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Post by Kenbo on Jan 17, 2014 19:15:15 GMT -5
Well aight if Obi wan also wants to kill Anakin... Then he wins
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 19:15:39 GMT -5
It's a rematch on open ground cause it seems Obi-Wan usually only wins by luck or environment. Think of his duels he got pretty lucky that Qui Gons lightsaber was there and Maul didnt attempt anything. He got lucky that he had a blaster with Grievous and I'm still not entirely sure about ROTS because he had the high ground okay that didn't seem to help Maul much though....Anakins recklessness is the only say he got beat he could have jumped to the side and continued fighting.
And Vader in suit has nothing to do with this but still Vader would have killed Obi Wan anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 19:20:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I had no clue this was some sort of game here. I read up on the rules and etc. I know what to do now. The match is now Anakin Vs. Obi, correct. If so, what form of Anakin? ATOC Anakin or ROTS Anakin? Because in each movie he had way different and stronger force powers?
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 19:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 19:21:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I had no clue this was some sort of game here. I read up on the rules and etc. I know what to do now. The match is now Anakin Vs. Obi, correct. If so, what form of Anakin? ATOC Anakin or ROTS Anakin? Because in each movie he had way different and stronger force powers? ROTS. And you can check the 3rd post if you want too see previous winners. |
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Post by bane on Jan 17, 2014 19:22:08 GMT -5
Is this after or before shizzle went down in the Revenge of the Sith? (Padme's death, among other things) Because... that matters. If Anakin had time to cool down his recklessness would be replaced by confidence and he would probably win. Otherwise, it would be Obi-Wan.
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 19:24:49 GMT -5
Is this after or before shizzle went down in the Revenge of the Sith? (Padme's death, among other things) Because... that matters. If Anakin had time to cool down his recklessness would be replaced by confidence and he would probably win. Otherwise, it would be Obi-Wan. Idk I never considered the whole Padme thing but it's basically the same battle on a neutral flat environment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 19:30:19 GMT -5
Okay, well in ROTS, Obi's and Anakin's force power's were basically at equal strength. That was proven when they both went for the force push in ROTS and couldn't throw each other down. But Obi to me would win, simply because he has something Anakin doesn't have, patience and wisdom. Anakin was to focused on his powers and how powerful he was becoming that he couldn't see his fight with Kenobi as a whole. Obi, being a master could though and that is how he outsmarted Anakin, using patience, to cut off his limbs and get the high ground. That being said the winner if you ask me would be Obi. In the near future when Anakin becomes more patient and wise with his power and thoughts, then that could be a different story. Referring to the ROTS time period the winner has to be Obi-Wan.
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Post by bane on Jan 17, 2014 19:30:47 GMT -5
Is this after or before shizzle went down in the Revenge of the Sith? (Padme's death, among other things) Because... that matters. If Anakin had time to cool down his recklessness would be replaced by confidence and he would probably win. Otherwise, it would be Obi-Wan. Idk I never considered the whole Padme thing but it's basically the same battle on a neutral flat environment. So if it's pretty much at the same time, Obi-Wan would win. Anakin would be to reckless, and Obi-Wan would be waaayyyy more calm and focous on his defence rather than blindly attacking. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 19:36:19 GMT -5
Idk I never considered the whole Padme thing but it's basically the same battle on a neutral flat environment. So if it's pretty much at the same time, Obi-Wan would win. Anakin would be to reckless, and Obi-Wan would be waaayyyy more calm and focous on his defence rather than blindly attacking. Well it's the same battle like Obi-Wan vs Anakin. But I don't think we're considering the whole Padme stuff leaving the story part out. Because even Anakin losing the way he did was complete story focused we all knew what would happen.... It's a neutral battle so I guess Padme can't be considered at all I just use there ROTS examples as templates for skill. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 19:38:12 GMT -5
Well guys it's Anakin and Obi-Wan ROTS so Anakin is still a Jedi that's why it does not say "Darth Vader" sorry I should have cleared that up earlier.
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Post by Namialus on Jan 17, 2014 19:45:45 GMT -5
I still say Obi-Wan. He's smart and learns from his opponents. I highly doubt the only reason he won was because of high ground - even Yoda knew Obi could've won against Anakin. Obi has trained Anakin, therefore he knows his weaknesses, and, being smart, he can exploit them.
