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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:25:31 GMT -5
That scene goes against logic though. And Vader didnt survive Palpatines lightning he was dying right after. Luke managed too drag him down where he said "Nothing could stop his death now" or something. It's even stated in a book not sure which one that his weakness would be force lightning. However he could have survived and went on the ship with Luke but he didn't. Vader managed to make it from the EMperor's throne room all the way to the main hangar, that's a pretty long way so we know Vader can withstand lightning. How is that a long way? That's probably like 5 minutes it was the Emperors and Vaders personal shuttle it would be a hanger relatively close too the throne room probably just down the elevator.... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:26:53 GMT -5
Malgus' feats were accomplished with the assistance of Sith troopers, sith apprentices, dark jedi and bounty hunters. When Vader killed Jedi, he usually had little or no assistance. The entire 501st legion destroying Temple is not any help at all...... I said usually. Obviously he had help there but at the Conclave on Kessel he killed them all (most Jedi Masters) with no assistance |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:27:14 GMT -5
However he could have survived and went on the ship with Luke but he didn't. Vader managed to make it from the EMperor's throne room all the way to the main hangar, that's a pretty long way so we know Vader can withstand lightning. How is that a long way? That's probably like 5 minutes it was the Emperors and Vaders personal shuttle it would be a hanger relatively close too the throne room probably just down the elevator.... Death Star is a moon sized space station |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:29:22 GMT -5
We're also forgetting that Vader in his suit has about 80% of Palpatine's power. I highly doubt Malgus is anywhere near that, probably about 50%. He can use force push? That's about it in a open arena. He can't throw objects or anything which makes Jodos video also false about Malgus not using objects too his advantage. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:32:09 GMT -5
We're also forgetting that Vader in his suit has about 80% of Palpatine's power. I highly doubt Malgus is anywhere near that, probably about 50%. He can use force push? That's about it in a open arena. He can't throw objects or anything which makes Jodos video also false about Malgus not using objects too his advantage. Darth Vader can resist force push like most skilled force users can. Vader can use force push on Malgus, perhaps even Force Wave. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:32:51 GMT -5
How is that a long way? That's probably like 5 minutes it was the Emperors and Vaders personal shuttle it would be a hanger relatively close too the throne room probably just down the elevator.... Death Star is a moon sized space station So you're saying the Emperor has his personal escape shuttle on the other side of the station? Not likely it was probably down the elevator take the hallway to the left and you're there..... I doubt Vader would tell the driver to park the shuttle on the other side of the station as he takes Luke to see the emperor it makes no sense at all. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:34:13 GMT -5
Death Star is a moon sized space station So you're saying the Emperor has his personal escape shuttle on the other side of the station? Not likely it was probably down the elevator take the hallway to the left and you're there..... I doubt Vader would tell the driver to park the shuttle on the other side of the station as he takes Luke to see the emperor it makes no sense at all. But it would take some time, I'd say at least 20 minutes or even a half an hour. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:37:25 GMT -5
So you're saying the Emperor has his personal escape shuttle on the other side of the station? Not likely it was probably down the elevator take the hallway to the left and you're there..... I doubt Vader would tell the driver to park the shuttle on the other side of the station as he takes Luke to see the emperor it makes no sense at all. But it would take some time, I'd say at least 20 minutes or even a half an hour. Umm I'd say 5 minutes MAX it's turbo lift wouldn't take long.. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:39:39 GMT -5
But it would take some time, I'd say at least 20 minutes or even a half an hour. Umm I'd say 5 minutes MAX it's turbo lift wouldn't take long.. You'd still have to walk a fair distance. Anyway, the lightning was not a direct cause of Vader's death and 5 minutes would be pretty good against the most powerful lightning ever which can turn objects into ash. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:44:13 GMT -5
Summary of why I think Vader wins:
Vader has much more endurance than Malgus, lightning would be ineffective against him and Vader is a master at lightsaber combat. Vader's powers almost rival that of the Emperor's and Vader has a brilliant knowledge of force powers. Plus, Vader has bested many Jedi Masters without assistance notably at the Conclave on Kessel.
Vader bested Cin Drallig without any assistance, a blademaster. Darth Vader knows powers that Malgus probably doesn't even know of. Vader's master was better than Malgus' so he would have obtained extensive knowledge of the darkside. Vader has also good knowledge of the lightside and therefore can use both sides to his advantage.
Malgus's telekinesis is pitiful next to Vader, who has crumbled cathedrals, thrown around ships, knocked over trees of gargantuan stature, crushed enormous droids, and so on. And Malgus really has nothing else in terms of Force Power over Vader, in fact, Vader destroys him in a Force battle also.
Malgus has only defeated rather unskilled Jedi, the jedi in the Jedi Temple when Malgus attacked were mostly padawans. Malgus did fight Staele Shan, but Stalele was trained as a consular and wasn't trained much in lightsaber combat.
