu would be no problem furthermore, we know that Sidious is somewhat wary about Dooku's powers.
Even in a brief fight ( like with the one with Palpatine) Windu can tire, towards the end of the fight with Sidious he knew he could not defeat Palpatine and was relying on Anakin to help him.
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Post by bane on Dec 24, 2013 17:16:51 GMT -5
Dooku could definitely match Windu in lightsaber ability, and could probably surpass him in force abilities, since Juyo/Vapaad leaves you vulnerable to force attacks (shown in Episode 3 when Sidious attacks Windu with lightining) , Dooku could suddenly unleash a barrage of Force Lightning and could deal some serious damage. Dooku managed to hold off Yoda, who was extremely agile, so Windu would be no problem furthermore, we know that Sidious is somewhat wary about Dooku's powers. Even in a brief fight ( like with the one with Palpatine) Windu can tire, towards the end of the fight with Sidious he knew he could not defeat Palpatine and was relying on Anakin to help him. The only reason the lightning worked was because Mace just lost his lightsaber, his only means of defence against something like that... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 24, 2013 17:20:00 GMT -5
Dooku could definitely match Windu in lightsaber ability, and could probably surpass him in force abilities, since Juyo/Vapaad leaves you vulnerable to force attacks (shown in Episode 3 when Sidious attacks Windu with lightining) , Dooku could suddenly unleash a barrage of Force Lightning and could deal some serious damage. Dooku managed to hold off Yoda, who was extremely agile, so Windu would be no problem furthermore, we know that Sidious is somewhat wary about Dooku's powers. Even in a brief fight ( like with the one with Palpatine) Windu can tire, towards the end of the fight with Sidious he knew he could not defeat Palpatine and was relying on Anakin to help him. The only reason the lightning worked was because Mace just lost his lightsaber, his only means of defence against something like that... No I mean when Windu was blocking the lightning (from the ROTS book) he says to Anakin "He is too strong for me", therefore admitting that he couldn't have held off Sidious' lightning for much longer anyway. Also, lightning can be used to great effect against Vaapad practitioners, Dooku easily incapacitated Sora Bulq with lightning, who was skilled in the form. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 24, 2013 17:42:25 GMT -5
Dooku could definitely match Windu in lightsaber ability, and could probably surpass him in force abilities, since Juyo/Vapaad leaves you vulnerable to force attacks (shown in Episode 3 when Sidious attacks Windu with lightining) , Dooku could suddenly unleash a barrage of Force Lightning and could deal some serious damage. Dooku managed to hold off Yoda, who was extremely agile, so Windu would be no problem furthermore, we know that Sidious is somewhat wary about Dooku's powers. Even in a brief fight ( like with the one with Palpatine) Windu can tire, towards the end of the fight with Sidious he knew he could not defeat Palpatine and was relying on Anakin to help him. The only reason the lightning worked was because Mace just lost his lightsaber, his only means of defence against something like that... Sidious was overpowering Windu with his lightning even when he had his saber. But then he pretended he got tired and gave up. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 24, 2013 19:19:57 GMT -5
I think Sidious actually would have had some serious life damage done to himself if he actually continued using his lightning. The pretend he was tired was probably his last resort. It's unrealistic to think Sidious wouldn't have killed himself. He nearly killed Luke with lightning and he was 3x as far away from him. As he was with his own in ROTS.
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 