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2014 20:03:03 GMT -5
I still say Obi-Wan. He's smart and learns from his opponents. I highly doubt the only reason he won was because of high ground - even Yoda knew Obi could've won against Anakin. Obi has trained Anakin, therefore he knows his weaknesses, and, being smart, he can exploit them. But that also works both ways Anakin has had time to study Obi-Wan. And Anakin fights a lot better and more aggressive when Obi-Wan isn't around. Dooku vs Anakin in both TCW and ROTS. Barris vs Anakin. Ventress vs Anakin and every time he wins. |
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Post by Namialus on Jan 17, 2014 20:24:04 GMT -5
I still say Obi-Wan. He's smart and learns from his opponents. I highly doubt the only reason he won was because of high ground - even Yoda knew Obi could've won against Anakin. Obi has trained Anakin, therefore he knows his weaknesses, and, being smart, he can exploit them. But that also works both ways Anakin has had time to study Obi-Wan. And Anakin fights a lot better and more aggressive when Obi-Wan isn't around. Dooku vs Anakin in both TCW and ROTS. Barris vs Anakin. Ventress vs Anakin and every time he wins. Pretty sure Obi can take a little aggression. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 18, 2014 8:47:29 GMT -5
Wha----
Anakin would destroy Obi Wan.
Anakin's lightsaber skills are far superior, he is the greatest practitioner of Shien ever and killed Dooku, the greatest practitioner of Makashi of all time. Obi-Wan only ever seems to defeat enemies because of luck. Defeating Maul was a fluke, because Qui Gon's lightsaber happened to be close. Obi-Wan could not stand up to Dooku and Dooku dealt with him within the first minute of the duel.
Anakin defeated Cin Drallig and his apprentice with little difficulty, along with many other Masters, Knights and Padawans without help from the clones
Anakin only lost against Obi Wan because of his own stupidity. He was arrogant. Obi-Wan's Soresu helped him greatly against Anakin, but even when he had not yet reached his full potential, Anakin could have defeated him. He had the upper hand throughout most of their battle.
Anakin is definitely stronger with the force , being the chosen one and the most powerful force-sensitive. And almost killed Obi Wan with Force Choke , when he was pushed by Obi Wan, he recovered instantly.
Anakin has more stamina and endurance, Obi-Wan was clearly tiring whereas Anakin was not.
Even though Obi Wan had the upperhand against Grievous, he was forced to go on the offensive otherwise Grievous would have overpowered him:
"Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack. "
We know Grievous isn't a great fighter, in fact, he is very clumsy, yet he managed to make short work of Obi Wan's defense despite not specialising in any one lightsaber form (he sucked at all of them), Anakin is capable of swinging his lightsaber fast, coupled with Shien, he could overpower Obi Wan like Grievous did.
Ventress was capable of stalemating Kenobi, Anakin killed Ventress. And before you begin whining: "Oh that isn't canon anymore!" . No it may not be, but it shows that Anakin had the skill to defeat Ventress as a padawan.
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2014 11:09:29 GMT -5
I think Kreias words on Soresu can be use here.
"A… defensive technique. But effective. Use it if you do not wish to be hit, or if you are facing many opponents with blasters. With a lightsaber blade and enough skill in deflection, it is an excellent offense against blasters, but in other situations, it merely delays the inevitable." - Kreia, KOTOR 2
Soresu form is purely defensive and has no offensive capabilities at all that's why Shien and Ataru where made as they are both highly aggressive but adding defensive capabilities. Anakin like Boba said is the greatest practitioner of Shien which it's main focus it do defend and then aggressively counter attack your enemy. Practitioners of Shien are often meant to keep a cool head as it can be dangerous in the hands of someone that uses the dark side in battle *cough* Anakin *cough*.
