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Post by Kenbo on May 21, 2019 20:39:27 GMT -5
I skimmed through it not sure if I really understood but the author is saying the show got bad because we couldn't relate to characters? We couldn't exactly related to characters in the beginning (because almost everyone was fucking evil or psycho) and it was good then. I think there's certain ways to tell stories that are able appeal to a large audience. Shakespeare's writing for example is revered because his stories contained several age old archetypes like the hero cycle and characters with fatal flaws. I hope the hero cycle is not forgotten because it is my favorite type of story and I don't really care if I can relate to the hero honestly. I thought Jon would go through the hero cycle but they basically just sidelined him towards the end They're saying that the show's tone shifted when GOT began to let its characters drive the narrative (psychologically-oriented, like most products of Hollywood) instead of using overarching institutions and events propelling the story (sociologically-oriented, like how GRRM wrote his novels). In other words, the early seasons allowed characters to develop and do their own things, but we didn't follow a single character and view the world solely from their perspective. We instead viewed the world of GOT through various perspectives and how they changed via events happening and society's established institutions. By following these global events and societal foundations, we could discern how every character thought the way they did, even if we disagreed. It also enabled major characters like Ned and Robb to die without it seeming the narrative to that point suddenly vanished. These characters weren't written as leads, but rather players in a world we were watching carry on. Later seasons began to reverse this though as we saw characters like Jon and Dany become ones we were meant to view the world through. It doesn't say the latter is bad, but rather it was jarring to have a switch so late in the series, especially when bad writing accompanied it. Thanks for dumbing it down lmao... But interesting I didn't think about it like that. I think it's more unique the way GRRM did it |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 22, 2019 15:08:29 GMT -5
If you believe the theory that Bran is a master manipulator who engineered a situation where he would be King, then maybe it means the Night King’s goal was to kill him and prevent his tyrannical rule.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 22, 2019 15:17:41 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/brq6jo/spoilers_extended_why_edmure_tully_is_rightful/
Surprisingly strong argument for Edmure Tully.
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Post by Pinda on May 23, 2019 15:38:47 GMT -5
 He is clearly not happy with the way things ended.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 24, 2019 14:50:15 GMT -5
Thought this might interest you guys. It's even got Star Wars in the beginning, so it fits this forum like a glove  |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 25, 2019 11:09:49 GMT -5
My Final Ranking of Seasons:
1. Season 4
2. Season 3
3. Season 6
4. Season 1
5. Season 5
6. Season 2
7. Season 7
8. Season 8
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Post by Pinda on May 25, 2019 14:14:27 GMT -5
Thought this might interest you guys. It's even got Star Wars in the beginning, so it fits this forum like a glove Their new system is not even a problem... They literally put an immortal all-seeing dictator in control of the seven six kingdoms and acted like that was a happy ending... |
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Post by Pinda on May 25, 2019 14:15:14 GMT -5
1. Season 3
2. Season 4
3. Season 1
4. Season 2
5. Season 6
6. Season 5
7. Season 7
8. Season 8
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Post by Pinda on May 25, 2019 14:20:09 GMT -5
This is pretty much what I expected to be in the actual episode. It would have been a great ending if the Three-eyed Raven planned it all (maybe not by warging main characters and taking their agency away entirely though). But that is only vaguely implied... and the consequences of that implication are just ignored entirely. The TER clearly knew what would happen. He sacrificed King's Landing and over a million lives to become king. The TER in the books (called the Three-Eyed Crow) is a very dark and menacing character. His cave is filled with skeletons and he makes Bran drink something that appears to be human blood. This is NOT a happy ending, even though the writers seem to think it is. This should be an absolutely terrifying ending.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 25, 2019 23:05:20 GMT -5
Season 1: Enthralling
Season 2: Elaborate
Season 3: Shocking
Season 4: Perfect
Season 5: Uneven
Season 6: Epic
Season 7: Disorienting
Season 8: Lazy
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Post by Pinda on May 26, 2019 7:06:05 GMT -5
 Hmm... |
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Post by Newan on May 26, 2019 8:41:51 GMT -5
I’ve been watching some of seasons 3-6... really just watching the Kings Landing and Daenerys stuff (skipping all the long Nights Watch segments) but the show was just so much better... slower pace and everything.
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Post by Kenbo on May 26, 2019 9:08:27 GMT -5
I can't really distinguish each season it's all kind of a blur tbh... But I remember my enjoyment was at an all time high around the red wedding whichever season that was and then kinda decreased after. Decreased even more after the death of Joffrey
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Post by Spidyyr on May 26, 2019 11:32:56 GMT -5
I can't really distinguish each season it's all kind of a blur tbh... But I remember my enjoyment was at an all time high around the red wedding whichever season that was and then kinda decreased after. Decreased even more after the death of Joffrey My enjoyment peaked with Season 6 and dropped like a rock after that. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 26, 2019 11:33:27 GMT -5
The Winds of Winter (Season 6 finale) is my favorite episode.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 27, 2019 17:09:59 GMT -5
I think they should’ve killed Brienne in “The Long Night.” I think her death could’ve caused Jaime to spiral out of control and devolve into his old self.
