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Post by Newan on Feb 17, 2016 14:35:08 GMT -5
My opinions on the rounds: Round 3: Bane killed Bolla Ropal and possibly Ord Enisence. But other than that he never had a reason to kill a Jedi. But we all know you are biased towards Aurra here... Just like I'm biased towards Bane... Round 4&5: Bane really has a tool for everything. If he uses his electrocution tool all that armor will only hurt the Fetts. Bonus round: Yeah, I forgot about the flame thrower... could be effective against Chewbacca... Bane would never get that close to use his electrocution thing and that also requires two hands. One to hold the person and one to activate it, he wouldn't get that chance against the Fetts. They're also better in hand to hand combat even Kid Boba in "Bounty" is better. Boba and Jango have a lot of explosives that I don't see Bane being able to compete with. Also if Embo got in melee range with Bane then Bane probably dies. Embo would crush him in hand to hand combat. |
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Post by Star on Feb 17, 2016 19:43:01 GMT -5
Bane breezes past Sugi and Embo. Aurra would be a little tricky, but I think he can handle her. As for Jango, it'd be very close, but I'd give the slight edge to Bane. However, I think Bane would lose to Boba most likely. Chewbacca would be another close one, but I'd say Chewbacca should be able to defeat him.
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Post by Potato on Feb 17, 2016 21:47:47 GMT -5
If you look solely at canon material then Aurra's really not that powerful. There's no signs of her ever being force sensitive. Going off of canon stuff, Embo would probably be able to beat her, so I'd say Bane would have a harder time with him than with Aurra.
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Post by Newan on Feb 18, 2016 1:02:33 GMT -5
Okay I guess I'll do one of these now.
The scenario: ROTS Obi-Wan at the height of his power runs the gauntlet of villains he has faced in his career. Obi-Wan gets 15 minutes to recuperate after each fight, everything is permitted.
Round 1: Savage Opress
Round 2: Asajj Ventress (The Clone Wars)
Round 3: General Grievous (The Clone Wars/ ROTS)
Round 4: Darth Maul (The Phantom Menace)
Round 5: Count Dooku
Round 6: Darth Vader (In Suit, canonically more powerful then without suit)
Setting: Imperial Star Destroyer Hanger, note the hanger is open with no objects so nothing to throw around and no terrain advantages. Each battle starts with Obi-Wan on the opposite side of his opponent.
How far does Obi-Wan get? Does he defeat them all? If not who stops him? Remember he only gets 15 minutes between fights so he won't be fresh after the first one however I think it's a fair challenge due to his resilient soresu lightsaber form.
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 18, 2016 8:29:58 GMT -5
If you look solely at canon material then Aurra's really not that powerful. There's no signs of her ever being force sensitive. Going off of canon stuff, Embo would probably be able to beat her, so I'd say Bane would have a harder time with him than with Aurra. TCW Annual mentions Aurra being able to use mind trick, which implies force sensitivity. Since this Annual would have been written to be in alignment with the way TCW authors wanted her to be I think this is a reliable source. And yes, we may have never seen her doing this in the show but bear in mind we've only seen her in a combat setting in 2 episodes and both times she was in the presence of people who would have been able to resist such attacks/detect and repel them (Plo Koon, Ahsoka etc...). Also 2 episodes isn't enough to completely prove this source wrong so I think it's safe to assume it at least has a kernel of truth to it. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 18, 2016 9:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Feb 18, 2016 10:34:38 GMT -5
If you look solely at canon material then Aurra's really not that powerful. There's no signs of her ever being force sensitive. Going off of canon stuff, Embo would probably be able to beat her, so I'd say Bane would have a harder time with him than with Aurra. TCW Annual mentions Aurra being able to use mind trick, which implies force sensitivity. Since this Annual would have been written to be in alignment with the way TCW authors wanted her to be I think this is a reliable source. And yes, we may have never seen her doing this in the show but bear in mind we've only seen her in a combat setting in 2 episodes and both times she was in the presence of people who would have been able to resist such attacks/detect and repel them (Plo Koon, Ahsoka etc...). Also 2 episodes isn't enough to completely prove this source wrong so I think it's safe to assume it at least has a kernel of truth to it. Cad Bane is described by some official TCW stuff as an anti-Jedi though. His clothes are apparently made of some kind of slightly force resistant material, his booster boots are supposed to help him keep up with Jedi and his tubes are supposed to help against things like force chokes. Also, mindtricks don't really affect him. |
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Post by Pinda on Feb 18, 2016 10:45:16 GMT -5
Just copying Boba's post format for this.
