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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:49:20 GMT -5
Sidious did train Maul according to TCW and the movies.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 14:50:44 GMT -5
Sidious did train Maul according to TCW and the movies. Yet he seems to have poor force abilities and was defeated by a padawan. Malak was beaten by a former Sith Lord who went on to become a Master shortly after |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:51:06 GMT -5
Yeah Malak is far from overpowered... None of the KOTOR sith are OP cause they have a story behind them... Even Nihilus who seems OP has weakness. But their in-game powers are usually overpowered to make them a challenge. He usually only uses lightning, Death field, choke and whirlwind which isn't too OP.... They have all been established before KOTOR was made. Oh and he uses affliction I think. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:51:48 GMT -5
Sidious did train Maul according to TCW and the movies. Yet he seems to have poor force abilities and was defeated by a padawan. Malak was beaten by a former Sith Lord who went on to become a Master shortly after The padawan was just lucky. Maul also defeated a Jedi master, a very skilled Jedi master. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:52:27 GMT -5
Sidious did train Maul according to TCW and the movies. No the books and stuff don't show him training him on 1 on 1 only a few teaching lessons.... He doesn't have time too train Maul. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5
Also, Maul doesn't seem to use the Force that much. We don't know how good he is with it, but I think he prefers lightsaber combat.
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:53:06 GMT -5
Revan could even be a match for Sidious.... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:53:23 GMT -5
Sidious did train Maul according to TCW and the movies. No the books and stuff don't show him training him on 1 on 1 only a few teaching lessons.... He doesn't have time too train Maul. But the movies and TCW obviously imply Sidious trained him himself. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 14:53:43 GMT -5
Yet he seems to have poor force abilities and was defeated by a padawan. Malak was beaten by a former Sith Lord who went on to become a Master shortly after The padawan was just lucky. Maul also defeated a Jedi master, a very skilled Jedi master. Malak defeated numerous Jedi, master and knight alike, he defeated numerous mandalorians and he has defeated several dark jedi on many occasions. Revan was very powerful yet it still took him a long time to overpower Malak because Malak had brilliant reflexes and superb fighting skills. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:53:48 GMT -5
Revan could even be a match for Sidious.... Yes, but Sidious would win. But that's another battle... |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:53:59 GMT -5
Also, Maul doesn't seem to use the Force that much. We don't know how good he is with it, but I think he prefers lightsaber combat. Than you can't really use that he may know more about the force because we don't see it in any canon sources... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:55:10 GMT -5
Also, Maul doesn't seem to use the Force that much. We don't know how good he is with it, but I think he prefers lightsaber combat. Than you can't really use that he may know more about the force because we don't see it in any canon sources... I never said he knew more about the force. I said his force skills would probably be slightly less than Malak's. But he would still overpowered Malak with agility and lightsaber skills. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:55:23 GMT -5
No the books and stuff don't show him training him on 1 on 1 only a few teaching lessons.... He doesn't have time too train Maul. But the movies and TCW obviously imply Sidious trained him himself. He might take credit for it but he didn't really train him he was just a assassin and a tool for his plan he had no long term purpose. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 14:56:06 GMT -5
Also, Maul doesn't seem to use the Force that much. We don't know how good he is with it, but I think he prefers lightsaber combat. Actually since Maul hasn't demonstrated his force abilities much, we have to assume the powers he uses are around the limit of his force abilities. Anyway, Malak would just create a whirlwind, which would fling Maul into the air and Maul would die hitting the ground or Malak will put Maul in a stasis field and chop him up (Malak performed his statis and whirlinds on Revan and Bastila (along with numerous others) with no difficulty) |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:57:19 GMT -5
Than you can't really use that he may know more about the force because we don't see it in any canon sources... I never said he knew more about the force. I said his force skills would probably be slightly less than Malak's. But he would still overpowered Malak with agility and lightsaber skills. Malak uses Ataru a lot though where as Maul really only knows Juyo form... Making Malak have the edge in agility plus Malak is also pretty young. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 14:57:36 GMT -5
Than you can't really use that he may know more about the force because we don't see it in any canon sources... I never said he knew more about the force. I said his force skills would probably be slightly less than Malak's. But he would still overpowered Malak with agility and lightsaber skills. Malak is very agile, he flips all over the place when he fights |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:58:08 GMT -5
But the movies and TCW obviously imply Sidious trained him himself. He might take credit for it but he didn't really train him he was just a assassin and a tool for his plan he had no long term purpose. He has. Filoni said in an interview that the whole purpose of the Mauldalore arc was to show Maul wasn't just a tool, he was meant to be Sidious successor. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:58:27 GMT -5
Also, Maul doesn't seem to use the Force that much. We don't know how good he is with it, but I think he prefers lightsaber combat. Actually since Maul hasn't demonstrated his force abilities much, we have to assume the powers he uses are around the limit of his force abilities. Anyway, Malak would just create a whirlwind, which would fling Maul into the air and Maul would die hitting the ground or Malak will put Maul in a stasis field and chop him up (Malak performed his statis and whirlinds on Revan and Bastila (along with numerous others) with no difficulty) I only remember him using it on Carth on his star destroyer. Bastila was explaining the Revan story with Malak. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 14:59:23 GMT -5
