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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2013 7:45:45 GMT -5
Yah, Grievous had to cheat to kill Nahdar Vebb. How was it cheating? Nahdar had the force, Grievous had a gun and four arms. Seems fair to me. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 11:36:23 GMT -5
I'm sure Grievous could have still beat Nahdar without using a blaster. It would have taken longer, but it seemed obvious that Nahdar was an inexperienced duelist. And Grievous wanted to kill him as soon as possible so he could move on to Kit Fisto.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 15:08:29 GMT -5
Grievous is a formidable fighter when it comes to non-Force and inexperience, but when he's fighting an experienced fighter (like all the Sith in this supposed duel) he is nothing.
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2013 15:10:37 GMT -5
Savage got beaten by Maul in about 5 seconds so...
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2013 15:11:04 GMT -5
Grievous is a formidable fighter when it comes to non-Force and inexperience, but when he's fighting an experienced fighter (like all the Sith in this supposed duel) he is nothing. But he still would beat Savage easily. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2013 15:11:47 GMT -5
I think Vader would beat Maul because it's before Vader got his injuries, Episode 3 Vader beat Cin Drallig, a blademaster, all you see Maul beat is Qui Gon and a few other unimportant, unskilled Jedi. I think we're talking about the normal armoured and everything Vader. No, the first page says the Episode 3 Vader. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 15:28:49 GMT -5
I think Savage might beat Grievous... IDK. Savage would just use his brute force to overpower Grievous. I don't think it would be a real duel between the two.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2013 15:41:15 GMT -5
I think Savage might beat Grievous... IDK. Savage would just use his brute force to overpower Grievous. I don't think it would be a real duel between the two. Grievous is extremely agile. He'd just dodge Savage like Sidious did in "The Lawless" and then he'd stab Savage in the back. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 15:44:21 GMT -5
I think Savage might beat Grievous... IDK. Savage would just use his brute force to overpower Grievous. I don't think it would be a real duel between the two. Grievous is extremely agile. He'd just dodge Savage like Sidious did in "The Lawless" and then he'd stab Savage in the back. Eh... I don't know. I don't think Grievous is that agile when he's in the middle of combat. He'd probably turn on all of his lightsabers and try to overpower Savage himself but then Savage would just nail him down. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 15:51:14 GMT -5
Grievous is extremely agile. He'd just dodge Savage like Sidious did in "The Lawless" and then he'd stab Savage in the back. Eh... I don't know. I don't think Grievous is that agile when he's in the middle of combat. He'd probably turn on all of his lightsabers and try to overpower Savage himself but then Savage would just nail him down. Grievous is a cyborg I think he could easily counter Savages strength with his own. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 15:59:23 GMT -5
Eh... I don't know. I don't think Grievous is that agile when he's in the middle of combat. He'd probably turn on all of his lightsabers and try to overpower Savage himself but then Savage would just nail him down. Grievous is a cyborg I think he could easily counter Savages strength with his own. Not really. Yeah, he has four arms and all but he gets them cut off all the time. Savage is definitely stronger than Grievous. Grievous would definitely have more skill than Savage but it wouldn't really matter in the end if Savage just randomly attacks him with his strength. |
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Post by Star on Dec 23, 2013 16:05:32 GMT -5
In this scenario, Grievous would win. He's more skillful and agile and with a bunch of fighters, he'd be more aware of everything. Savage would overpower Grievous in strength, but he'd be too focused on killing Grievous, he wouldn't see one of the others sneak up behind him and stab him (assuming Grievous didn't kill him). If it was 1v1 though, it be a lot closer (and maybe Savage could even win). But like I said, this type of scenario favors Grievous. Grievous can fight multiple opponents well (hence the four arms). Savage is more skilled at fighting single opponents.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2013 16:16:13 GMT -5
Savage could just use the force to throw grievous into a wall or something and throw his lightsaber at him..
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Post by Namialus on Dec 23, 2013 16:17:18 GMT -5
If you're defending Grievous, please watch all his canon duels...