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Post by Namialus on Jan 18, 2014 11:52:19 GMT -5
Wha---- Anakin would destroy Obi Wan. Anakin's lightsaber skills are far superior, he is the greatest practitioner of Shien ever and killed Dooku, the greatest practitioner of Makashi of all time. Obi-Wan only ever seems to defeat enemies because of luck. Defeating Maul was a fluke, because Qui Gon's lightsaber happened to be close. Obi-Wan could not stand up to Dooku and Dooku dealt with him within the first minute of the duel. Anakin defeated Cin Drallig and his apprentice with little difficulty, along with many other Masters, Knights and Padawans without help from the clones Anakin only lost against Obi Wan because of his own stupidity. He was arrogant. Obi-Wan's Soresu helped him greatly against Anakin, but even when he had not yet reached his full potential, Anakin could have defeated him. He had the upper hand throughout most of their battle. Anakin is definitely stronger with the force , being the chosen one and the most powerful force-sensitive. And almost killed Obi Wan with Force Choke , when he was pushed by Obi Wan, he recovered instantly. Anakin has more stamina and endurance, Obi-Wan was clearly tiring whereas Anakin was not. Even though Obi Wan had the upperhand against Grievous, he was forced to go on the offensive otherwise Grievous would have overpowered him: "Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack. " We know Grievous isn't a great fighter, in fact, he is very clumsy, yet he managed to make short work of Obi Wan's defense despite not specialising in any one lightsaber form (he sucked at all of them), Anakin is capable of swinging his lightsaber fast, coupled with Shien, he could overpower Obi Wan like Grievous did. Ventress was capable of stalemating Kenobi, Anakin killed Ventress. And before you begin whining: "Oh that isn't canon anymore!" . No it may not be, but it shows that Anakin had the skill to defeat Ventress as a padawan. Actually the Ventress duel isn't canon because on TCW, Ventress is clearly more skilled than she was in the EU. Anyway Anakin's lightsaber skills are far superior? And he did not use help from the clones? I HIGHLY doubt that. He had the 501st with him, the elite troopers. Anakin did not have the upper hand on Mustafar. Obi-Wan was being smart and wise and clever - Anakin was just swinging his lightsaber and chasing him around. Obi-Wan keeps his mind calm and focused - that's why he fell to Maul on Naboo, he wasn't focused. Also, same with "Revenge." Obi-Wan staying focus = Obi-Wan owning. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 18, 2014 11:56:43 GMT -5
Wha---- Anakin would destroy Obi Wan. Anakin's lightsaber skills are far superior, he is the greatest practitioner of Shien ever and killed Dooku, the greatest practitioner of Makashi of all time. Obi-Wan only ever seems to defeat enemies because of luck. Defeating Maul was a fluke, because Qui Gon's lightsaber happened to be close. Obi-Wan could not stand up to Dooku and Dooku dealt with him within the first minute of the duel. Anakin defeated Cin Drallig and his apprentice with little difficulty, along with many other Masters, Knights and Padawans without help from the clones Anakin only lost against Obi Wan because of his own stupidity. He was arrogant. Obi-Wan's Soresu helped him greatly against Anakin, but even when he had not yet reached his full potential, Anakin could have defeated him. He had the upper hand throughout most of their battle. Anakin is definitely stronger with the force , being the chosen one and the most powerful force-sensitive. And almost killed Obi Wan with Force Choke , when he was pushed by Obi Wan, he recovered instantly. Anakin has more stamina and endurance, Obi-Wan was clearly tiring whereas Anakin was not. Even though Obi Wan had the upperhand against Grievous, he was forced to go on the offensive otherwise Grievous would have overpowered him: "Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack. " We know Grievous isn't a great fighter, in fact, he is very clumsy, yet he managed to make short work of Obi Wan's defense despite not specialising in any one lightsaber form (he sucked at all of them), Anakin is capable of swinging his lightsaber fast, coupled with Shien, he could overpower Obi Wan like Grievous did. Ventress was capable of stalemating Kenobi, Anakin killed Ventress. And before you begin whining: "Oh that isn't canon anymore!" . No it may not be, but it shows that Anakin had the skill to defeat Ventress as a padawan. Actually the Ventress duel isn't canon because on TCW, Ventress is clearly more skilled than she was in the EU. Anyway Anakin's lightsaber skills are far superior? And he did not use help from the clones? I HIGHLY doubt that. He had the 501st with him, the elite troopers. Anakin did not have the upper hand on Mustafar. Obi-Wan was being smart and wise and clever - Anakin was just swinging his lightsaber and chasing him around. Obi-Wan keeps his mind calm and focused - that's why he fell to Maul on Naboo, he wasn't focused. Also, same with "Revenge." Obi-Wan staying focus = Obi-Wan owning. No, Anakin controlled the fight, he was pushing Obi-Wan back The Anakin-Ventress duel can be considered accurate, it can be considered as a "What If" scenario so we can assume IF Anakin went up against Ventress as a padawan, he would have defeated her. Anakin defeated Cin Drallig, one of the best blademasters in the Order, and defeated the best practitioner of Makashi, with zero help, I'm not saying he never got help, I'm saying that he still done well without it. Obi Wan has no comparable feats. Obi Wan wasn't owning in Revenge either. |
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Post by Namialus on Jan 18, 2014 12:30:33 GMT -5
Actually the Ventress duel isn't canon because on TCW, Ventress is clearly more skilled than she was in the EU. Anyway Anakin's lightsaber skills are far superior? And he did not use help from the clones? I HIGHLY doubt that. He had the 501st with him, the elite troopers. Anakin did not have the upper hand on Mustafar. Obi-Wan was being smart and wise and clever - Anakin was just swinging his lightsaber and chasing him around. Obi-Wan keeps his mind calm and focused - that's why he fell to Maul on Naboo, he wasn't focused. Also, same with "Revenge." Obi-Wan staying focus = Obi-Wan owning. No, Anakin controlled the fight, he was pushing Obi-Wan back The Anakin-Ventress duel can be considered accurate, it can be considered as a "What If" scenario so we can assume IF Anakin went up against Ventress as a padawan, he would have defeated her. Anakin defeated Cin Drallig, one of the best blademasters in the Order, and defeated the best practitioner of Makashi, with zero help, I'm not saying he never got help, I'm saying that he still done well without it. Obi Wan has no comparable feats. Obi Wan wasn't owning in Revenge either. Obi-Wan wasn't owning in Revenge because he didn't keep a calm head - that's my point. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 18, 2014 12:49:21 GMT -5
No, Anakin controlled the fight, he was pushing Obi-Wan back The Anakin-Ventress duel can be considered accurate, it can be considered as a "What If" scenario so we can assume IF Anakin went up against Ventress as a padawan, he would have defeated her. Anakin defeated Cin Drallig, one of the best blademasters in the Order, and defeated the best practitioner of Makashi, with zero help, I'm not saying he never got help, I'm saying that he still done well without it. Obi Wan has no comparable feats. Obi Wan wasn't owning in Revenge either. Obi-Wan wasn't owning in Revenge because he didn't keep a calm head - that's my point. He couldn't have owned, Savage and Maul would have slaughtered him. Anakin's Saber and Force Skills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... Obi Wan's |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2014 12:53:17 GMT -5
Obi-wan wins.
