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Post by Pinda on May 19, 2019 19:57:50 GMT -5
Well, it is almost time...
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 20:03:18 GMT -5
And now it begins.
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Post by Pinda on May 19, 2019 20:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by Potato on May 19, 2019 21:29:02 GMT -5
Alright, despite not being a fan of the last few episodes, that was actually pretty good. Some strange choices (Bran as King), but overall I think this was a good ending considering the spot they put themselves in over the course of this season.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 21:36:29 GMT -5
I don’t know how I feel.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 21:36:53 GMT -5
I don’t hate it though so that’s a win.
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Post by Newan on May 19, 2019 21:37:02 GMT -5
It was an ok ending, the first 20 minutes felt just emotionless though and kind of weird. Bran as king is weird but I guess it’s a good neutral choice. Jon back on the Nights Watch is kind of weird, not much purpose for a watch really either.
The last scene with Tyrion is one of my favorite in the show though... I want to see more of thst council with Bronn on it. Also Bronn surviving the whole show is a miracle in itself.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 21:37:11 GMT -5
Oh look we’re at the same page number as the final episode count.
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Post by Pinda on May 19, 2019 21:48:16 GMT -5
Honestly, I just need three things from this episode: 1. Have Bran use his powers in an interesting way. Nothing lame like warging himself to give Arya that dagger (as people have been suggesting). 2. Have Jon kill Dany. Not Arya. 3. Explain the Lord of Light stuff properly (hopefully ties into Bran). Bonus points: Davos does something useful for the first time in like 3 seasons. If they do all that I might just accept this season... as a season of good ideas with rushed writing. So... 1. Well, we didn't get that... not really at least. I think Bran implied he has been steering events in this direction to become king. But why? And how? And why didn't they show that? I don't know. I feel like they could have made better use of the timetravel stuff. 2. Check 3. Nope. Bonus: Check I guess I am disappointed they didn't show us where Drogon went. I mean Bran said he would try to find him. But I guess we will never know then... I suspect he went to Valyria. Seriously, the ending was not terrible... but there are LOTS of unanswered questions... |
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Post by Pinda on May 19, 2019 21:49:39 GMT -5
It was an ok ending, the first 20 minutes felt just emotionless though and kind of weird. Bran as king is weird but I guess it’s a good neutral choice. Jon back on the Nights Watch is kind of weird, not much purpose for a watch really either. The last scene with Tyrion is one of my favorite in the show though... I want to see more of thst council with Bronn on it. Also Bronn surviving the whole show is a miracle in itself. The council is definitely a highlight. Davos and Bronn seem like they have good chemistry. I wish we get a mini-sequel series some day in the future to show how things progressed. Perhaps like 10 years later (as Tyrion talked about). |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 22:07:57 GMT -5
I’m not sure what the point of Bronn’s story was this season.
I honestly would’ve been fine with him just showing up in the Council at the end. All his arc gave us was confusion and the obligatory tits of the season.
You could cut him from everything but the finale and the season would still make perfect sense.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 22:10:11 GMT -5
Still don’t know what this episode is called.
Gonna guess “Ice and Fire”
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2019 22:12:22 GMT -5
Nevermind. Guess it’s called “The Iron Throne”
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Post by Pinda on May 19, 2019 22:17:01 GMT -5
I am actually disappointed by the amount of story elements that were irrelevant to the story in the end.
They could have tied it all together, the White Walkers, Children of the Forest, Jon's parents, the Lord of Light, all of it could have been part of the three-eyed Ravens plan. Because remember, Bran is dead, the Three-Eyed Raven is king now. And I wonder how the books will handle that because his book-equilevant, the Three-eyed Crow is a VERY dark character. Probably not someone you would want on the throne...