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Post by Pinda on May 27, 2019 19:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on May 27, 2019 21:13:18 GMT -5
I think they should’ve killed Brienne in “The Long Night.” I think her death could’ve caused Jaime to spiral out of control and devolve into his old self. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 27, 2019 23:15:32 GMT -5
I think they should’ve killed Brienne in “The Long Night.” I think her death could’ve caused Jaime to spiral out of control and devolve into his old self. I mean it would have made more sense than him abandoning her. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 28, 2019 20:29:18 GMT -5
Don’t know if I’ve said this but I theorized that the reason they didn’t reveal the truth about Tysha was because they meant to do it later. They indirectly mentioned her again so maybe it’s true. What's the truth? Tyrion's first wife doesn't feel like a very relevant plot point at the moment She wasn’t a whore like Tywin and Jaime made Tyrion believe. But Tywin had Jaime make up a lie that it had all been arranged. Jaime tells Tyrion this when he frees him. This causes Tyrion to hate Jaime and tell him Cersei was cheating on him with Lancel. And that leads Jaime and Cersei to kinda break up. Also the info on Tysha pushes Tyrion over the edge and makes him kill Tywin. |
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Post by Potato on May 28, 2019 21:59:24 GMT -5
The Winds of Winter (Season 6 finale) is my favorite episode. I kind of cheat and group that together with Battle of the Bastards. I still think that was one of the best battles ever put to film or TV (even if Jon was kind of dumb for charging and Sansa didn't tell Jon about the Vale). |
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Post by Kenbo on May 29, 2019 8:38:20 GMT -5
What's the truth? Tyrion's first wife doesn't feel like a very relevant plot point at the moment She wasn’t a whore like Tywin and Jaime made Tyrion believe. But Tywin had Jaime make up a lie that it had all been arranged. Jaime tells Tyrion this when he frees him. This causes Tyrion to hate Jaime and tell him Cersei was cheating on him with Lancel. And that leads Jaime and Cersei to kinda break up. Also the info on Tysha pushes Tyrion over the edge and makes him kill Tywin. Well that would've been interesting. But was that something that was supposed to happen/it was in the books or did you come up with that? Tyrion marrying a whore is not out of character |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2019 8:41:41 GMT -5
She wasn’t a whore like Tywin and Jaime made Tyrion believe. But Tywin had Jaime make up a lie that it had all been arranged. Jaime tells Tyrion this when he frees him. This causes Tyrion to hate Jaime and tell him Cersei was cheating on him with Lancel. And that leads Jaime and Cersei to kinda break up. Also the info on Tysha pushes Tyrion over the edge and makes him kill Tywin. Well that would've been interesting. But was that something that was supposed to happen/it was in the books or did you come up with that? Tyrion marrying a whore is not out of character It’s exactly what happens in the books. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2019 8:43:49 GMT -5
“You’ve given me less than that, all my life, but you’ll give me this. What did you do with Tysha?”
“Tysha?”
He does not even remember her name. “The girl I married.”
“Oh, yes. Your first whore.”
Tyrion took aim at his father’s chest. “The next time you say that word, I’ll kill you.”
“You do not have the courage.”
“Shall we find out? It’s a short word, and it seems to come so easily to your lips.” Tyrion gestured impatiently with the bow. “Tysha. What did you do with her, after my little lesson?”
“I don’t recall.”
“Try harder. Did you have her killed?”
His father pursed his lips. “There was no reason for that, she’d learned her place… and had been well paid for her day’s work, I seem to recall. I suppose the steward sent her on her way. I never thought to inquire.”
“On her way where?”
“Wherever whores go.”
Tyrion’s finger clenched. The crossbow whanged just as Lord Tywin started to rise. The bolt slammed into him above the groin and he sat back down with a grunt.
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Post by Kenbo on May 29, 2019 12:02:05 GMT -5
Well that would've been interesting. But was that something that was supposed to happen/it was in the books or did you come up with that? Tyrion marrying a whore is not out of character It’s exactly what happens in the books. That would've been great in the show then and it would've helped Jaime's arc. Another thing that was rushed over I guess I kinda really want to read the books.. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2019 12:05:14 GMT -5
It’s exactly what happens in the books. That would've been great in the show then and it would've helped Jaime's arc. Another thing that was rushed over I guess I kinda really want to read the books.. Same |
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Post by Star on May 30, 2019 10:31:37 GMT -5
My Final Ranking of Seasons: 1. Season 4 2. Season 3 3. Season 6 4. Season 1 5. Season 5 6. Season 2 7. Season 7 8. Season 8 I agree, except I'd possibly switch 5 and 2. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 1, 2019 22:04:48 GMT -5
Bran should’ve been Master of Whisperers. He’d be great at it.
I don’t know who should be Master of Coin, but not Bronn. Guy doesn’t know shit about loans even.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 2, 2019 11:41:22 GMT -5
Maybe Bronn could be Master of War. He has done a lot of fighting and has been second in command to great strategists like Jaime and Tyrion.
Jaime would probably be ideal for this position but he’s dead.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 2, 2019 12:26:29 GMT -5
Maybe Bronn could be Master of War. He has done a lot of fighting and has been second in command to great strategists like Jaime and Tyrion. Jaime would probably be ideal for this position but he’s dead. Bronn doesn't really need any role like that imo. Should've kept him a scoundrel and given him a castle or money or something like he was promised. They just put him on the council because he was someone we knew and it would be a nice happy ending with the gang being in charge of Westeros together as friends |
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 