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Post by Potato on Jul 28, 2018 10:30:19 GMT -5
I like how Cat and Mouse is basically an introduction to Yularen and The Hidden Enemy is basically an introduction to Rex and Cody. Speaking of Yularen, I'm kind of sad he didn't have more episodes centered around him. He had kind of a small part in Storm Over Ryloth, but other than that he just had small parts. Come to think of it, did he even have a speaking role after he got his redesign later on? When did he get his new model? I'd imagine it was Point of No Return with the republic war council? I think I vaguely remember something at that time Yeah I think you're right. It looked nice but it was kind of awkward because it made it seem like he aged a bunch.  |
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Post by Potato on Jul 28, 2018 10:31:17 GMT -5
I know it's just a production error, but I love how Obi-Wan calls Cody "Commander" and then calls him "Captain" literally 10 seconds later. I just imagine Obi-Wan going around and addressing all clones as random ranks and them just going with it. |
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Post by Potato on Jul 28, 2018 10:33:04 GMT -5
I wonder what happened to the stealth ship. I'd assume the prototype was too expensive to produce more, but they at least had that one and an entire crew of clones trained to operate it. It would have been cool to see it again.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 10:42:46 GMT -5
I know it's just a production error, but I love how Obi-Wan calls Cody "Commander" and then calls him "Captain" literally 10 seconds later. I just imagine Obi-Wan going around and addressing all clones as random ranks and them just going with it. Yeah I remember them saying he was originally referring to Rex but they forgot to change it. |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 28, 2018 10:43:13 GMT -5
I know it's just a production error, but I love how Obi-Wan calls Cody "Commander" and then calls him "Captain" literally 10 seconds later. I just imagine Obi-Wan going around and addressing all clones as random ranks and them just going with it. Honestly, I caught the mistake but I thought I just confused Rex's face with Cody's in the previous shot, so I assume he was just talking to Rex. |
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Post by squiggy on Jul 28, 2018 10:46:23 GMT -5
So it would seem  Nobody is truely dead. Mace survives in another 10 years as a spinoff movie once they run out of ideas. This just in, Ben wasn’t killed by Vader it was an illusion prank he pulled like Houdini. Spoiler: Ben will be in episode 9 |
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Post by squiggy on Jul 28, 2018 10:48:05 GMT -5
Alright enough sarcasm for one day time to go watch the other two parts. Unto the movie! No wait, Hidden enemy first.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 11:06:42 GMT -5
One of the things that always bugged me was that Trench needed to lower his shields in order to fire missiles. This doesn’t seem that realistic for a command ship. Just feels a little too convenient for me. Anyway the episode was pretty good, though I remember liking it better. The ship is really cool. Trench is good. One thing I noticed is that Anakin was a little whinier with lines like “Oh, so I’m still the delivery boy?” and Obi-Wan is a little bit more like Episode II in how he talks to him. It was a nice touch and it shows how having Ahsoka there changed their relationship and made them equals. I also like to think that Obi-Wan put in the request for a padawan during this episode to give Anakin more responsibility. If we’re saying 5/10 is average, I’m gonna give it a 6/10 for being a little over average. This may seem kinda low but I want to leave plenty of space for how good this show gets later.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 11:08:07 GMT -5
Also the submarine-like concept is something I really like. It works well for this.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 11:12:37 GMT -5
And I find it funny that the episode is based on WWII warfare but the villains name is a type of WWI warfare.
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 11:29:26 GMT -5
I mean Maul was cut in half and fell incredibly deep and survived and yet mace fell out a window with just an arm cut off and he doesn’t, what a stretch. Well if I recall... Anakin stabs Trench through the chest with a Lightsaber and then his ship blows up or something. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 11:30:36 GMT -5
When did he get his new model? I'd imagine it was Point of No Return with the republic war council? I think I vaguely remember something at that time Yeah I think you're right. It looked nice but it was kind of awkward because it made it seem like he aged a bunch. They gave him white hair or something right? Yeah that would be awkward... should have just saved it for his Rebels model but I guess they didn't know at the time |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 11:33:10 GMT -5
One of the things that always bugged me was that Trench needed to lower his shields in order to fire missiles. This doesn’t seem that realistic for a command ship. Just feels a little too convenient for me. Anyway the episode was pretty good, though I remember liking it better. The ship is really cool. Trench is good. One thing I noticed is that Anakin was a little whinier with lines like “Oh, so I’m still the delivery boy?” and Obi-Wan is a little bit more like Episode II in how he talks to him. It was a nice touch and it shows how having Ahsoka there changed their relationship and made them equals. I also like to think that Obi-Wan put in the request for a padawan during this episode to give Anakin more responsibility. If we’re saying 5/10 is average, I’m gonna give it a 6/10 for being a little over average. This may seem kinda low but I want to leave plenty of space for how good this show gets later. Actually the shield thing is pretty common in Star Wars. At least in The Old Republic era stuff (which was canon at the time of TCW). But yeah ships just don't have enough power to sustain defense and offense I guess is the explanation. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 12:33:19 GMT -5
One of the things that always bugged me was that Trench needed to lower his shields in order to fire missiles. This doesn’t seem that realistic for a command ship. Just feels a little too convenient for me. Anyway the episode was pretty good, though I remember liking it better. The ship is really cool. Trench is good. One thing I noticed is that Anakin was a little whinier with lines like “Oh, so I’m still the delivery boy?” and Obi-Wan is a little bit more like Episode II in how he talks to him. It was a nice touch and it shows how having Ahsoka there changed their relationship and made them equals. I also like to think that Obi-Wan put in the request for a padawan during this episode to give Anakin more responsibility. If we’re saying 5/10 is average, I’m gonna give it a 6/10 for being a little over average. This may seem kinda low but I want to leave plenty of space for how good this show gets later. Actually the shield thing is pretty common in Star Wars. At least in The Old Republic era stuff (which was canon at the time of TCW). But yeah ships just don't have enough power to sustain defense and offense I guess is the explanation. Like I get that with a small ship but it seems like a command ship would have more than enough power to do both. IDK. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 12:46:51 GMT -5