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Post by Kenbo on May 19, 2019 23:11:49 GMT -5
I guess it was good. At first I was honestly disappointed at Bran being king and thought it was another shock value choice but the more I think about it maybe it's fine. Westeros is at peace, life goes on. Everything is normal and maybe a little bit boring. However it is weird to me Bran would accept this. He does not even consider himself Bran anymore. If they can write Bran becoming king, they can write Jon becoming king. I wanted a fairytale ending not gonna lie. Jon is the prince that was promised. The song of ice and fire is about him. He's Aegon, he's even got the OG Targaryen name. Tyrion was talking about stories, Jon's got a good one. Mans came back to life. They honestly did not write his character well. Even up until the last moments "ShE iS mY qUeEn"... Seriously. Jon from earlier seasons would not be so whipped
I am really curious what is west of Westeros though. Wouldn't mind a spin off of that. Not with Arya though...
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Post by Kenbo on May 19, 2019 23:37:24 GMT -5
Not seeing many people complain. I guess there's not all that much to complain about except everything else being rushed. Endings are always hard. I think my first reaction to the ending of any show is always "wait, that's it?" maybe because it's hard to accept it's the end of something you've been following for however long. I think after a bunch of bad episodes they got it more or less right.
It's gonna be a timeless show. People will watch it and talk about it for years to come
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Post by Potato on May 20, 2019 8:02:06 GMT -5
I guess it was good. At first I was honestly disappointed at Bran being king and thought it was another shock value choice but the more I think about it maybe it's fine. Westeros is at peace, life goes on. Everything is normal and maybe a little bit boring. However it is weird to me Bran would accept this. He does not even consider himself Bran anymore. If they can write Bran becoming king, they can write Jon becoming king. I wanted a fairytale ending not gonna lie. Jon is the prince that was promised. The song of ice and fire is about him. He's Aegon, he's even got the OG Targaryen name. Tyrion was talking about stories, Jon's got a good one. Mans came back to life. They honestly did not write his character well. Even up until the last moments "ShE iS mY qUeEn"... Seriously. Jon from earlier seasons would not be so whipped I am really curious what is west of Westeros though. Wouldn't mind a spin off of that. Not with Arya though... Yeah, Jon being a Targaryen didn't really have any impact on the plot. It was just used to make Dany go mad. Jon kind of got shafted this season... but him going off with the Wildlings at the end was a nice ending for him at least. |
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Post by Potato on May 20, 2019 8:03:08 GMT -5
Nevermind. Guess it’s called “The Iron Throne” I'm surprised they didn't call it "A Song of Ice and Fire". "The Iron Throne" is kind of boring... but I guess titles aren't really that important.  |
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Post by Star on May 20, 2019 8:24:46 GMT -5
Nevermind. Guess it’s called “The Iron Throne” I'm surprised they didn't call it "A Song of Ice and Fire". "The Iron Throne" is kind of boring... but I guess titles aren't really that important. I thought they were going to call it "A Dream of Spring". |
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Post by Potato on May 20, 2019 8:45:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't call it "A Song of Ice and Fire". "The Iron Throne" is kind of boring... but I guess titles aren't really that important. I thought they were going to call it "A Dream of Spring". Me too for a while, but I don't think that would have worked as well after seeing the episode. The whole "Winter is Coming" thing sort of just got dropped after they killed the Night King. Although I do think that would have been a better title than "The Iron Throne". |
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Post by Pinda on May 20, 2019 10:51:59 GMT -5
I really don't like this ending... but I can't be bothered to write why... Maybe I will later...
But they just butchered the show. Not even in the way it ends, but the way it fails to address most of the major questions, themes and issues it set up...
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Post by Pinda on May 20, 2019 11:20:21 GMT -5
Oh by the way, the spoilers I read were wrong... or rather I misread them. One of them said Tyrion would be executed. I also read something about a King's Council... I guess that did happen in the Dragonpit. The other thing I read in a comment was about Bran becoming the Night King. But I guess it was just about him becoming king and the "Night" part an additional being a theory of that person.
