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Post by Kenbo on Mar 18, 2017 19:05:50 GMT -5
After watching it a few more times I actually really like the "duel"... It was super short but still pretty cool especially if you read more into it. Showing a super long and "flashy" duel would not have matched what we saw in ANH, and all the stuff about Obi-Wan changing forms and whatnot... Also maybe Maul just gave up right after his first swing. He has nothing to live for so maybe he convinced himself that his goal was to kill Kenobi. But then he'd have nothing after that... It's good if you interpret it yourself but they shouldn't make people do too much of that... Without closely analyzing what happened, it's lame and doesn't make a lot of sense. Yeah I noticed the first time Kenobi was reacting and studying him. But on my second watch, the conversation about purpose makes a lot of sense too. Kenobi has one and Maul doesn't. Maul realizes this. Also you can see where he got cut, right after Kenobi closes his eyes it zooms out on his body and his lower right section of his stomach is smoking from the cut, it's just hard to see because it's night. And yes I looked twice to make sure it wasn't the fire lol I don't really care about the wound. I think they could've shown an orange cut but it's just so unique the way they did it... I think showing the wound actually wouldn't fit First time watching, when he went limp after his saber got cut I was like wtf did he give up?  It's growing on me so much... I want to say it's up there with Maul vs Vizsla because of the "deepness" if nothing else |
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Post by Newan on Mar 18, 2017 20:15:08 GMT -5
Yeah I noticed the first time Kenobi was reacting and studying him. But on my second watch, the conversation about purpose makes a lot of sense too. Kenobi has one and Maul doesn't. Maul realizes this. Also you can see where he got cut, right after Kenobi closes his eyes it zooms out on his body and his lower right section of his stomach is smoking from the cut, it's just hard to see because it's night. And yes I looked twice to make sure it wasn't the fire lol I don't really care about the wound. I think they could've shown an orange cut but it's just so unique the way they did it... I think showing the wound actually wouldn't fit First time watching, when he went limp after his saber got cut I was like wtf did he give up? It's growing on me so much... I want to say it's up there with Maul vs Vizsla because of the "deepness" if nothing else Yeah I mean they did that orange gunshot wound a couple weeks ago when that Mandalorian got shot. But when I first watched it, I was expecting a big fight. I really liked how this turned out. "He will avenge us". That was actually a good line and really fits with how Kenobi dies |
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Post by Newan on Mar 18, 2017 20:24:40 GMT -5
I really liked the last moment in the episode too when he goes to check on Luke
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Post by Newan on Mar 18, 2017 20:38:49 GMT -5
Also Stephen Stanton did a good Obi-Wan
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Post by Potato on Mar 18, 2017 20:50:10 GMT -5
They do a really good job of explaining the duel here:
Basically, it's about the conflict behind the duel and not how long or flashy it is. Like others, it's grown on me. I still wish they traded at least a few more blows, but I really do think it's a fitting end for Maul (and I like how Obi-Wan used Qui-Gon's stance and how Maul tried to use the same move he used on Qui-Gon on Obi-Wan).
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 18, 2017 22:04:05 GMT -5
They do a really good job of explaining the duel here: Basically, it's about the conflict behind the duel and not how long or flashy it is. Like others, it's grown on me. I still wish they traded at least a few more blows, but I really do think it's a fitting end for Maul (and I like how Obi-Wan used Qui-Gon's stance and how Maul tried to use the same move he used on Qui-Gon on Obi-Wan). Fucking hate Andy... but whatever.. I don't get why they had to cut all those scenes from this. They could've made it a two parter and take out some other crappy filler episode... if it was going to stray away from the Rebels, just involve them more It would seem someone is making the show not be as good as it could........ |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Mar 18, 2017 23:24:49 GMT -5
But the he will avenge us part doesn't make sense. Maul has never shown resentment towards the empire. Maul shouldn't have been in the series if this is how he died. He left 0 weight and change onto the show. His deep character history is too deep for the target audience to watch and with the lack of things able to be made in Rebels, he never belong in this series. His death was just an excuse to have "closure" yet Maul was hardly in Rebels, changed nothing. TCW though Maul wasn't in most, he affected many characters and added so much weight to the show.