I remember that before The Hidden Enemy, I had a theory that the traitor was Boba Fett and he must have infiltrated the ranks. I guess I didn’t realize Boba would look the same as he did in AOTC and there was no way he’d be able to do that. Anyway, the episode is pretty good and it establishes pretty well that the clones are individuals, even if Rookies did it first (in order of release) and maybe a bit better. The concept of a clone being a traitor is interesting though, certainly the most interesting of the various betrayals in Season 1. I really didn’t think a clone could do that, which is why I thought it has to be Boba or some other outside force. So that kinda opens up why they would need the bio chips for Order 66. The opening battle was good. The Ventress fight was alright. Not much tension obviously but it was only supposed to be a distraction so that’s okay. Btw Slick did a lot of damage. Like fuck he probably killed more people than Barriss. Anyway the episode was alright. 5/10 for average.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 28, 2018 13:44:32 GMT -5
Actually the shield thing is pretty common in Star Wars. At least in The Old Republic era stuff (which was canon at the time of TCW). But yeah ships just don't have enough power to sustain defense and offense I guess is the explanation. Like I get that with a small ship but it seems like a command ship would have more than enough power to do both. IDK. I think it's a common sci fi trope, can't fire with shields up. Star Trek has it too I'm pretty sure |
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Post by Star on Jul 28, 2018 13:53:20 GMT -5
Actually the shield thing is pretty common in Star Wars. At least in The Old Republic era stuff (which was canon at the time of TCW). But yeah ships just don't have enough power to sustain defense and offense I guess is the explanation. Like I get that with a small ship but it seems like a command ship would have more than enough power to do both. IDK. I see what you're saying, but some of the technology in Star Wars is a little strange. They always communicate via holograms, when you'd think they'd be able to do better than that. I just assume it's they use holograms since intergalactic communication is probably much more difficult than what we have on Earth. |
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Post by Star on Jul 28, 2018 13:57:02 GMT -5
After thinking back to it more, I lowered my ranking for The Hidden Enemy to 7/10. It's good, but nothing amazing. Cat and Mouse I'd keep at 9/10 for now, I think it's a strong episode. As for the movie, I'm sticking with 6/10, but mainly because the Christophsis and Dooku scenes salvage it. Plus I like some of the dialogue.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 14:24:43 GMT -5
Everybody knows that TCW Movie was four episodes that were meshed together. But what most people don’t know is that the Battle of Christophsis segment entitled “The New Padawan” was actually produced much later than the Hutt storyline that compromises the rest of the movie. Those three episodes (the Castle trilogy) were among the first things to be produced, but the opening episode has the production number of 1.18. This may explain why it’s a bit better in its execution. The Battle of Christophsis is the best part of the movie. It’s probably the simplest battle in the entire show (two armies march at each other in a straight line) yet it has enough fun moments to keep it entertaining. The Battle of Teth opens pretty well. The AT-TEs scaling the monestary is one the most visually interesting sequences in The Clone Wars. Of course after that, it kinda meanders a bit. The Battle continues when Obi and Ventress show up, but there’s no clear objective and it’s hard to tell where the battle is going. Things of course get better on Tatooine, although I have no idea where Anakin got those rocks to fool Dooku. It’s a good fight. The Ahsoka v Magnaguards is alright too. It good how she has to get the jump on them by surprising them or using their weapons against them. It’s good that they don’t make her magically awesome at fighting. But of course, this is where the movie decides to add in a last minute villain, in the form of Ziro. I really don’t know why they felt the need to have this, but maybe they just really wanted to have Padme and C-3PO in the film. Anyway this shit is pretty useless. I don’t know why Dooku would need Ziro’s help. As Darth Maul points out, everyone knows where Jabba lives so I don’t see what information Ziro could give Dooku either. Anyway, this is probably the most hated part of the movie and it’s easy to see why. But that’s the story. The best thing this movie does is the character relationships. Anakin and Obi-Wan are actually shown the way they were described in ANH, and I really like the interations between Anakin and Ahsoka and it sets them up well It’s emotional every single time I hear Ahsoka’s theme after watching Season 5, and I love it when Anakin quotes Qui-Gon to her. The movie gets this relationship right, and in the context of the show, that’s really the most important thing the movie has to accomplish. The movie’s not that good but it’s not that bad. It sets up the show nicely but it does little to stand on its own. The characters are good but the story they’re in isn’t. Emotions are there but often buried in cringe. 4/10
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 14:35:37 GMT -5
Actually the shield thing is pretty common in Star Wars. At least in The Old Republic era stuff (which was canon at the time of TCW). But yeah ships just don't have enough power to sustain defense and offense I guess is the explanation. Like I get that with a small ship but it seems like a command ship would have more than enough power to do both. IDK. Should be fairly equivalent tbh. Takes more to power systems on a command ship. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 14:35:56 GMT -5
Another thing I have to add to my The Hidden Enemy review: Chopper’s necklace battle droid fingers were a clear reference to war crimes committed by American soldiers during the Vietnam War. In the war, soldiers of the “Tiger Force” made necklaces out of the ears of killed Viet Cong soldiers. It was interesting to the show reference something that disturbing and controversial, but I don’t think it works here because the Droids aren’t living people. If they wanted to do something parallel to those necklaces, they should have tried it with Umbarans or something similar.
