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Post by Kenbo on Jul 26, 2018 22:13:06 GMT -5
Watched The Hidden Enemy. Damn Ventress kinda thicc 😩😍😜 I like how she and Obi-Wan always flirt although I kinda think they should've done that with Anakin instead. It's funny how Obi-Wan always has repartee with pretty much everyone he meets... Should've given more of that to Anakin tbh make him like a ladies man.
I would think they program Clones with loyalty so I wonder if Slick's chip had a fault or something... A couple other things from the episode I did not notice before was Rex and Cody saw his footprint on the table which is how they knew he was in the vent. I kinda just thought they saw or heard him or something...And they played the AOTC speeder chase music during their fight. Usually they don't use movie music. Also kicking droids off STAP's has to be Anakin and Obi-Wan's signature move lol
Say what you will about TCW's early episodes, they certainly were not boring. (Well most of them)
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 26, 2018 22:18:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised they kept adding onto the Christophsis battle. Like Cat and Mouse and Hidden Enemy could've been on different planets and it would've made no difference. Maybe they wanted to reuse assets or something. It's cool planet in concept though. But honestly what are they fighting over, fucking turquoise? Lol
Looking forward to the movie now. Seeing Christophsis made the nostalgia hit again. I remember playing some clone trooper game on sw.com that had levels on Christophsis and Teth. Good times.
I actually just realized Anakin doesn't even know Ahsoka exists yet. Watching chronologically is cool
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 22:43:22 GMT -5
Do we post memes here because I think I got one from cat and mouse... lol But anyways I started a little early. Well I guess not really that early... But Cat and Mouse is a solid episode. They always did the proper war episodes really well. Besides this, Shadow of Malevolence, and Storm over Ryloth I don't think they really did any other proper space battle episodes unless I'm forgetting something. You're right newan, 3 cruisers is not enough to engage an entire blockade... And then Obi-Wan comes in with just one more cruiser... They kinda had one in Duel of the Droids as well I guess.... but yeah I think they said it was too much effort to do lots of space battles and to make them interesting. What kinda bothers me is that in Storm Over Ryloth they also engage with 3 cruisers and they get destroyed, and I think there was less ships in the blockade as well. Then again a lot of that was Ahsoka fault and her poor leadership . Also you are not early, we started early intentionally because this is the first week and it's the week with the most episodes |
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 22:46:06 GMT -5
Okay but I actually really have to praise TCW team for this one, it was so original. Like submarine warfare in Star Wars? Thank you, Dave, very cool! They did a great job with the suspense and stuff with the countdowns and whatnot. I remember in an interview or something they said the idea of that ship stemmed from the scene in TESB where they're looking for the Falcon and they say "No ship that small has a cloaking device". Anakin even says that in this episode. But tbh i feel like it makes more sense for small ships to have a cloaker... Like I can't see something star destroyer sized being able to cloak... idk. We haven't really seen that. Might've been a good tactic for the Resitance in TLJ.... lol Oh yeah I wanted to say this as well but the whole Submarine feel of the episode was really cool. Certainly a unique episode. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 22:48:37 GMT -5
Trench cheating death twice is kinda odd though... So Yularen fought him before the Clone Wars at Malastare Narrows. The battle was between the Republic and the Corporate Alliance apparently. They give some more background in a guide book but it seems to be Legends now. Basically there was a dispute over fuel and then they went to war...... I think a lawsuit or something is more reasonable instead of a military conflict but okay lol I think it was made out to be a similar conflict as the trade federation and Naboo or something... But Trench probably just used an escape pod the first time, this time his body was probably recovered in space or something. Kinda like the apprentice in TFU, it's been established that death by space suffocation is somehow revivable in Star Wars. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 22:52:29 GMT -5
I just like the whole 1v1 aspect of Cat and Mouse. Trench is obviously a worthy adversary unlike most the Jedi would face in TCW. He's like a Thrawn lite I guess  |
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 23:18:26 GMT -5
Speaking of military commanders I wonder what side Thrawn would have choose if he decided to get involved earlier. My guess is he would have likely joined the Republic and Palpatine would have expressed personal interest due to his background similar to his canon empire story. Although Thrawn would likely see the Clones as unfit soldiers since they lack any real individuality and he would likely see the Droids as unworthy opponents. But still Thrawn did meet Anakin at some point in the new books, need to start reading the newest book tbh.
