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Post by Namialus on Dec 30, 2013 12:26:11 GMT -5
He is a Sith, but an assassin, not a true Lord. That's why he's always sent by Sidious to do assassination missions and what not - also, think of this - why didn't Maul have a fake identity with which to go out in public? Palpatine and Plagueis did, and so did Dooku (although it was just not revealing he was Sith), but why not Maul? Because Maul was an assassin and that's all he was meant for. When Sidious found Maul as a child, he showed him to Plagueis. Plagueis then allowed his training as a useful assassin. Maul had no fake identity because he was no one before he became Sith. Like you said Sidious found him as a baby, he didn't have a real identity unlike Palpatine, Dooku and Plagueis who only became Sith at a later age. But he still could've created one. Proof that Maul was NOT to be in charge of the CIS: -Had no fake identity. What if someone wanted records of their leader? -Was just an assassin. -Dooku was his replacement, always planned for that, Sidious did. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2013 12:27:11 GMT -5
If Plagueis actually managed too finish his original plan of immortality I would probably say he is top 3 most powerful. Though only one cannon sith he ever achieved immortality so I guess it would be hard to do.
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Post by Star on Dec 30, 2013 12:45:36 GMT -5
Sidious probably wanted Maul for TCW (Maul was at least aware it would occur. We learned that in Revenge) so this means Sidious must've had usues for him in it. (Maybe this is also why he kept Maul alive at the end of Eminence). Dooku, when Sidious knew he was going to turn away from the Jedi, probably just wanted him as a political leader who secretly worked for him, but not as a Sith. But maybe, assuming Maul and Dooku were both alive in TCW, Sidious would've grown fonder of Dooku and preferred him over Maul. If this happened (which I think would've) then Sidious would probably kill Maul (or use his secret use for him like we saw in Eminence). Then Dooku would become the sith that we see in TCW and AOTC and ROTS. Just a theory.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 30, 2013 12:50:57 GMT -5
Sidious probably wanted Maul for TCW (Maul was at least aware it would occur. We learned that in Revenge) so this means Sidious must've had usues for him in it. (Maybe this is also why he kept Maul alive at the end of Eminence). Dooku, when Sidious knew he was going to turn away from the Jedi, probably just wanted him as a political leader who secretly worked for him, but not as a Sith. But maybe, assuming Maul and Dooku were both alive in TCW, Sidious would've grown fonder of Dooku and preferred him over Maul. If this happened (which I think would've) then Sidious would probably kill Maul (or use his secret use for him like we saw in Eminence). Then Dooku would become the sith that we see in TCW and AOTC and ROTS. Just a theory. A secret Sith assassin, perhaps, but not an actual leader. On top of that, countless planets won't band under a Dathomiri - it had to be human. Yes, racism even exists in Star Wars. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2013 13:05:30 GMT -5
Sidious probably wanted Maul for TCW (Maul was at least aware it would occur. We learned that in Revenge) so this means Sidious must've had usues for him in it. (Maybe this is also why he kept Maul alive at the end of Eminence). Dooku, when Sidious knew he was going to turn away from the Jedi, probably just wanted him as a political leader who secretly worked for him, but not as a Sith. But maybe, assuming Maul and Dooku were both alive in TCW, Sidious would've grown fonder of Dooku and preferred him over Maul. If this happened (which I think would've) then Sidious would probably kill Maul (or use his secret use for him like we saw in Eminence). Then Dooku would become the sith that we see in TCW and AOTC and ROTS. Just a theory. A secret Sith assassin, perhaps, but not an actual leader. On top of that, countless planets won't band under a Dathomiri - it had to be human. Yes, racism even exists in Star Wars. Yes we know that's why the empire only likes humans and sith in the army. Occasionally Chiss as well. Though I think soldiers would be fine with a Zabrak leading them. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 30, 2013 13:08:34 GMT -5
A secret Sith assassin, perhaps, but not an actual leader. On top of that, countless planets won't band under a Dathomiri - it had to be human. Yes, racism even exists in Star Wars. Yes we know that's why the empire only likes humans and sith in the army. Occasionally Chiss as well. Though I think soldiers would be fine with a Zabrak leading them. Soldiers, yes, but not politicians. Humans are probably the most "dominant" species in the universe. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2013 13:14:16 GMT -5
Yes we know that's why the empire only likes humans and sith in the army. Occasionally Chiss as well. Though I think soldiers would be fine with a Zabrak leading them. Soldiers, yes, but not politicians. Humans are probably the most "dominant" species in the universe. Humans apparently make up 1/3rd of the galaxy I think I read some where. Though there are 1000s of alien species so Humans are probably the most popular. I don't think that ratio included clones though since they can't really be considered real people. |
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Post by bane on Dec 30, 2013 15:47:07 GMT -5
He was a scholar and scientist nothing more. His combat strength was limited he neglected real power. Pit him against anyone and he loses. He was powerful in the Force, far more powerful than Sidious IMO, and he was even more brilliant than Sidious. Sidious is like the lesser version of Plagueis. I agree with that. It seems to me that the only reason Sidious ever managed to defeat Plagueis was because he was intoxicated.  |
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Post by Star on Dec 30, 2013 16:58:48 GMT -5
Sidious probably wanted Maul for TCW (Maul was at least aware it would occur. We learned that in Revenge) so this means Sidious must've had usues for him in it. (Maybe this is also why he kept Maul alive at the end of Eminence). Dooku, when Sidious knew he was going to turn away from the Jedi, probably just wanted him as a political leader who secretly worked for him, but not as a Sith. But maybe, assuming Maul and Dooku were both alive in TCW, Sidious would've grown fonder of Dooku and preferred him over Maul. If this happened (which I think would've) then Sidious would probably kill Maul (or use his secret use for him like we saw in Eminence). Then Dooku would become the sith that we see in TCW and AOTC and ROTS. Just a theory. A secret Sith assassin, perhaps, but not an actual leader. On top of that, countless planets won't band under a Dathomiri - it had to be human. Yes, racism even exists in Star Wars. I think it would've been fine having Maul lead the many systems. It would definitely be better with Dooku, a human, but Maul would still have done well. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2013 17:06:05 GMT -5
From the "Force" only standpoint I don't think Sidious was the strongest. But smartest and maybe most skilled duelist.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 30, 2013 21:14:18 GMT -5
From the "Force" only standpoint I don't think Sidious was the strongest. But smartest and maybe most skilled duelist. Plagueis was the creator of the Grand Plan. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2013 22:17:34 GMT -5
From the "Force" only standpoint I don't think Sidious was the strongest. But smartest and maybe most skilled duelist. Plagueis was the creator of the Grand Plan. Plagueis would fail though. He would never convince Anakin too join him and then Anakin would defeat him. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2013 22:24:44 GMT -5
Well poll is up. Was going too give it another day but people may not be here New Year's Day and this one seems it may be more lopsided than I anticipated.