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Post by Newan on Mar 18, 2017 23:42:12 GMT -5
But the he will avenge us part doesn't make sense. Maul has never shown resentment towards the empire. Maul shouldn't have been in the series if this is how he died. He left 0 weight and change onto the show. His deep character history is too deep for the target audience to watch and with the lack of things able to be made in Rebels, he never belong in this series. His death was just an excuse to have "closure" yet Maul was hardly in Rebels, changed nothing. TCW though Maul wasn't in most, he affected many characters and added so much weight to the show. Not the Empire, the Sith. Luke's entire story is around the Sith, not so much the Empire. And Maul has tons of reasons to hate the Sith |
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Post by Potato on Mar 19, 2017 11:09:57 GMT -5
But the he will avenge us part doesn't make sense. Maul has never shown resentment towards the empire. Maul shouldn't have been in the series if this is how he died. He left 0 weight and change onto the show. His deep character history is too deep for the target audience to watch and with the lack of things able to be made in Rebels, he never belong in this series. His death was just an excuse to have "closure" yet Maul was hardly in Rebels, changed nothing. TCW though Maul wasn't in most, he affected many characters and added so much weight to the show. "He will avenge us" meant that Luke will supposedly destroy the Sith. And Maul definitely hates the Sith, he even talked about it in Twilight of the Apprentice. |
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Post by Potato on Mar 19, 2017 11:11:15 GMT -5
Even before Maul was introduced into Rebels, I always thought his story could be best concluded in a standalone movie with Obi-Wan. Now that his story on Rebels is over, I still stand by my thought from before. I think he would have been better suited for a live action movie with Ewan McGregor.
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Post by Newan on Mar 19, 2017 11:21:57 GMT -5
Even before Maul was introduced into Rebels, I always thought his story could be best concluded in a standalone movie with Obi-Wan. Now that his story on Rebels is over, I still stand by my thought from before. I think he would have been better suited for a live action movie with Ewan McGregor. But then they would probably have had some highly choreographed fight which I don't think would have been a good thing. Like DF said they went this route because it gave mkre to the relationship rather then having a long fight which doesn't have much character to it. I mean Anakin vs Obi-Wan looks cool and all but tbh it's 7 minutes of pointless dueling and only the minute before the fight and minute at the end mattered. Though having Ewan as a younger Kenobi like a few years after arriving on Tatooine would make more sense, we have no idea why it took Maul so long, at first he probably assumed Kenobi died in order 66. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 19, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -5
Even before Maul was introduced into Rebels, I always thought his story could be best concluded in a standalone movie with Obi-Wan. Now that his story on Rebels is over, I still stand by my thought from before. I think he would have been better suited for a live action movie with Ewan McGregor. Even though a movie would totally work and it would be cool, I don't think they'd put Maul in a movie because the people that haven't watched the tv shows might get confused on how he's still alive... But then again it works for Michael Bay.. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 19, 2017 16:40:19 GMT -5
I loved the short duel. I thought it was a very fitting end to the conflict of these characters. And now the more i think about it the more i'm falling in love with it and the entire episode in itself. It might very well be the best episode on the show so far.
