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Post by Spidyyr on Oct 14, 2013 13:44:25 GMT -5
True, but Savage almost killed Ventress in "Revenge" You can't be serious. Savage is an awful Sith. Horrible with a lightsaber and does poorly with the force unless Ventress or Dooku is moaning at him. He's bad, but I think he would last longer than Grievous. |
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Post by Newan on Oct 14, 2013 13:46:01 GMT -5
Vader and Starkiller alone could beat him if they went after him early and don't get tied into other fights. I highly doubt they could kill Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, and Mace Windu... Mace does not count since he technically beat him in saber combat. And I think they both could take the other 3 easily. Anakin killed many Jedi including battle master Cin Drallig. |
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Post by Pinda on Oct 14, 2013 13:48:25 GMT -5
I have a feeling if this actually happened at least 3 people would gang Sidious.... Or they'd team up with Sidious to have better chances of survival... at least at the start of it. |
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Post by Pinda on Oct 14, 2013 13:49:37 GMT -5
I highly doubt they could kill Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, and Mace Windu... Mace does not count since he technically beat him in saber combat. And I think they both could take the other 3 easily. Anakin killed many Jedi including battle master Cin Drallig. Sidious defeated Yoda. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Oct 14, 2013 13:50:39 GMT -5
BTW. Dooku > Mace in lightsaber combat (and probably force combat too)
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Post by Newan on Oct 14, 2013 14:00:49 GMT -5
Mace does not count since he technically beat him in saber combat. And I think they both could take the other 3 easily. Anakin killed many Jedi including battle master Cin Drallig. Sidious defeated Yoda. Arguable and Tater and me had a big debate about this awhile back. Yoda was forced to leave or else backup would have arrived and he would have been killed. He could have continued fighting if he wanted. |
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Post by Kenbo on Oct 14, 2013 14:05:49 GMT -5
Here my list of who will die first..
1. Grievous
2. Savage
3. Ventress
4. Maul
5. Dooku
6. Vader without suit
7. Sidious
I didn't put Starkiller because in what we've seen of him, he can beat all of them even Sidious which he actually did in TFU but if he was normal then I guess he would be somewhere between Ventress and Maul
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 14:20:01 GMT -5
It's all on random guess work to. I mean anything can happen despite who is more powerful than who. Let's say Ventress was one on oone with Maul and during so Savage (the weakest) slices Ventress as she's focused on Maul etc.
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Post by Newan on Oct 14, 2013 14:22:50 GMT -5
Here my list of who will die first.. 1. Grievous 2. Savage 3. Ventress 4. Maul 5. Dooku 6. Vader without suit 7. Sidious I didn't put Starkiller because in what we've seen of him, he can beat all of them even Sidious which he actually did in TFU but if he was normal then I guess he would be somewhere between Ventress and Maul That's kinda the reason I added him in since he's actually pretty even to the emperor. |
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Post by Pinda on Oct 14, 2013 15:28:09 GMT -5
Arguable and Tater and me had a big debate about this awhile back. Yoda was forced to leave or else backup would have arrived and he would have been killed. He could have continued fighting if he wanted. I doubt that. I think he knew he was no match for Sidious. |
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Dec 21, 2013 17:05:41 GMT -5
Savage dying before Grievous? Impossible.
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Dec 21, 2013 17:07:53 GMT -5
I think they'd die in this order: Savage, Grievous, Starkiller (I don't consider his TFU powers canon), Ventress, Maul, Dooku, Vader. And Sidious would win, obviously. Yup. Savage would totally die before Grievous *sarcasm* and I didn't mean to like this... |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 21, 2013 17:11:08 GMT -5
I didn't mean to like this... What? |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2013 17:18:22 GMT -5
I think they'd die in this order: Savage, Grievous, Starkiller (I don't consider his TFU powers canon), Ventress, Maul, Dooku, Vader. And Sidious would win, obviously. Yup. Savage would totally die before Grievous *sarcasm* and I didn't mean to like this... He would. Savage is an untrained animal while Grievous is a well trained skilled warrior. And Savage would get confused when Grievous uses 4 saber at once... he isn't exactly the most intelligent person... |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 21, 2013 18:22:13 GMT -5
Yup. Savage would totally die before Grievous *sarcasm* and I didn't mean to like this... He would. Savage is an untrained animal while Grievous is a well trained skilled warrior. And Savage would get confused when Grievous uses 4 saber at once... he isn't exactly the most intelligent person... But Savage also has the Force and Grievous could be confused with a two bladed lightsaber as well |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 18:33:27 GMT -5
Yup. Savage would totally die before Grievous *sarcasm* and I didn't mean to like this... He would. Savage is an untrained animal while Grievous is a well trained skilled warrior. And Savage would get confused when Grievous uses 4 saber at once... he isn't exactly the most intelligent person... I agree, the force doesn't always mean you have the upper hand. But to me it would depend on whether we are talking about the season 3, untrained Savage or the season 5 Savage. The two were the same person, but like on two totally different levels. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 22, 2013 0:06:14 GMT -5
1. Grievous
2. Savage
3. Starkiller or Ventress (They're on the same level. And no, just because Starkiller was OP in TFU doesn't mean it's true - Ventress killed Jedi too.)