Poll will auto lock tomorrow at 8PM my time.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 31, 2013 0:07:22 GMT -5
Plagueis was the creator of the Grand Plan. Plagueis would fail though. He would never convince Anakin too join him and then Anakin would defeat him. That's why he had Sidious... And Sidious would've failed in becoming a Senator and then Chancellor without Plagueis. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 31, 2013 4:42:46 GMT -5
From the "Force" only standpoint I don't think Sidious was the strongest. But smartest and maybe most skilled duelist. Plagueis was the creator of the Grand Plan. No it was Sidious. He even manipulated Plagueis. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 31, 2013 12:40:35 GMT -5
Plagueis was the creator of the Grand Plan. No it was Sidious. He even manipulated Plagueis. Nope, Plagueis created it, Sidious executed it. If not for Plagueis, Sidious would not have become Chancellor, and then he did, and then he killed Plagueis. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 1, 2014 1:21:58 GMT -5
Maul won. Next battle up tomorrow morning.
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Post by Newan on Jan 1, 2014 14:50:06 GMT -5
Scratch that tonight now going in 10 minutes too family's for New Year's Day. Sorry for delay... |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2014 11:39:15 GMT -5
Well new one if finally up  I think this match is quite close and both have a lot in common they both fight more with the lightsaber rather than the force (Malgus was meant too be the Vader of TOR) both have bad injuries Vaders being worse cause of the full suit where Malgus only has a respirator but if he takes that off he is still screwed. They both have much experience fighting Jedi. Though I think I may give Malgus the edge since he does not have machines for legs slowing him to be more agile like do flips. Plus Malgus has one advantage and that is a Force Lightning if Malgus gets him open and Vader does not block well... Still it's pretty close. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 11:58:05 GMT -5
Darth Vader wins this hands down, he destroyed the Jedi at the Conclave on Kessel,killing several Jedi Masters and other Jedi. And Darth Vader, although the suit restricts his powers, has more midichlorians than Malgus and is therefore stronger with the force. Also, Vader obviously has more endurance.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:02:14 GMT -5
Vader's form incorporates all of them into one, meaning he has the advantage in lightsaber combat as well.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2014 12:11:10 GMT -5
Malgus.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:12:40 GMT -5
Why? Seeing as how Darth Vader has advantage in lightsaber and possibly force combat, I think Vader takes this |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:14:12 GMT -5
George Lucas stated himself that even Darth Vader in his suit had about 80% of the Emperor's strength.
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Post by Namialus on Jan 2, 2014 12:14:30 GMT -5
I'd have to say Malgus, but please note that I don't know much about him. From what I've seen in the trailers, he is FAR more agile than Vader and isn't so limited by his suit.
Still, I don't know much about Malgus so this discussion won't be as easy.
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Post by Namialus on Jan 2, 2014 12:15:05 GMT -5
George Lucas stated himself that even Darth Vader in his suit had about 80% of the Emperor's strength. 80? Really? |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2014 12:15:30 GMT -5
Why? Seeing as how Darth Vader has advantage in lightsaber and possibly force combat, I think Vader takes this Because he's basically a droid and he can't even run....... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:15:58 GMT -5
George Lucas stated himself that even Darth Vader in his suit had about 80% of the Emperor's strength. 80? Really? "However, after all of his limbs were severed and he was extremely burned on Mustafar he lost much of his Force potential. As Darth Vader, Skywalker was believed to have had roughly 80% of the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful." - George Lucas Go to "Behind the Scenes" on the Wookiepedia Anakin Skywalker page |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2014 12:16:39 GMT -5
George Lucas stated himself that even Darth Vader in his suit had about 80% of the Emperor's strength. 80? Really? What does that even mean.... How do you put your strength in a suit... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 2, 2014 12:19:13 GMT -5
What does that even mean.... How do you put your strength in a suit... The point is that Darth Vader is only slightly less powerful than the Emperor. The suit doesn't exactly hinder his abilities either...  |
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