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 18, 2016 11:03:24 GMT -5
TCW Annual mentions Aurra being able to use mind trick, which implies force sensitivity. Since this Annual would have been written to be in alignment with the way TCW authors wanted her to be I think this is a reliable source. And yes, we may have never seen her doing this in the show but bear in mind we've only seen her in a combat setting in 2 episodes and both times she was in the presence of people who would have been able to resist such attacks/detect and repel them (Plo Koon, Ahsoka etc...). Also 2 episodes isn't enough to completely prove this source wrong so I think it's safe to assume it at least has a kernel of truth to it. Cad Bane is described by some official TCW stuff as an anti-Jedi though. His clothes are apparently made of some kind of slightly force resistant material, his booster boots are supposed to help him keep up with Jedi and his tubes are supposed to help against things like force chokes. Also, mindtricks don't really affect him. It's true that Cad Bane is well-equipped against force attacks like mind trick and choke but I'm not saying that Aurra would necessarily use such powers against Bane, just that her ability to be able to do such things proves her force sensitivity which in turn gives her significantly boosted physical stats. This gives her a distinct advantage against Bane, who doesn't have that great of physical stats to begin with. |
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Post by Potato on Feb 18, 2016 13:06:15 GMT -5
Obi-Wan would beat Savage, but Savage would probably give him some difficulty and his amount of strength would definitely tire out Obi-Wan. But with 15 minutes to recuperate he should be ready for the next round.
Ventress would be harder, but Obi-Wan would be able to best her in the end.
Close, especially because Kenobi would be pretty worn out at this point, but I think he'd beat Grievous.
I think he'd lose against Maul. However, this is TPM Maul, and he was more powerful during TCW, so Obi-Wan in his prime might hold him off. But at this point, I'd say Obi-Wan would go down.
If he beat Maul, he would easily go down against Dooku in the next round. I don't think Obi-Wan's ever beaten Dooku.
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Post by Newan on Feb 18, 2016 14:58:08 GMT -5
I think he loses to Dooku. Savage won't pose much of a challenge, he actually almost killed him in Revival but Maul saved him from death. Ventress is probably easier then Savage though, Kenobi is a perfect counter for Grievous. He could lose to Maul but TPM Maul doesn't use the force either unlike Dooku and Vader. So yeah it's likely he loses to Dooku
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Post by Newan on Feb 18, 2016 14:59:20 GMT -5
But Soresu form is meant for battles like this even going on for a day or more if need be. So I think Kenobi could get to Vader but Dooku would take most of his strength
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Post by Potato on Feb 18, 2016 18:04:22 GMT -5
But Soresu form is meant for battles like this even going on for a day or more if need be. So I think Kenobi could get to Vader but Dooku would take most of his strength I think, if he actually did make it to Dooku, then Obi-Wan would get destroyed (especially because of the previous rounds). Even though Obi-Wan's a pretty good fighter, he's just never been very effective against Dooku. |
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Post by Star on Feb 18, 2016 18:19:25 GMT -5
Obi-Wan makes it to Dooku before losing. The first three he would be able to win. Maul would be tough, but isn't TPM Maul weaker than TCW Maul? Either way, I think Obi-Wan is able to defeat him, although it would be very close since he'd be fatigued. If Obi-Wan didn't just face four other opponents, he could put up a good fight with Dooku, but in this scenario, Dooku should win fairly easily.
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 20, 2016 14:10:18 GMT -5
Darth Maul faces 5 rounds of enemies
1. The Grand Inquisitor & Seventh Sister
2. Ahsoka Tano & Asajj Ventress 3. " Hope" Satele Shan & Bastila Shan
4. TCW Grievous & Savage Opress 5. Darth Vader Bonus Round: ANH Kenobi, Luminara Unduli & Barriss Offee.
- 25 minute recovery time after each match. - Maul as of TCW but with double-bladed lightsaber and a spare single red lightsaber.
Location: Mines of Moria 
At which round does Darth Maul get defeated? Or does he beat them all? Does he beat the bonus round?
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 14:16:27 GMT -5
Darth Maul faces 5 rounds of enemies
1. The Grand Inquisitor & Seventh Sister
2. Ahsoka Tano & Asajj Ventress 3. " Hope" Satele Shan & Bastila Shan
4. TCW Grievous & Savage Opress 5. Darth Vader Bonus Round: ANH Kenobi, Luminara Unduli & Barriss Offee.
- 25 minute recovery time after each match. - Maul as of TCW but with double-bladed lightsaber and a spare single red lightsaber.
Location: Mines of Moria
At which round does Darth Maul get defeated? Or does he beat them all? Does he beat the bonus round?