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Post by bane on Dec 23, 2013 16:28:36 GMT -5
Eh... I don't know. I don't think Grievous is that agile when he's in the middle of combat. He'd probably turn on all of his lightsabers and try to overpower Savage himself but then Savage would just nail him down. Grievous is a cyborg I think he could easily counter Savages strength with his own. Yes... Grievous would win. Though Savage might have the force, Grievous is a cyborg which means he can withstand a HUGE amount of pain; if Savage lost a leg or something, he'd be out of it. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 16:31:48 GMT -5
Grievous is a cyborg I think he could easily counter Savages strength with his own. Yes... Grievous would win. Though Savage might have the force, Grievous is a cyborg which means he can withstand a HUGE amount of pain; if Savage lost a leg or something, he'd be out of it. But who's to say Savage would actually lose a limb from Grievous? Grievous just isn't built to be that strong. Look at his arms. They're pretty thin compared to Savage, cyborg or not. Savage is taller and has a larger build so he's definitely stronger. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2013 16:45:12 GMT -5
If you're defending Grievous, please watch all his canon duels... Okay, how about when he pwns Ventress and Durge? (Yes that is canon, but just not on the same level as TCW or movies) |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2013 16:45:53 GMT -5
Grivous doesn't have nerves does he..?
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2013 16:46:52 GMT -5
Grievous is a cyborg I think he could easily counter Savages strength with his own. Yes... Grievous would win. Though Savage might have the force, Grievous is a cyborg which means he can withstand a HUGE amount of pain; if Savage lost a leg or something, he'd be out of it. Withstanding pain doesn't really help.. If he lost his hands, how is he supposed to fight |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2013 16:55:34 GMT -5
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2013 17:18:05 GMT -5
Grievous and Savage Comparison:
Grievous:
- Trained in Makashi by Dooku, a master of the form and perfected his own variant, designed to overpower foes.
- Can attack with as many as 20 strikes per second.
- Able to spin his torso and his wrists in a 360 degree motion at extremely fast speeds continuously, making him very agile.
-He can analyse most of his opponents' attacks and respond in kind due to the advanced combat algorithms in his brain; shown when he analysed Windu's Vapaad on the duel on Coruscant.
- Killed many Jedi with ease but during training with Dooku, he was overpowered with ease.
- Not Force Sensitive
- Arrogant and cowardly
Savage:
- Very inexperienced in lightsaber combat, he prefers to use brute force to overpower his enemies.
- He usually sticks to somewhat slow albeit powerful attacks
- A fast learner, shown when he killed Adi Gallia with less than 1 year of training
- Killed several Jedi, during a fight with Maul, he was easily overpowered.
- Can use Force Choke and Force Shockwave proficiently but only under pressure or when he is angry. Can use Saber Throw well in any situation.
- Impulsive, rash and also confident
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2013 17:38:34 GMT -5
View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment  Grievous is hardly weak and could easily take Savage... Here he takes on Ventress and Durge and wins, absolutely no contest. (Yes it is canon, but just not on the level of the movies and TCW but nevertheless is still canon and since this is before TCW Ventress VS Grievous fight it can still be considered accurate) We're using the higher canon Grievous. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2013 17:41:54 GMT -5
It isn't canon. Judging by the drawing style it's based on the old CW series, which totally isn't canon. Everyone was overpowered in that series, especially Durge and Grievous.