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Post by Newan on Mar 19, 2017 19:04:11 GMT -5
I loved the short duel. I thought it was a very fitting end to the conflict of these characters. And now the more i think about it the more i'm falling in love with it and the entire episode in itself. It might very well be the best episode on the show so far. Twilight of the Apprentice is hard to beat for me but then again that's a 2 episodes in one. Twin Suns is probably the best single episode |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 20, 2017 6:46:00 GMT -5
I loved the short duel. I thought it was a very fitting end to the conflict of these characters. And now the more i think about it the more i'm falling in love with it and the entire episode in itself. It might very well be the best episode on the show so far. Twilight of the Apprentice is hard to beat for me but then again that's a 2 episodes in one. Twin Suns is probably the best single episode Trials of the Darksaber is also a hard one to beat. |
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Post by Potato on Mar 20, 2017 10:40:21 GMT -5
Twilight of the Apprentice is hard to beat for me but then again that's a 2 episodes in one. Twin Suns is probably the best single episode Trials of the Darksaber is also a hard one to beat. Through Imperial Eyes is actually my favorite of the season.  It's the first properly focused Imperial episode. And Kallus is one of my favorite characters. But I'm with Newan. Twilight of the Apprentice is still my favorite. I actually think it rivals some of the Clone Wars' best episodes. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 20, 2017 16:08:16 GMT -5
Trials of the Darksaber is also a hard one to beat. Through Imperial Eyes is actually my favorite of the season. It's the first properly focused Imperial episode. And Kallus is one of my favorite characters. But I'm with Newan. Twilight of the Apprentice is still my favorite. I actually think it rivals some of the Clone Wars' best episodes. Kallus is also one of my favorites on the show  I'm afraid he's not going to make the Season finale though. But i really hope he does. I want to see him as a full time member of the Ghost Crew. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 20, 2017 16:29:38 GMT -5
Excluding guest star characters, Chopper and AP-5 collectively are my favourite character. I never knew a more cynical version of R2 and 3PO would work so well |
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Post by Newan on Mar 20, 2017 17:16:51 GMT -5
Excluding guest star characters, Chopper and AP-5 collectively are my favourite character. I never knew a more cynical version of R2 and 3PO would work so well Nah HK-47 is THE cynical 3PO lol |
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Post by Newan on Mar 20, 2017 18:10:18 GMT -5
Maul appeared on screen in the same amount of episodes on Rebels as TCW.
TCW:
Revenge
Revival
Eminence
Shades of Reason
The Lawless
*Yes he made a small appearance in Brothers but that was insane Maul.
Rebels:
Twilight of the Apprentice x2
Holocrons of Fate
Visions and Voices
Twin Suns
And tbh in both shows and in The Phantom Menance he does nothing actually productive, he's just meant to look cool, fight and be a menacing presence. But his overall story has little impact or significance.
I mean honestly the difference between him and Boba Fett in a similar role is pretty slim...
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 21, 2017 20:24:57 GMT -5
I think they should stop showing previews for episodes... Like it's like two minutes of a 22 min episode which is actually a big chunk... every time the preview is kinda cool and then the episode is just shit... They should do like mini trailers instead like TCW used to do
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 22, 2017 14:44:58 GMT -5
I remembered that Maketh Tua character but I don't remember what happened to her.. Which made me realize that I can't remember anything prior to.. well the latest episode... Because nothing is memorable...
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Mar 24, 2017 15:44:21 GMT -5
Maul appeared on screen in the same amount of episodes on Rebels as TCW. TCW: Revenge Revival Eminence Shades of Reason The Lawless *Yes he made a small appearance in Brothers but that was insane Maul. Rebels: Twilight of the Apprentice x2 Holocrons of Fate Visions and Voices Twin Suns And tbh in both shows and in The Phantom Menance he does nothing actually productive, he's just meant to look cool, fight and be a menacing presence. But his overall story has little impact or significance. I mean honestly the difference between him and Boba Fett in a similar role is pretty slim... And if TCW hadn't been cancelled he would have appeared in more! Thanks Disney! (*waits for Pinda an Spider to like comment*) |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Mar 24, 2017 16:13:52 GMT -5