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 14:36:28 GMT -5
After thinking back to it more, I lowered my ranking for The Hidden Enemy to 7.5/10. It's good, but nothing amazing. Cat and Mouse I'd keep at 9/10, I think it's a strong episode. As for the movie, I'm sticking with 6/10, but mainly because the Christophsis and Dooku scenes salvage it. Plus I like some of the dialogue. Yeah I think maybe Hidden Enemy is a 7/10 for me, not sure. Cat and Mouse is easily 9/10. TCW movie can stay at 6/10 |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -5
Also with shields that strong you might not even be able to fire your weapons without lowering your shields otherwise you might just shoot yourself. I assume the shields work both ways. Which would mean in order to fire with the shields up you would have to have no shielding over the torpedo bays... which is a clear flaw as well
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 14:42:36 GMT -5
Also with shields that strong you might not even be able to fire your weapons without lowering your shields otherwise you might just shoot yourself. I assume the shields work both ways. Which would mean in order to fire with the shields up you would have to have no shielding over the torpedo bays... which is a clear flaw as well I believe the lasers were able to fire fine though. And you think he’d be able to keep the shields on the bridge up at least. I don’t know, it just seemed like a conveniently unfortunate design. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jul 28, 2018 14:47:18 GMT -5
Dang it, I'm already behind today. Then again, it is the movie I'm watching next, so maybe I've been unconsciously trying to put off till later |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 16:19:10 GMT -5
Also with shields that strong you might not even be able to fire your weapons without lowering your shields otherwise you might just shoot yourself. I assume the shields work both ways. Which would mean in order to fire with the shields up you would have to have no shielding over the torpedo bays... which is a clear flaw as well I believe the lasers were able to fire fine though. And you think he’d be able to keep the shields on the bridge up at least. I don’t know, it just seemed like a conveniently unfortunate design. The lasers fired after he fired the tracking torpedoes the first time (Anakin used the flares the first time). So the shields were lowered. But I think it was a universal design because Anakin knew about it |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 16:22:19 GMT -5
But the thermal shields were probably unique in that they had to recharge as well. Probably the more kinetic force against it the more it took from its charge
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 28, 2018 16:59:34 GMT -5
I know it's just a production error, but I love how Obi-Wan calls Cody "Commander" and then calls him "Captain" literally 10 seconds later. I just imagine Obi-Wan going around and addressing all clones as random ranks and them just going with it. I don't get their little errors like that like that is pretty easy to fix. Or rather it's not hard to mess up.... I wonder if they were just lazy or what Pretty sure there were more instances of the rank swap in season 1. Not sure what they were doing.. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 17:19:39 GMT -5
I know it's just a production error, but I love how Obi-Wan calls Cody "Commander" and then calls him "Captain" literally 10 seconds later. I just imagine Obi-Wan going around and addressing all clones as random ranks and them just going with it. I don't get their little errors like that like that is pretty easy to fix. Or rather it's not hard to mess up.... I wonder if they were just lazy or what Pretty sure there were more instances of the rank swap in season 1. Not sure what they were doing.. I wouldn't say season 1 was the highest standard of production Just wait until Downfall of a Droid... Very bad animation |
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Post by Star on Jul 28, 2018 20:56:48 GMT -5
I thought the AT-TEs scaling the wall were very cool, but besides that, there's not much of interest on Teth. Even the dialogue seemed to be weaker in these scenes compared to the beginning and end.
I was also surprised by how poor the animation was for most of the movie compared to later seasons. Really shows how far the series came along in many aspects.
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