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Post by Potato on May 20, 2019 13:47:04 GMT -5
Oh by the way, the spoilers I read were wrong... or rather I misread them. One of them said Tyrion would be executed. I also read something about a King's Council... I guess that did happen in the Dragonpit. The other thing I read in a comment was about Bran becoming the Night King. But I guess it was just about him becoming king and the "Night" part an additional being a theory of that person. I read about the Tyrion execution spoiler too (it must have been like 5 months ago now). Based on the first episode of this season, I thought it would happen. There was that one moment, after Tyrion keeps trying to convince everyone that Cersei has changed, that Bran just eerily stares at him. I thought that was foreshadowing that Bran knew Tyrion was a traitor. Instead he really was just incompetent this whole time. But that leak was sort of right at least. It said Tyrion's trial was at the Dragon Pit, and it listed all of the characters that would be there (even how Jon and Dany were absent). It was just wrong about Tyrion being killed. I'm sort of happy he got to live though. |
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Post by Newan on May 20, 2019 15:00:05 GMT -5
Most of my favorite characters since basically the start lived though.... Tyrion, Bronn, Jaime, Arya.
Tywin was also very high up there for me, I still think his death marked the point the show started going down hill.
Jorah and Stannis were also up there. Maybe I’ll do a full list at some point of favorite characters after the ending. But my first 4 I listed wouldn’t change.
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Post by Newan on May 20, 2019 15:03:43 GMT -5
www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/episodesLast episode has a 4.5 with over 100k votes.... and remember when GoT fans were literally going around IMDB downvoting every other show so it could be first?
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Post by Star on May 20, 2019 16:09:22 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on May 20, 2019 17:33:43 GMT -5
I skimmed through it not sure if I really understood but the author is saying the show got bad because we couldn't relate to characters? We couldn't exactly related to characters in the beginning (because almost everyone was fucking evil or psycho) and it was good then. I think there's certain ways to tell stories that are able appeal to a large audience. Shakespeare's writing for example is revered because his stories contained several age old archetypes like the hero cycle and characters with fatal flaws. I hope the hero cycle is not forgotten because it is my favorite type of story and I don't really care if I can relate to the hero honestly. I thought Jon would go through the hero cycle but they basically just sidelined him towards the end |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 20, 2019 19:24:52 GMT -5
Why do they call him “Bran the Broken?”
That’s like “Robert the Drunken” or “Joffrey the Inbred”
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Post by Spidyyr on May 21, 2019 6:40:33 GMT -5
JON: Woah dude did you see what just happened up there? Daenerys was like fuck this shit and had Drogon burn the Iron Throne. Then they just flew away, probably back to Essos. I guess I’ll be King now. Or maybe Tyrion.
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Post by Star on May 21, 2019 16:10:17 GMT -5
I skimmed through it not sure if I really understood but the author is saying the show got bad because we couldn't relate to characters? We couldn't exactly related to characters in the beginning (because almost everyone was fucking evil or psycho) and it was good then. I think there's certain ways to tell stories that are able appeal to a large audience. Shakespeare's writing for example is revered because his stories contained several age old archetypes like the hero cycle and characters with fatal flaws. I hope the hero cycle is not forgotten because it is my favorite type of story and I don't really care if I can relate to the hero honestly. I thought Jon would go through the hero cycle but they basically just sidelined him towards the end They're saying that the show's tone shifted when GOT began to let its characters drive the narrative (psychologically-oriented, like most products of Hollywood) instead of using overarching institutions and events propelling the story (sociologically-oriented, like how GRRM wrote his novels). In other words, the early seasons allowed characters to develop and do their own things, but we didn't follow a single character and view the world solely from their perspective. We instead viewed the world of GOT through various perspectives and how they changed via events happening and society's established institutions. By following these global events and societal foundations, we could discern how every character thought the way they did, even if we disagreed. It also enabled major characters like Ned and Robb to die without it seeming the narrative to that point suddenly vanished. These characters weren't written as leads, but rather players in a world we were watching carry on. Later seasons began to reverse this though as we saw characters like Jon and Dany become ones we were meant to view the world through. It doesn't say the latter is bad, but rather it was jarring to have a switch so late in the series, especially when bad writing accompanied it. |
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