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Post by Star on Dec 23, 2013 18:07:54 GMT -5
If you're defending Grievous, please watch all his canon duels... He almost killed Kenobi, one of the greatest Jedi, in ROTS. And he's killed countless other Jedi based on dialogue from TCW and ROTS. He just was portrayed as weak in TCW for story reasons. Do you really think Ventress could beat him? Probably not. They just wanted her to fight him, but still live. And same with Anakin and Kenobi. They CAN'T kill those two, so it makes him seem weak when he fights. And Ahsoka didn't die to him cause it would've been a premature death. So, he is still a great fighter. The story has just made him look weaker than he really is. And as for Savage, they make him so OP. in reality, Kenobi could've crushed him. The only reason Savage was so strong is because of story and he was rising on a tidal wave of hatred, which fueled him. Did you see how fatigued he was at the end of Witches of the Mist? (I think that's the episode). He was so close to death from his great exertion. It allowed him to badly beat Anakin, Kenobi, and droids (although most of them were unprepared for this threat) but the results were near death. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 23, 2013 18:33:04 GMT -5
Grievous didn't really beat Obi-Wan in ROTS. If anything Obi-Wan crushed him. Grievous got his butt handed to him in the lightsaber duel and ended up running away. Speaking of which, Mace even said in ROTS that Grievous is a coward. He's killed some jedi, sure, but they're probably jedi like Nahdar. And we know Grievous likes to brag about things and over exaggerate.
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 18:56:44 GMT -5
Grievous didn't really beat Obi-Wan in ROTS. If anything Obi-Wan crushed him. Grievous got his butt handed to him in the lightsaber duel and ended up running away. Speaking of which, Mace even said in ROTS that Grievous is a coward. He's killed some jedi, sure, but they're probably jedi like Nahdar. And we know Grievous likes to brag about things and over exaggerate. Well judging from "lair of Grievous" he has a lot of trophies taken from dead Jedi. And he is really strong he threw Kenobi around with ease in ROTS also dented a starship with his fist which was probably a very strong material perhaps durasteal so yes he's very strong. |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2013 18:58:42 GMT -5
Grievous didn't really beat Obi-Wan in ROTS. If anything Obi-Wan crushed him. Grievous got his butt handed to him in the lightsaber duel and ended up running away. Speaking of which, Mace even said in ROTS that Grievous is a coward. He's killed some jedi, sure, but they're probably jedi like Nahdar. And we know Grievous likes to brag about things and over exaggerate. Well judging from "lair of Grievous" he has a lot of trophies taken from dead Jedi. And he is really strong he threw Kenobi around with ease in ROTS also dented a starship with his fist which was probably a very strong material perhaps durasteal so yes he's very strong. Well if were talking about strength, Savage is pretty strong too.. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 19:04:06 GMT -5
Well judging from "lair of Grievous" he has a lot of trophies taken from dead Jedi. And he is really strong he threw Kenobi around with ease in ROTS also dented a starship with his fist which was probably a very strong material perhaps durasteal so yes he's very strong. Well if were talking about strength, Savage is pretty strong too.. Still can't be used as a argument though against Grievous because he can counter it with his own. Grievous is more agile....; no way Savage beats him at all. Grievous also wouldn't get tired for a very long time unlike Savage who would probably be gasping for air after 10 minutes of fighting with that armour on.. If he even lasted a minute... And I don't think Savage would do much with force. Grievous could just magnetize his feet and arms and stuff and probably won't get pushed.... |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2013 19:05:56 GMT -5
Well if were talking about strength, Savage is pretty strong too.. Still can't be used as a argument though against Grievous because he can counter it with his own. Grievous is more agile....; no way Savage beats him at all. Grievous also wouldn't get tired for a very long time unlike Savage who would probably be gasping for air after 10 minutes of fighting with that armour on.. If he even lasted a minute... And I don't think Savage would do much with force. Grievous could just magnetize his feet and arms and stuff and probably won't get pushed.... That's a good point about the magnetic feet...... But theoretically, couldn't Savage crush his lungs or something with the force.. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2013 19:07:17 GMT -5
Still can't be used as a argument though against Grievous because he can counter it with his own. Grievous is more agile....; no way Savage beats him at all. Grievous also wouldn't get tired for a very long time unlike Savage who would probably be gasping for air after 10 minutes of fighting with that armour on.. If he even lasted a minute... And I don't think Savage would do much with force. Grievous could just magnetize his feet and arms and stuff and probably won't get pushed.... That's a good point about the magnetic feet...... But theoretically, couldn't Savage crush his lungs or something with the force.. Theoretically anyone could do that to anyone.... But you never see that happen... If you can crush someone's windpipe you can crush anything inside of someone. |
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