Vader's vulnerability to lightning is greatly exaggerated and he was able to endure many blasts of lightning. Malgus' lightning probably pales in comparison to Sidious', which didn't kill Vader, Sidious' lightning was not a direct cause for Vader's death. He died because his mask was removed.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:53:16 GMT -5
Summary of why I think Vader wins:Vader has much more endurance than Malgus, lightning would be ineffective against him and Vader is a master at lightsaber combat. Vader's powers almost rival that of the Emperor's and Vader has a brilliant knowledge of force powers. Plus, Vader has bested many Jedi Masters without assistance notably at the Conclave on Kessel. Vader bested Cin Drallig without any assistance, a blademaster. Darth Vader knows powers that Malgus probably doesn't even know of. Vader's master was better than Malgus' so he would have obtained extensive knowledge of the darkside. Vader has also good knowledge of the lightside and therefore can use both sides to his advantage. Malgus's telekinesis is pitiful next to Vader, who has crumbled cathedrals, thrown around ships, knocked over trees of gargantuan stature, crushed enormous droids, and so on. And Malgus really has nothing else in terms of Force Power over Vader, in fact, Vader destroys him in a Force battle also. Malgus has only defeated rather unskilled Jedi, the jedi in the Jedi Temple when Malgus attacked were mostly padawans. Malgus did fight Staele Shan, but Stalele was trained as a consular and wasn't trained much in lightsaber combat. Vader's vulnerability to lightning is greatly exaggerated and he was able to endure many blasts of lightning. Malgus' lightning probably pales in comparison to Sidious', which didn't kill Vader, Sidious' lightning was not a direct cause for Vader's death. He died because his mask was removed. Malgus killed Ven Zallow with no assistance same as Cin Dralig basically. Malgus best Shan in about 5 seconds in their first duel she survived cause her master threw his saber. Malgus would have killed much more in his conquests since he was the leader of most major assaults. Malgus if anything would have powers Vader never seen he lived 3000 years before him nothin changed much.... And if you really want too use video games Malgus uses Unbreakable will which kills everything around him (yeah overpowered isn't if same as Vader surviving lightning which nobody would survive light pylons directed at them) Vader has nothing too throw in a open arena. Malgus seems physically stronger than Vader he kicked Zallow across the room with ease. Malgus is more flexible too. And I don't see how Vader has more endurance he can t move that much. Malgus is probably smarter than Vader as well. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:55:11 GMT -5
Summary of why I think Vader wins:Vader has much more endurance than Malgus, lightning would be ineffective against him and Vader is a master at lightsaber combat. Vader's powers almost rival that of the Emperor's and Vader has a brilliant knowledge of force powers. Plus, Vader has bested many Jedi Masters without assistance notably at the Conclave on Kessel. Vader bested Cin Drallig without any assistance, a blademaster. Darth Vader knows powers that Malgus probably doesn't even know of. Vader's master was better than Malgus' so he would have obtained extensive knowledge of the darkside. Vader has also good knowledge of the lightside and therefore can use both sides to his advantage. Malgus's telekinesis is pitiful next to Vader, who has crumbled cathedrals, thrown around ships, knocked over trees of gargantuan stature, crushed enormous droids, and so on. And Malgus really has nothing else in terms of Force Power over Vader, in fact, Vader destroys him in a Force battle also. Malgus has only defeated rather unskilled Jedi, the jedi in the Jedi Temple when Malgus attacked were mostly padawans. Malgus did fight Staele Shan, but Stalele was trained as a consular and wasn't trained much in lightsaber combat. Vader's vulnerability to lightning is greatly exaggerated and he was able to endure many blasts of lightning. Malgus' lightning probably pales in comparison to Sidious', which didn't kill Vader, Sidious' lightning was not a direct cause for Vader's death. He died because his mask was removed. Malgus killed Ven Zallow with no assistance same as Cin Dralig basically. Malgus best Shan in about 5 seconds in their first duel she survived cause her master threw his saber. Malgus would have killed much more in his conquests since he was the leader of most major assaults. Malgus if anything would have powers Vader never seen he lived 3000 years before him nothin changed much.... And if you really want too use video games Malgus uses Unbreakable will which kills everything around him (yeah overpowered isn't if same as Vader surviving lightning which nobody would survive light pylons directed at them) Vader has nothing too throw in a open arena. Malgus seems physically stronger than Vader he kicked Zallow across the room with ease. Malgus is more flexible too. And I don't see how Vader has more endurance he can t move that much. Malgus is probably smarter than Vader as well. Vader has survived numerous life threatening injuries also Palpatine is said to have known every ancient sith ability, he could have passed the Unbreakable Will down onto Vader. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 16:57:47 GMT -5
No it was Unbreakable rage or unlimited power all I know is it kills all 4 of you instantly.....