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 23:24:39 GMT -5
Anyways time to watch the next episode  |
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 23:51:35 GMT -5
Watched The Hidden Enemy. Damn Ventress kinda thicc 😩😍😜 I like how she and Obi-Wan always flirt although I kinda think they should've done that with Anakin instead. It's funny how Obi-Wan always has repartee with pretty much everyone he meets... Should've given more of that to Anakin tbh make him like a ladies man. I would think they program Clones with loyalty so I wonder if Slick's chip had a fault or something... A couple other things from the episode I did not notice before was Rex and Cody saw his footprint on the table which is how they knew he was in the vent. I kinda just thought they saw or heard him or something...And they played the AOTC speeder chase music during their fight. Usually they don't use movie music. Also kicking droids off STAP's has to be Anakin and Obi-Wan's signature move lol Say what you will about TCW's early episodes, they certainly were not boring. (Well most of them) Had to go back and see but yeah I've never noticed the footprint either before... I figured they just saw him or they just guessed he was in the vent cause there was nowhere really else to go in that room. Although Anakin and Obi-Wan at the start kinda just disappear out of the command center, it didn't look like they used the same entrance as Rex and Cody. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 23:54:38 GMT -5
I'm going to give The Hidden Enemy an 8/10. It's a decent storyline although using the "traitor" narrative multiple times in season 1 is really weird in some ways. Like R3 was a spy, that senate commando was a traitor and then there was also Slick. But seriously guys how are you so surprised the guy named Slick is the traitor lol.
Oh and I guess the Rodian senator was a traitor too kind of.... they used that 4 times in season 1 lol
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 23:57:53 GMT -5
Also going back to the military discussion, it looks like Christophis did have an organized planet military or something during the opening narration. Although the planet might have been a neutral world.
We don't get to see much of General Loathsome either, would have liked to see him in more episodes. I know this is really far in the future but having the Separatists fail to rescue the prisoners in Crisis on Naboo is actually such a Potato is Awesome up... and we wouldn't even have seen that happen judging by the plans they had for the last 2.5 seasons. I'd argue this is the biggest failure of the show
Edit: Then again it must have happened off screen cause Wat Tambor is in the Bad Batch.
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Post by Newan on Jul 26, 2018 23:59:32 GMT -5
Yeah not as much to say about this one, it's not as intriguing as Cat and Mouse I guess. Its a pretty straight forward plot, not too much inspiration like the submarine stuff of Cat and Mouse for example.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2018 0:20:44 GMT -5
I'm going to give The Hidden Enemy an 8/10. It's a decent storyline although using the "traitor" narrative multiple times in season 1 is really weird in some ways. Like R3 was a spy, that senate commando was a traitor and then there was also Slick. But seriously guys how are you so surprised the guy named Slick is the traitor lol. Oh and I guess the Rodian senator was a traitor too kind of.... they used that 4 times in season 1 lol Yeah that's very repetitive. And Ventress was again involved with the commando. I wonder if they had some plans for a story about her involving all the traitors ... Probably just a coincidence though |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 1:01:57 GMT -5
I'm going to give The Hidden Enemy an 8/10. It's a decent storyline although using the "traitor" narrative multiple times in season 1 is really weird in some ways. Like R3 was a spy, that senate commando was a traitor and then there was also Slick. But seriously guys how are you so surprised the guy named Slick is the traitor lol. Oh and I guess the Rodian senator was a traitor too kind of.... they used that 4 times in season 1 lol Yeah that's very repetitive. And Ventress was again involved with the commando. I wonder if they had some plans for a story about her involving all the traitors ... Probably just a coincidence though Main reason Season 1 is kinda weird in hindsight is that's it's basically just a different separatist leader every Episode/ arc and then we never see them again for the most part other then the main ones like Grievous, Dooku and Ventress. But seriously other then Rookies and like Trespass that's basically the entire season. I like the separatist leaders but they just seem like throwaways to the producers. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jul 27, 2018 5:09:44 GMT -5