Also, Maul doesn't seem to use the Force that much. We don't know how good he is with it, but I think he prefers lightsaber combat. Actually since Maul hasn't demonstrated his force abilities much, we have to assume the powers he uses are around the limit of his force abilities. Anyway, Malak would just create a whirlwind, which would fling Maul into the air and Maul would die hitting the ground or Malak will put Maul in a stasis field and chop him up (Malak performed his statis and whirlinds on Revan and Bastila (along with numerous others) with no difficulty) Well nobody in TCW or the movies uses any force abilities other than force push/pull, choke or lightning in combat. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 14:59:55 GMT -5
He might take credit for it but he didn't really train him he was just a assassin and a tool for his plan he had no long term purpose. He has. Filoni said in an interview that the whole purpose of the Mauldalore arc was to show Maul wasn't just a tool, he was meant to be Sidious successor. Maybe he was meant too be like ALL sith apprentices where supposed too succeed their masters but he would never be more powerful than Sidious... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 15:00:39 GMT -5
Actually since Maul hasn't demonstrated his force abilities much, we have to assume the powers he uses are around the limit of his force abilities. Anyway, Malak would just create a whirlwind, which would fling Maul into the air and Maul would die hitting the ground or Malak will put Maul in a stasis field and chop him up (Malak performed his statis and whirlinds on Revan and Bastila (along with numerous others) with no difficulty) I only remember him using it on Carth on his star destroyer. Bastila was explaining the Revan story with Malak. He does it to Bastila and Carth, then he does it to Revan later (while still keeping Bastila and Carth in the stasis despite being far away, but then Bastila gets out of it and runs to help Rvean) |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 15:02:06 GMT -5
Actually since Maul hasn't demonstrated his force abilities much, we have to assume the powers he uses are around the limit of his force abilities. Anyway, Malak would just create a whirlwind, which would fling Maul into the air and Maul would die hitting the ground or Malak will put Maul in a stasis field and chop him up (Malak performed his statis and whirlinds on Revan and Bastila (along with numerous others) with no difficulty) Well nobody in TCW or the movies uses any force abilities other than force push/pull, choke or lightning in combat. Actually that is because many old force powers were lost over the years, especially sith ones. And you're trying to imply that just because it isn't in TCW it immediately is not canon, this is not the case |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 15:02:14 GMT -5
He has. Filoni said in an interview that the whole purpose of the Mauldalore arc was to show Maul wasn't just a tool, he was meant to be Sidious successor. Maybe he was meant too be like ALL sith apprentices where supposed too succeed their masters but he would never be more powerful than Sidious... Maybe not. But Sidious is just extremely powerful. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 15:02:34 GMT -5
I only remember him using it on Carth on his star destroyer. Bastila was explaining the Revan story with Malak. He does it to Bastila and Carth, then he does it to Revan later (while still keeping Bastila and Carth in the stasis despite being far away, but then Bastila gets out of it and runs to help Rvean) I remember he picked the 2 Jedi up and choked them that was pretty impressive... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 15:03:44 GMT -5
Well nobody in TCW or the movies uses any force abilities other than force push/pull, choke or lightning in combat. Actually that is because many old force powers were lost over the years, especially sith ones. And you're trying to imply that just because it isn't in TCW it immediately is not canon, this is not the case I'm trying to imply that TCW + the movies don't have these kind of abilities (probably because Filoni and Lucas find them to be overpowered or have no knowledge on them at all) so it's unfair to judge Maul on his lack of those abilities. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 15:04:04 GMT -5
Yeah when most of the Sith died and Bane was the last one they didnt have much too work with of course Sidious would know these powers I assume but most where not found again until Luke found them.
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Post by Newan on Jan 28, 2014 15:05:29 GMT -5
Actually that is because many old force powers were lost over the years, especially sith ones. And you're trying to imply that just because it isn't in TCW it immediately is not canon, this is not the case I'm trying to imply that TCW + the movies don't have these kind of abilities (probably because Filoni and Lucas find them to be overpowered or have no knowledge on them at all) so it's unfair to judge Maul on his lack of those abilities. I don't think it's that unfair actually what characters know if pretty fair game... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 28, 2014 15:05:49 GMT -5
Actually that is because many old force powers were lost over the years, especially sith ones. And you're trying to imply that just because it isn't in TCW it immediately is not canon, this is not the case I'm trying to imply that TCW + the movies don't have these kind of abilities (probably because Filoni and Lucas find them to be overpowered or have no knowledge on them at all) so it's unfair to judge Maul on his lack of those abilities. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 28, 2014 15:08:05 GMT -5
I'm trying to imply that TCW + the movies don't have these kind of abilities (probably because Filoni and Lucas find them to be overpowered or have no knowledge on them at all) so it's unfair to judge Maul on his lack of those abilities. I don't think it's that unfair actually what characters know if pretty fair game... We don't know if Maul knew about these abilities. The makers of TCW decided not to include them in the show. |
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