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:58:18 GMT -5
Malgus' Unbreakable Will power is not as absurd as surviving lightning. Vader survived the lightning because of the force, The Force can keep yo ufrom dying.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 16:59:43 GMT -5
No it was Unbreakable rage or unlimited power all I know is it kills all 4 of you instantly..... Actually I think that was Force Lightning. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2014 17:01:49 GMT -5
I don't consider the battles in TFU canon as they're highly exaggerated. It's maybe even worse than CW 2003.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:02:18 GMT -5
Sidious > Malgus so.....
Since Vader is 80% of Sidious' powers, which isn't that much less.
Vader>Malgus
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:04:02 GMT -5
I don't consider the battles in TFU canon as they're highly exaggerated. It's maybe even worse than CW 2003. Even if you don't consider that canon. Vader survived Sidious' lightning which is the most powerful ever and can turn objects into ash. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2014 17:04:39 GMT -5
I don't consider the battles in TFU canon as they're highly exaggerated. It's maybe even worse than CW 2003. Even if you don't consider that canon. Vader survived Sidious' lightning which is the most powerful ever and can turn objects into ash. When did he survive Sidious's lightning? It killed him in ROTJ. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:06:21 GMT -5
Even if you don't consider that canon. Vader survived Sidious' lightning which is the most powerful ever and can turn objects into ash. When did he survive Sidious's lightning? It killed him in ROTJ. No it didn't. Luke removing the mask killed him not the lightning |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2014 17:07:26 GMT -5
When did he survive Sidious's lightning? It killed him in ROTJ. No it didn't. Luke removing the mask killed him not the lightning He was already dying from the lightning. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:08:46 GMT -5
No it didn't. Luke removing the mask killed him not the lightning He was already dying from the lightning. However the lightning wasn't the only contributing factor to his death |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2014 17:12:06 GMT -5
He was already dying from the lightning. However the lightning wasn't the only contributing factor to his death Vader: "Luke, help me take this mask off." Luke: "But you'll die." Vader: "Nothing can stop that now." Even with his mask on he would have died from the lightning. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:13:07 GMT -5
However the lightning wasn't the only contributing factor to his death Vader: "Luke, help me take this mask off." Luke: "But you'll die." Vader: "Nothing can stop that now." Even with his mask on he would have died from the lightning. Well, after getting your hand chopped off you would go into shock anyway, I'd say that was also a factor. Plus, Vader surviving the lightning for that long proves that he is very strong and has good endurance |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2014 17:14:25 GMT -5
Vader: "Luke, help me take this mask off." Luke: "But you'll die." Vader: "Nothing can stop that now." Even with his mask on he would have died from the lightning. Well, after getting your hand chopped off you would go into shock anyway, I'd say that was also a factor Anakin lost at least 3 hands before... surely losing his fully robotic hand wouldn't have shocked him to dead... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:15:35 GMT -5
Well, after getting your hand chopped off you would go into shock anyway, I'd say that was also a factor Anakin lost at least 3 hands before... surely losing his fully robotic hand wouldn't have shocked him to dead... Anyway, the point is that Vader has excellent endurance to survive the most powerful burst of lightning for so long at point blank range, Palpatine's lightning is very powerful, much more powerful than Malgus'. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 17:38:26 GMT -5
No it was Unbreakable rage or unlimited power all I know is it kills all 4 of you instantly..... Actually I think that was Force Lightning. Nope he a interruptible ability that he would smash and kill you instantly. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:41:33 GMT -5
Actually I think that was Force Lightning. Nope he a interruptible ability that he would smash and kill you instantly. That can be easily interrupted. Anyway, that is more overpowered than all the stuff in TFU and CW series 2003 combined. Something the writers put in to make the character they created unrealistically powerful. And Vader surviving all that lightning is possible with the Force. Vader would be able to block techniques like that since it had been around for thousands of years so someone would have developed a counter for it. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 17:42:50 GMT -5
Nope he a interruptible ability that he would smash and kill you instantly. That can be easily interrupted. Anyway, that is more overpowered than all the stuff in TFU and CW series 2003 combined. Something the writers put in to make the character they created unrealistically powerful. And Vader surviving all that lightning is possible with the Force. Vader would be able to block techniques like that since it had been around for thousands of years so someone would have developed a counter for it. Oh well obviously it's a overpowered game mechanic but everything in video games must be cannon so... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 17:43:47 GMT -5
That can be easily interrupted. Anyway, that is more overpowered than all the stuff in TFU and CW series 2003 combined. Something the writers put in to make the character they created unrealistically powerful. And Vader surviving all that lightning is possible with the Force. Vader would be able to block techniques like that since it had been around for thousands of years so someone would have developed a counter for it. Oh well obviously it's a overpowered game mechanic but everything in video games must be cannon so... I guess but like I said a counter would have been developed for it. |
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