Considering Darth Malgus would crush Maul then there is absolutely no way he gets past Satele Shan, yeah she had help from Jace but now she has help from Bastilla. Maul loses easily, don't even really have to consider the other fights. The first two Maul shouldn't have too much difficulty but him being alone vs two guys every time just wares him down a lot. |
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Post by Pinda on Feb 20, 2016 14:18:42 GMT -5
Darth Maul faces 5 rounds of enemies
1. The Grand Inquisitor & Seventh Sister
2. Ahsoka Tano & Asajj Ventress 3. " Hope" Satele Shan & Bastila Shan
4. TCW Grievous & Savage Opress 5. Darth Vader Bonus Round: ANH Kenobi, Luminara Unduli & Barriss Offee.
- 25 minute recovery time after each match. - Maul as of TCW but with double-bladed lightsaber and a spare single red lightsaber.
Location: Mines of Moria
At which round does Darth Maul get defeated? Or does he beat them all? Does he beat the bonus round?
Round 1 and 2 are easy for Maul. Round 3 is impossible. Maul win against two of the most powerful Old Republic Jedi... If he made it through round 3 he would win round 4 though. Savage would be easy for him. Grievous would be more challenging, but I think he could do it. But he would lose in round 5 and the bonus round. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 14:26:30 GMT -5
The Old Republic Jedi are stronger as well and for good reason since they where always fighting wars, where as the prequel Jedi had a 1000 years peace before TCW.
Honestly I think Satele Shan alone would defeat Maul, Bastilla would only have to use battle mediation and not actually fight at all
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 20, 2016 14:29:07 GMT -5
Darth Maul faces 5 rounds of enemies
1. The Grand Inquisitor & Seventh Sister
2. Ahsoka Tano & Asajj Ventress 3. " Hope" Satele Shan & Bastila Shan
4. TCW Grievous & Savage Opress 5. Darth Vader Bonus Round: ANH Kenobi, Luminara Unduli & Barriss Offee.
- 25 minute recovery time after each match. - Maul as of TCW but with double-bladed lightsaber and a spare single red lightsaber.
Location: Mines of Moria
At which round does Darth Maul get defeated? Or does he beat them all? Does he beat the bonus round?
Round 1 and 2 are easy for Maul. Round 3 is impossible. Maul win against two of the most powerful Old Republic Jedi... If he made it through round 3 he would win round 4 though. Savage would be easy for him. Grievous would be more challenging, but I think he could do it. But he would lose in round 5 and the bonus round. Satele was only a Knight at the time of "Hope" and Bastila never graduated beyond Padawan, to my knowledge. Impossible is a pretty far off assessment IMO. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 14:33:03 GMT -5
Round 1 and 2 are easy for Maul. Round 3 is impossible. Maul win against two of the most powerful Old Republic Jedi... If he made it through round 3 he would win round 4 though. Savage would be easy for him. Grievous would be more challenging, but I think he could do it. But he would lose in round 5 and the bonus round. Satele was only a Knight at the time of "Hope" and Bastila never graduated beyond Padawan, to my knowledge. Impossible is a pretty far off assessment IMO. Satele was only a knight because she couldn't grasp certain parts of being a Jedi like attachments and dealing with emotion. Her natural skill was that of a master and I think she was either made a master for her defense on Alderaan or shortly after but within 20 years she had already moved up to be the grandmaster of the Jedi order. Bastila never graduated because she sort of left the Jedi order I think, she choose to marry Revan and then he left to the unknown regions and Bastila ended up going into hiding because of the events in KOTOR 2. |
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Post by Potato on Feb 20, 2016 14:41:01 GMT -5
Maul whoops the Inquisitors even harder than Ahsoka did. Easy win. I think Ventress in particular would challenge him a bit in the next round, but he'd still win. I don't know a whole lot about The Old Republic, but I did see all of the trailers so I know how powerful Satele is, and I know Bastila's really powerful too. So I think they'd beat Maul.
Edit: I just noticed that it was the Grand Inquisitor and Seventh Sister, not 7th Sister and Fifth Brother. Maybe not as easy of a win for Maul then, but he'd still handily beat them.
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Post by Potato on Feb 20, 2016 14:41:45 GMT -5
Although, I think Maul vs. Grievous and Savage as its own round could be an interesting fight. I think Grievous and Savage might win, but it'd be really close. What do you guys think?
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 20, 2016 14:42:12 GMT -5
Darth Maul faces 5 rounds of enemies
1. The Grand Inquisitor & Seventh Sister
2. Ahsoka Tano & Asajj Ventress 3. " Hope" Satele Shan & Bastila Shan
4. TCW Grievous & Savage Opress 5. Darth Vader Bonus Round: ANH Kenobi, Luminara Unduli & Barriss Offee.
- 25 minute recovery time after each match. - Maul as of TCW but with double-bladed lightsaber and a spare single red lightsaber.
