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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 19:25:10 GMT -5
At least it's a decent discussion here  I was thinking of making a duels thread where basically just put 2 characters against each other in a duel and change it every week. Of course reasonable characters no Yoda vs Savage kinda scenarios.... Close matches actually generate discussion an debates. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 19:32:10 GMT -5
But just look at Grievous' arms... they're pretty thin. Savage could rip one off if he had the chance. He basically killed Adi Gallia by just ramming her with his horns. Grievous definitely has more skill with lightsabers, but in a one on one fight with Savage where anything's possible, Savage would beat him.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2013 19:35:46 GMT -5
But just look at Grievous' arms... they're pretty thin. Savage could rip one off if he had the chance. He basically killed Adi Gallia by just ramming her with his horns. Grievous definitely has more skill with lightsabers, but in a one on one fight with Savage where anything's possible, Savage would beat him. Grievous would grab Savage's shoulders, swing himself over Savage and then stab him in his back with sabers held by his feet... or he would just let his droids handle it... |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 19:37:27 GMT -5
But just look at Grievous' arms... they're pretty thin. Savage could rip one off if he had the chance. He basically killed Adi Gallia by just ramming her with his horns. Grievous definitely has more skill with lightsabers, but in a one on one fight with Savage where anything's possible, Savage would beat him. I don't think Ssvage would get the chance I doubt he can actually do anything without 2 hands on his double saber.... Plus Savage has no technique at all grievous would most likely use 2 sabers to block then use his others to disarm or kill him. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 20:00:38 GMT -5
Ill probably make a duel thread tomorrow with the first battle and update it every week for fresh discussions. So probably tomorrow morning.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 20:11:23 GMT -5
Please note that we're basing this purely on TCW and the movies.
Revenge of the Sith: Grievous fought a lightsaber duel.... and lost his hands in minutes. He then ran away and got killed by Obi-Wan.
The Clone Wars:
-In Lair of Grievous, it's true that we see lots of lightsaber trophies, but even Padawans have lightsabers. Who says all those lightsabers aren't from padawans?
-When he defeated Eeth Koth, who helped him? His guards. He would've been owned if he was alone.
-It's true that we see him strong against fighters like Adi Gallia and even Obi-Wan (Bound for Rescue) but he still loses more than he wins.
And if you still say he beats Ventress, did you not watch Massacre?
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 20:15:20 GMT -5
Please note that we're basing this purely on TCW and the movies. Revenge of the Sith: Grievous fought a lightsaber duel.... and lost his hands in minutes. He then ran away and got killed by Obi-Wan. The Clone Wars: -In Lair of Grievous, it's true that we see lots of lightsaber trophies, but even Padawans have lightsabers. Who says all those lightsabers aren't from padawans? -When he defeated Eeth Koth, who helped him? His guards. He would've been owned if he was alone. -It's true that we see him strong against fighters like Adi Gallia and even Obi-Wan (Bound for Rescue) but he still loses more than he wins. And if you still say he beats Ventress, did you not watch Massacre? Obi would have died if he didn't have a lucky blaster near him,,.. And just cause he uses his droids in every situation does not mean anything he probably used them with Koth cause of time issues. How would Grievous not want a fight? He's a kalesh warlord. He runs an entire army and has many things to take care of.... |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 20:26:48 GMT -5
Please note that we're basing this purely on TCW and the movies. Revenge of the Sith: Grievous fought a lightsaber duel.... and lost his hands in minutes. He then ran away and got killed by Obi-Wan. The Clone Wars: -In Lair of Grievous, it's true that we see lots of lightsaber trophies, but even Padawans have lightsabers. Who says all those lightsabers aren't from padawans? -When he defeated Eeth Koth, who helped him? His guards. He would've been owned if he was alone. -It's true that we see him strong against fighters like Adi Gallia and even Obi-Wan (Bound for Rescue) but he still loses more than he wins. And if you still say he beats Ventress, did you not watch Massacre? Obi would have died if he didn't have a lucky blaster near him,,.. And just cause he uses his droids in every situation does not mean anything he probably used them with Koth cause of time issues. How would Grievous not want a fight? He's a kalesh warlord. He runs an entire army and has many things to take care of.... He uses his droids in every situation because he's nothing without them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:33:17 GMT -5
Please note that we're basing this purely on TCW and the movies. Revenge of the Sith: Grievous fought a lightsaber duel.... and lost his hands in minutes. He then ran away and got killed by Obi-Wan. The Clone Wars: -In Lair of Grievous, it's true that we see lots of lightsaber trophies, but even Padawans have lightsabers. Who says all those lightsabers aren't from padawans? -When he defeated Eeth Koth, who helped him? His guards. He would've been owned if he was alone. -It's true that we see him strong against fighters like Adi Gallia and even Obi-Wan (Bound for Rescue) but he still loses more than he wins. And if you still say he beats Ventress, did you not watch Massacre? It is funny that Koth got shot in the shoulder and still kicked grievous ass. He even holded his won when he faced all of his body guards. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:34:41 GMT -5
 Grievous is hardly weak and could easily take Savage... Here he takes on Ventress and Durge and wins, absolutely no contest. (Yes it is canon, but just not on the level of the movies and TCW but nevertheless is still canon and since this is before TCW Ventress VS Grievous fight it can still be considered accurate) That is not canon. Grievous is 879% over powered in that show and the comics. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:37:14 GMT -5
Savage vs Grievous in hand to hand combat is close. Grevious does have skinny arms but when he faced obi wan grievous accidently smacked the ship and it left a dint and grievous didn't feel a thing.