4. Starkiller or Ventress
5. Vader
6. Maul
7. Dooku
8. Sidious
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 22, 2013 8:06:38 GMT -5
I think Vader would beat Maul because it's before Vader got his injuries, Episode 3 Vader beat Cin Drallig, a blademaster, all you see Maul beat is Qui Gon and a few other unimportant, unskilled Jedi.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 22, 2013 8:14:38 GMT -5
I think Vader would beat Maul because it's before Vader got his injuries, Episode 3 Vader beat Cin Drallig, a blademaster, all you see Maul beat is Qui Gon and a few other unimportant, unskilled Jedi. Qui-gon is pretty skilled. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 22, 2013 11:17:55 GMT -5
Yeah Vader would destroy Maul in a 1v1 and Savage and Ventress die before Grievous no way would Grievous be thrown off by a double bladed saber he a cyborg he was actually programmed to analyze and match people's combat styles. Savage is just dumb.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 22, 2013 11:22:00 GMT -5
Yeah Vader would destroy Maul in a 1v1 and Savage and Ventress die before Grievous no way would Grievous be thrown off by a double bladed saber he a cyborg he was actually programmed to analyze and match people's combat styles. Savage is just dumb. Have you seen "Massacre"? Ventress beat Grievous. If not for his droids, he would've died just then. And no, I'm not going to use EU facts - TCW and ROTS themselves showed us that Grievous really isn't that tough. He's also not that strong either.. Savage could just shove him around. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 22, 2013 11:23:20 GMT -5
I think Vader would beat Maul because it's before Vader got his injuries, Episode 3 Vader beat Cin Drallig, a blademaster, all you see Maul beat is Qui Gon and a few other unimportant, unskilled Jedi. I think we're talking about the normal armoured and everything Vader. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 22, 2013 11:24:46 GMT -5
Yeah Vader would destroy Maul in a 1v1 and Savage and Ventress die before Grievous no way would Grievous be thrown off by a double bladed saber he a cyborg he was actually programmed to analyze and match people's combat styles. Savage is just dumb. Have you seen "Massacre"? Ventress beat Grievous. If not for his droids, he would've died just then. And no, I'm not going to use EU facts - TCW and ROTS themselves showed us that Grievous really isn't that tough. They had to make Ventress win just because they where not planning on killing her then anyways. It was a duel shown to build character that he was a coward and wouldn't fight fair and that the Nightsisters die. If they actually fought on neutral ground somewhere Grievous would probably win. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 22, 2013 11:26:59 GMT -5
I still think Savage would do better than Grievous. Savage was able to hold off Dooku AND Ventress at once. Grievous got his metal ass kicked by Ventress.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 22, 2013 11:29:37 GMT -5
Have you seen "Massacre"? Ventress beat Grievous. If not for his droids, he would've died just then. And no, I'm not going to use EU facts - TCW and ROTS themselves showed us that Grievous really isn't that tough. They had to make Ventress win just because they where not planning on killing her then anyways. It was a duel shown to build character that he was a coward and wouldn't fight fair and that the Nightsisters die. If they actually fought on neutral ground somewhere Grievous would probably win. Every duel in all of Star Wars is a needed plot point. For example, Cad Bane vs Obi and Quinlan. I don't think he would've survived that if they didn't need him to. A) Grievous doesn't have the Force. Instant disadvantage, he can't sense attacks. B) He's really not that agile, unlike Ventress. C) He lacks technique. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 22, 2013 11:30:36 GMT -5
I still think Savage would do better than Grievous. Savage was able to hold off Dooku AND Ventress at once. Grievous got his metal ass kicked by Ventress. And Savage also held off against Obi and Anakin once - Grievous got owned by Obi-Wan. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 22, 2013 11:36:24 GMT -5
A few years ago, there was this book with hypothetical SW duels where the fighters were supposed to be on the same level and one of them was Sidious vs Grievous and I was just like  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 1:20:27 GMT -5
You guys savage can hold off people. He holded his won against ventress and dooku when grievous couldn't hold crap against no one. Grevious isn't very skilled. He relies on his bodyguards and his little gun. I think he would get a too late wakeup call by savage. But I think it would be a close match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 1:30:40 GMT -5
You guys remember grevious has 4 fucking arms with four light sabers which is a he advantage, is metal which makes him feel no pain so if someone chopped his arm off he wouldn't get all hurt, has bodyguards, has a gun, yet he still sucks. He has some really good advantages and he still doesn't know how to swing a lightsaber.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2013 2:02:08 GMT -5
Yah, Grievous had to cheat to kill Nahdar Vebb.
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