Location: Mines of Moria
At which round does Darth Maul get defeated? Or does he beat them all? Does he beat the bonus round?
Considering Darth Malgus would crush Maul then there is absolutely no way he gets past Satele Shan, yeah she had help from Jace but now she has help from Bastilla. Maul loses easily, don't even really have to consider the other fights. The first two Maul shouldn't have too much difficulty but him being alone vs two guys every time just wares him down a lot. How would "Hope" Malgus crush Maul? |
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 14:45:35 GMT -5
Considering Darth Malgus would crush Maul then there is absolutely no way he gets past Satele Shan, yeah she had help from Jace but now she has help from Bastilla. Maul loses easily, don't even really have to consider the other fights. The first two Maul shouldn't have too much difficulty but him being alone vs two guys every time just wares him down a lot. How would "Hope" Malgus crush Maul? TCW Maul vs Darth Malgus... Malgus was a Darth for a very long time and a war veteran at that, he led most of the imperial conquests throughout the outer rim. Malgus would toss Maul, plus Maul makes little use of the force where as Malgus does in combination with his lightsaber skills |
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 14:47:40 GMT -5
Malgus was actual pretty powerful by the time of the "Hope" trailer but I think that just shows how powerful Satele really is. She even had the ability to block his saber into her hand like the Father did
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 20, 2016 14:54:35 GMT -5
How would "Hope" Malgus crush Maul? TCW Maul vs Darth Malgus... Malgus was a Darth for a very long time and a war veteran at that, he led most of the imperial conquests throughout the outer rim. Malgus would toss Maul, plus Maul makes little use of the force where as Malgus does in combination with his lightsaber skills What has Malgus done as of "Hope" that Maul could not accomplish? I'm talking in terms of both force and lightsaber combat. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 15:08:35 GMT -5
TCW Maul vs Darth Malgus... Malgus was a Darth for a very long time and a war veteran at that, he led most of the imperial conquests throughout the outer rim. Malgus would toss Maul, plus Maul makes little use of the force where as Malgus does in combination with his lightsaber skills What has Malgus done as of "Hope" that Maul could not accomplish? I'm talking in terms of both force and lightsaber combat. He killed a Jedi master when he was just an apprentice and 15 years later he fought Satele on Alderaan. That's 15 years Malgus had fighting wars and honing his skills. Maul was a mindless beast for 10 years. I don't see any scenario where Maul wins |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 20, 2016 15:34:04 GMT -5
What has Malgus done as of "Hope" that Maul could not accomplish? I'm talking in terms of both force and lightsaber combat. He killed a Jedi master when he was just an apprentice and 15 years later he fought Satele on Alderaan. That's 15 years Malgus had fighting wars and honing his skills. Maul was a mindless beast for 10 years. I don't see any scenario where Maul wins Maul also killed a Jedi Master when he was an apprentice too... Qui-Gon Jinn, a person who is regarded as one of the Jedi Order's greatest swordsmen in history . In fact, it was said that he not only outduelled Qui-Gon but also almost eclipsed both Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon in skill. I don't see any scenarios where "Hope" Malgus could win. Killing Kao Cen Drach doesn't put him anywhere near Maul's skill level and Maul simply has more showings against more impressive people. Malgus' war experience advantage is easily balanced out by the fact Maul spent almost all his life training under the most powerful and most knowledgeable Sith Lord in history. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 20, 2016 15:50:48 GMT -5
He killed a Jedi master when he was just an apprentice and 15 years later he fought Satele on Alderaan. That's 15 years Malgus had fighting wars and honing his skills. Maul was a mindless beast for 10 years. I don't see any scenario where Maul wins Maul also killed a Jedi Master when he was an apprentice too... Qui-Gon Jinn, a person who is regarded as one of the Jedi Order's greatest swordsmen in history . In fact, it was said that he not only outduelled Qui-Gon but also almost eclipsed both Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon in skill. I don't see any scenarios where "Hope" Malgus could win. Killing Kao Cen Drach doesn't put him anywhere near Maul's skill level and Maul simply has more showings against more impressive people. Malgus' war experience advantage is easily balanced out by the fact Maul spent almost all his life training under the most powerful and most knowledgeable Sith Lord in history. If it was TPM Maul then I would consider it more but I really don't believe TCW Maul is more powerful. Anyways the point still stands I don't see him getting past round 3. Round 4 is easier, round 5 is impossible |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 20, 2016 17:08:12 GMT -5
My opinion of rounds:
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 