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 20:41:18 GMT -5
Obi would have died if he didn't have a lucky blaster near him,,.. And just cause he uses his droids in every situation does not mean anything he probably used them with Koth cause of time issues. How would Grievous not want a fight? He's a kalesh warlord. He runs an entire army and has many things to take care of.... He uses his droids in every situation because he's nothing without them. I think it's quite smart for him actually he's only one guy and he runs everything in the droid army he's their most powerful person. Dooku really only takes care of politics but not any real war situations. Their is 100s of Jedi and only one of him it's more of a dirty tactic with not a lot of honour in 1v1 situations. He's a military tactician you do the most effective and efficient at all costs... If anything his Magna Guards are his apprentices I'm sure many padawans would struggle in a 1v1 against them. I don't really see Dooku or Grievous cowards for using a advantage. Dooku has also used Magna guards to aid him. And Sidious obviously sees Grievous as more use than Ventress. If she left the CIS or not Sidious could wipe the floor with her in about 5 seconds. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 20:43:42 GMT -5
He uses his droids in every situation because he's nothing without them. I think it's quite smart for him actually he's only one guy and he runs everything in the droid army he's their most powerful person. Dooku really only takes care of politics but not any real war situations. Their is 100s of Jedi and only one of him it's more of a dirty tactic with not a lot of honour in 1v1 situations. He's a military tactician you do the most effective and efficient at all costs... If anything his Magna Guards are his apprentices I'm sure many padawans would struggle in a 1v1 against them. I don't really see Dooku or Grievous cowards for using a advantage. Dooku has also used Magna guards to aid him. And Sidious obviously sees Grievous as more use than Ventress. If she left the CIS or not Sidious could wipe the floor with her in about 5 seconds. are you seriously saying Grievous would do better against Sidious than Ventress? He doesn't even have the Force, and that's a HUGE disadvantage. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:46:05 GMT -5
He uses his droids in every situation because he's nothing without them. I think it's quite smart for him actually he's only one guy and he runs everything in the droid army he's their most powerful person. Dooku really only takes care of politics but not any real war situations. Their is 100s of Jedi and only one of him it's more of a dirty tactic with not a lot of honour in 1v1 situations. He's a military tactician you do the most effective and efficient at all costs... If anything his Magna Guards are his apprentices I'm sure many padawans would struggle in a 1v1 against them. I don't really see Dooku or Grievous cowards for using a advantage. Dooku has also used Magna guards to aid him. And Sidious obviously sees Grievous as more use than Ventress. If she left the CIS or not Sidious could wipe the floor with her in about 5 seconds. Sidious sees ventress as a possible flaw to his power. He doesn't want her to become more powerful and the reason why grievous is still around is because he isn't one. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 20:47:21 GMT -5
I think it's quite smart for him actually he's only one guy and he runs everything in the droid army he's their most powerful person. Dooku really only takes care of politics but not any real war situations. Their is 100s of Jedi and only one of him it's more of a dirty tactic with not a lot of honour in 1v1 situations. He's a military tactician you do the most effective and efficient at all costs... If anything his Magna Guards are his apprentices I'm sure many padawans would struggle in a 1v1 against them. I don't really see Dooku or Grievous cowards for using a advantage. Dooku has also used Magna guards to aid him. And Sidious obviously sees Grievous as more use than Ventress. If she left the CIS or not Sidious could wipe the floor with her in about 5 seconds. are you seriously saying Grievous would do better against Sidious than Ventress? He doesn't even have the Force, and that's a HUGE disadvantage. No I'm talking about the war effort she was useless to the CIS and was a pretty bad assassin if that's what she was trained for... Sidious would never let Dooku have a real apprentice so she was either a war leader or a assassin either way she failed at both so she has no use I don't see her and Dooku ever being a match for Sidious. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 20:47:45 GMT -5