Maul appeared on screen in the same amount of episodes on Rebels as TCW. TCW: Revenge Revival Eminence Shades of Reason The Lawless *Yes he made a small appearance in Brothers but that was insane Maul. Rebels: Twilight of the Apprentice x2 Holocrons of Fate Visions and Voices Twin Suns And tbh in both shows and in The Phantom Menance he does nothing actually productive, he's just meant to look cool, fight and be a menacing presence. But his overall story has little impact or significance. I mean honestly the difference between him and Boba Fett in a similar role is pretty slim... He left a greater impact in TCW than Rebels... too bad they never got to finish him in TCW. He brought characters together (Kenobi and Asajj), concluded Savage's story, linked Sidious to Talzin and to himself, terrorized the galaxy. Not to mention the whole Mandalore Act. If his story was completed he would've shaped the galaxy even further. The only thing he did in Rebels was have loads of continuity errors, and make ezra relevant. Nothing else. Obi Wan wasn't even a main character unlike TCW. He served no purpose and left the show with little to none. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 24, 2017 19:15:14 GMT -5
Maul appeared on screen in the same amount of episodes on Rebels as TCW. TCW: Revenge Revival Eminence Shades of Reason The Lawless *Yes he made a small appearance in Brothers but that was insane Maul. Rebels: Twilight of the Apprentice x2 Holocrons of Fate Visions and Voices Twin Suns And tbh in both shows and in The Phantom Menance he does nothing actually productive, he's just meant to look cool, fight and be a menacing presence. But his overall story has little impact or significance. I mean honestly the difference between him and Boba Fett in a similar role is pretty slim... And if TCW hadn't been cancelled he would have appeared in more! Thanks Disney! (*waits for Pinda an Spider to like comment*) Yes, take my like! |
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Post by Newan on Mar 24, 2017 19:32:31 GMT -5
Maul appeared on screen in the same amount of episodes on Rebels as TCW. TCW: Revenge Revival Eminence Shades of Reason The Lawless *Yes he made a small appearance in Brothers but that was insane Maul. Rebels: Twilight of the Apprentice x2 Holocrons of Fate Visions and Voices Twin Suns And tbh in both shows and in The Phantom Menance he does nothing actually productive, he's just meant to look cool, fight and be a menacing presence. But his overall story has little impact or significance. I mean honestly the difference between him and Boba Fett in a similar role is pretty slim... He left a greater impact in TCW than Rebels... too bad they never got to finish him in TCW. He brought characters together (Kenobi and Asajj), concluded Savage's story, linked Sidious to Talzin and to himself, terrorized the galaxy. Not to mention the whole Mandalore Act. If his story was completed he would've shaped the galaxy even further. The only thing he did in Rebels was have loads of continuity errors, and make ezra relevant. Nothing else. Obi Wan wasn't even a main character unlike TCW. He served no purpose and left the show with little to none. He served hardly any purpose in TCW either and definitely no purpose in TPM. regardless of if TCW was cancelled or not he wouldn't have had any real impact |
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Mar 24, 2017 21:48:57 GMT -5
He left a greater impact in TCW than Rebels... too bad they never got to finish him in TCW. He brought characters together (Kenobi and Asajj), concluded Savage's story, linked Sidious to Talzin and to himself, terrorized the galaxy. Not to mention the whole Mandalore Act. If his story was completed he would've shaped the galaxy even further. The only thing he did in Rebels was have loads of continuity errors, and make ezra relevant. Nothing else. Obi Wan wasn't even a main character unlike TCW. He served no purpose and left the show with little to none. He served hardly any purpose in TCW either and definitely no purpose in TPM. regardless of if TCW was cancelled or not he wouldn't have had any real impact At least in TCW he seemed like a threat. He's laughable and pathetic in Rebels. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 24, 2017 22:17:30 GMT -5
He served hardly any purpose in TCW either and definitely no purpose in TPM. regardless of if TCW was cancelled or not he wouldn't have had any real impact At least in TCW he seemed like a threat. He's laughable and pathetic in Rebels. A threat? A threat to who? Savage was more threatening then him and Savages whole purpose was to be the Maul connection |
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 24, 2017 22:42:27 GMT -5
At least in TCW he seemed like a threat. He's laughable and pathetic in Rebels. A threat? A threat to who? Savage was more threatening then him and Savages whole purpose was to be the Maul connection Like all of Mandalore at least. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 25, 2017 4:49:35 GMT -5
A threat? A threat to who? Savage was more threatening then him and Savages whole purpose was to be the Maul connection Like all of Mandalore at least. Mandalore was scared of the Deafh Watch, at least the pacifists were. They didn't care for Maul |
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It's growing on me so much... I want to say it's up there with Maul vs Vizsla because of the "deepness" if nothing else
It's the first properly focused Imperial episode. And Kallus is one of my favorite characters.
I'm afraid he's not going to make the Season finale though. But i really hope he does. I want to see him as a full time member of the Ghost Crew.
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 