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2014 12:56:52 GMT -5
Yeah all of Obi-Wans fights are pure luck or fluke except Revival....
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 18, 2014 12:58:35 GMT -5
Anakin was winning at Mustafar, he was driving Obi Wan back and force him to jump onto higher ground. Grievous overpowered Kenobi, Anakin can do it too... Anakin = Best Practitioner of Shien ever and the most powerful force sensitive of all time. Killed many skilled Jedi, killed the greatest Makashi practitioner of all time and killed one of the Order's greatest blademasters. Obi Wan = Uses a defensive form which can easily be overpowered, his only noteworthy victories ( Maul and Grievous) were flukes. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2014 12:59:46 GMT -5
Anakin was winning at Mustafar, he was driving Obi Wan back and force him to jump onto higher ground. Grievous overpowered Kenobi, Anakin can do it too... Anakin = Best Practitioner of Shien ever and the most powerful force sensitive of all time. Killed many skilled Jedi, killed the greatest Makashi practitioner of all time and killed one of the Order's greatest blademasters. Obi Wan = Uses a defensive form which can easily be overpowered, his only noteworthy victories ( Maul and Grievous) were flukes. Anakin doesn't even have noteworthy victories... |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2014 13:01:22 GMT -5
Anakin was winning at Mustafar, he was driving Obi Wan back and force him to jump onto higher ground. Grievous overpowered Kenobi, Anakin can do it too... Anakin = Best Practitioner of Shien ever and the most powerful force sensitive of all time. Killed many skilled Jedi, killed the greatest Makashi practitioner of all time and killed one of the Order's greatest blademasters. Obi Wan = Uses a defensive form which can easily be overpowered, his only noteworthy victories ( Maul and Grievous) were flukes. Anakin doesn't even have noteworthy victories... *facepalm* Dooku.... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 18, 2014 13:02:03 GMT -5
Anakin was winning at Mustafar, he was driving Obi Wan back and force him to jump onto higher ground. Grievous overpowered Kenobi, Anakin can do it too... Anakin = Best Practitioner of Shien ever and the most powerful force sensitive of all time. Killed many skilled Jedi, killed the greatest Makashi practitioner of all time and killed one of the Order's greatest blademasters. Obi Wan = Uses a defensive form which can easily be overpowered, his only noteworthy victories ( Maul and Grievous) were flukes. Anakin doesn't even have noteworthy victories... WTF.... Anakin beat: Dooku (greatest practitioner of Makashi) , Cin Drallig ( one of the greatest blademasters of the Jedi Order) and his apprentice, along with dozens of Masters, padawans and Knights, Ventress (although not canon, you can use it to determine that if Ventress were to fight Anakin as a padawan, he would win) , and many more... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2014 13:03:16 GMT -5
Anakin doesn't even have noteworthy victories... *facepalm* Dooku.... Ok... note worthy victory. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2014 13:04:41 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic with the Anakin and Ventress thing when it's not canon....
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 18, 2014 13:07:43 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic with the Anakin and Ventress thing when it's not canon.... It proves IF Anakin went up against Ventress as a padawan, he would have prevailed |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2014 13:08:24 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic with the Anakin and Ventress thing when it's not canon.... It proves IF Anakin went up against Ventress as a padawan, he would have prevailed How? it's not canon. |
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