I think it's quite smart for him actually he's only one guy and he runs everything in the droid army he's their most powerful person. Dooku really only takes care of politics but not any real war situations. Their is 100s of Jedi and only one of him it's more of a dirty tactic with not a lot of honour in 1v1 situations. He's a military tactician you do the most effective and efficient at all costs... If anything his Magna Guards are his apprentices I'm sure many padawans would struggle in a 1v1 against them. I don't really see Dooku or Grievous cowards for using a advantage. Dooku has also used Magna guards to aid him. And Sidious obviously sees Grievous as more use than Ventress. If she left the CIS or not Sidious could wipe the floor with her in about 5 seconds. Sidious sees ventress as a possible flaw to his power. He doesn't want her to become more powerful and the reason why grievous is still around is because he isn't one. Exactly! Sidious had her killed because she was a threat. Grievous is just a PAWN, Ventress isn't. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 20:48:44 GMT -5
are you seriously saying Grievous would do better against Sidious than Ventress? He doesn't even have the Force, and that's a HUGE disadvantage. No I'm talking about the war effort she was useless to the CIS and was a pretty bad assassin if that's what she was trained for... Sidious would never let Dooku have a real apprentice so she was either a war leader or a assassin either way she failed at both so she has no use I don't see her and Dooku ever being a match for Sidious. Yeah, well, Sidious himself saw her and Dooku as a match for him, and that's established on the show. so. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:49:05 GMT -5
Dooku and Ventress would do better against sidious then Maul and Savage.
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 20:50:37 GMT -5
I think it's quite smart for him actually he's only one guy and he runs everything in the droid army he's their most powerful person. Dooku really only takes care of politics but not any real war situations. Their is 100s of Jedi and only one of him it's more of a dirty tactic with not a lot of honour in 1v1 situations. He's a military tactician you do the most effective and efficient at all costs... If anything his Magna Guards are his apprentices I'm sure many padawans would struggle in a 1v1 against them. I don't really see Dooku or Grievous cowards for using a advantage. Dooku has also used Magna guards to aid him. And Sidious obviously sees Grievous as more use than Ventress. If she left the CIS or not Sidious could wipe the floor with her in about 5 seconds. Sidious sees ventress as a possible flaw to his power. He doesn't want her to become more powerful and the reason why grievous is still around is because he isn't one. Grievous has uses though like for one he wasn't replaceable anyways kinda why Dooku and Sidious needed Grievous back in Shadow Warriror. They need him for the core world assaults and too run the war in general. If Grievous actually died in some battle early into the war the entire war would probably go down hill very fast. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 20:53:50 GMT -5
No I'm talking about the war effort she was useless to the CIS and was a pretty bad assassin if that's what she was trained for... Sidious would never let Dooku have a real apprentice so she was either a war leader or a assassin either way she failed at both so she has no use I don't see her and Dooku ever being a match for Sidious. Yeah, well, Sidious himself saw her and Dooku as a match for him, and that's established on the show. so. I don't think he saw her as much of a match I think his true intention was to start getting lose ends tied up early so his true plan being order 66 and Anakins downfall taking place. Exactly why he had to get rid of Maul and Savage as well. And I bet Dooku would have killed Ventress as well even if they where all in person. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 20:55:26 GMT -5
Yeah, well, Sidious himself saw her and Dooku as a match for him, and that's established on the show. so. I don't think he saw her as much of a match I think his true intention was to start getting lose ends tied up early so his true plan being order 66 and Anakins downfall taking place. Exactly why he had to get rid of Maul and Savage as well. And I bet Dooku would have killed Ventress as well even if they where all in person. You can't make up stuff - he blatantly said she's a threat and Dooku might betray him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:55:58 GMT -5
Sidious sees ventress as a possible flaw to his power. He doesn't want her to become more powerful and the reason why grievous is still around is because he isn't one. Grievous has uses though like for one he wasn't replaceable anyways kinda why Dooku and Sidious needed Grievous back in Shadow Warriror. They need him for the core world assaults and too run the war in general. If Grievous actually died in some battle early into the war the entire war would probably go down hill very fast. Grievous is just a pawn in the war. Dooku tells him what to do and grievous does it. He gives the droids something to lead for. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 21:13:37 GMT -5
Please note that we're basing this purely on TCW and the movies. Revenge of the Sith: Grievous fought a lightsaber duel.... and lost his hands in minutes. He then ran away and got killed by Obi-Wan. The Clone Wars: -In Lair of Grievous, it's true that we see lots of lightsaber trophies, but even Padawans have lightsabers. Who says all those lightsabers aren't from padawans? -When he defeated Eeth Koth, who helped him? His guards. He would've been owned if he was alone. -It's true that we see him strong against fighters like Adi Gallia and even Obi-Wan (Bound for Rescue) but he still loses more than he wins. And if you still say he beats Ventress, did you not watch Massacre? Obi would have died if he didn't have a lucky blaster near him,,.. And Grievous would have died sooner if he didn't have his wheel bike to escape with during the beginning of the fight. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 21:18:29 GMT -5
Wait thinking of Obi Wan and Anakin isn't it kinda dumb that Obi said "it's over I have the high ground" when that didnt seem to matter much with Maul and Obi wan.....
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2013 22:04:12 GMT -5
Wait thinking of Obi Wan and Anakin isn't it kinda dumb that Obi said "it's over I have the high ground" when that didnt seem to matter much with Maul and Obi wan..... Well this did happen in the scene where Obi wan said only Sith deal in absolutes... Lol.. |
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Post by Star on Dec 23, 2013 22:13:48 GMT -5
Ill probably make a duel thread tomorrow with the first battle and update it every week for fresh discussions. So probably tomorrow morning. I'll already made a thread like that.  Perhaps we could do it there? I like the idea a lot. So how about from tomorrow until the week is over, we have the first duel discussion. You can suggest ideas on the thread or PM them. And maybe a poll, and then on the first post is a list of all the duels done and results (based on poll). I think this would be pretty neat.  |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 23:45:50 GMT -5
Ill probably make a duel thread tomorrow with the first battle and update it every week for fresh discussions. So probably tomorrow morning. I'll already made a thread like that. Perhaps we could do it there? I like the idea a lot. So how about from tomorrow until the week is over, we have the first duel discussion. You can suggest ideas on the thread or PM them. And maybe a poll, and then on the first post is a list of all the duels done and results (based on poll). I think this would be pretty neat. I already had a idea like that but I think ill just start from scratch and make a new thread to keep things organized |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 2:36:23 GMT -5
Ill probably make a duel thread tomorrow with the first battle and update it every week for fresh discussions. So probably tomorrow morning. I'll already made a thread like that. Perhaps we could do it there? I like the idea a lot. So how about from tomorrow until the week is over, we have the first duel discussion. You can suggest ideas on the thread or PM them. And maybe a poll, and then on the first post is a list of all the duels done and results (based on poll). I think this would be pretty neat. Doesn't that old user had a site like that or something...we could use some of his duels. |
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Post by bane on Dec 24, 2013 12:27:20 GMT -5
But just look at Grievous' arms... they're pretty thin. Savage could rip one off if he had the chance. He basically killed Adi Gallia by just ramming her with his horns. Grievous definitely has more skill with lightsabers, but in a one on one fight with Savage where anything's possible, Savage would beat him. But while Savage is trying to rip one arm off, what would the other three be doing? And don't forget Grievous' kicks... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 24, 2013 13:36:50 GMT -5
It isn't canon. Judging by the drawing style it's based on the old CW series, which totally isn't canon. Everyone was overpowered in that series, especially Durge and Grievous. It is canon, it hasn't been overwritten so still is the canon version of that story. |
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I was thinking of making a duels thread where basically just put 2 characters against each other in a duel and change it every week. Of course reasonable characters no Yoda vs Savage kinda scenarios.... Close matches actually generate discussion an debates.
Perhaps we could do it there? I like the idea a lot. So how about from tomorrow until the week is over, we have the first duel discussion. You can suggest ideas on the thread or PM them. And maybe a poll, and then on the first post is a list of all the duels done and results (based on poll). I think this would be pretty neat. 