I got to Cat and Mouse as well. Having seen it again, I really appreciate how old school it played things with the whole submarine parallel. The music reflected that too, which is nice. What's weird though is that the cloaking ship is A) not used again, despite its obvious brilliance and B) seemingly never put into full production. Whatever though, I quite liked the episode.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2018 9:51:53 GMT -5
I got to Cat and Mouse as well. Having seen it again, I really appreciate how old school it played things with the whole submarine parallel. The music reflected that too, which is nice. What's weird though is that the cloaking ship is A) not used again, despite its obvious brilliance and B) seemingly never put into full production. Whatever though, I quite liked the episode. Yeah you'd think if the technology exists they'd use it more. Unless it's really expensive. But it's also kinda op... |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 12:00:32 GMT -5
I got to Cat and Mouse as well. Having seen it again, I really appreciate how old school it played things with the whole submarine parallel. The music reflected that too, which is nice. What's weird though is that the cloaking ship is A) not used again, despite its obvious brilliance and B) seemingly never put into full production. Whatever though, I quite liked the episode. Well Tarkin used a similar ship that he based off the one in this episode as his personal ship post ROTJ, its in the Tarkin novel. But that's the only other application I can think of. It likely wasn't worth the cost of development and Clones likely weren't good enough to use the ship effectively kinda like Trench was getting at |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 12:20:01 GMT -5
Well time to go watch the movie very soon... this may be the least enjoyable part of the rewatch.
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Post by squiggy on Jul 27, 2018 12:33:35 GMT -5
I have tomorrow off from work. I’ll watch the movie tonight, the episodes tomorrow and weigh in. I haven’t really rewatched the entire series ever to be honest just intermediate episodes here and there on Netlfix from time to time so this should be good.
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 14:18:18 GMT -5
Since we kind of have to rate the movie as a whole I'm going to give it a 6/10... maybe an argument can be made for 7/10. However if the movie was released as episodes then the first 25 minutes on Christophis is actually pretty good and when fitted together with Cat and Mouse and Hidden Enemy it would probably get an 8/10. The final sequence on Tatooine and Coruscant would also be an 8/10. Kenbo was right the fight between Anakin and Dooku is actually pretty good, easily one of the best Lightsaber fights in the early seasons. Christopher Lee as Dooku is brilliant as well. As for the other like 50 minutes of the movie in between Christophis and Tatooine, all of it is pretty bad and that's what brings it down to a 6. It's really all filler and the Teth stuff was way too drawn out. Just some random things but where did that Jedi Starfigter come from when Anakin is talking to Kenobi at the monastery. I assume maybe it was Anakins fighter? But it wasn't his normal yellow, and we see in the opening narration sequence that Anakin had a yellow Delta 7 fighter. Also I never noticed that the fat trandoshan that kidnaps R2 can be seen in Ziro's Cantina. I'm sure there's a lot of little things in Ziro's Cantina that I missed though. It's kinda odd thinking that the Ziro arc is actually 4 episodes when you put all of it together.... |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 14:22:06 GMT -5
So yeah Cat and Mouse: 9/10
Hidden Enemy: 8/10
TCW movie: 6/10
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2018 15:53:57 GMT -5
Since we kind of have to rate the movie as a whole I'm going to give it a 6/10... maybe an argument can be made for 7/10. However if the movie was released as episodes then the first 25 minutes on Christophis is actually pretty good and when fitted together with Cat and Mouse and Hidden Enemy it would probably get an 8/10. The final sequence on Tatooine and Coruscant would also be an 8/10. Kenbo was right the fight between Anakin and Dooku is actually pretty good, easily one of the best Lightsaber fights in the early seasons. Christopher Lee as Dooku is brilliant as well. As for the other like 50 minutes of the movie in between Christophis and Tatooine, all of it is pretty bad and that's what brings it down to a 6. It's really all filler and the Teth stuff was way too drawn out. Just some random things but where did that Jedi Starfigter come from when Anakin is talking to Kenobi at the monastery. I assume maybe it was Anakins fighter? But it wasn't his normal yellow, and we see in the opening narration sequence that Anakin had a yellow Delta 7 fighter. Also I never noticed that the fat trandoshan that kidnaps R2 can be seen in Ziro's Cantina. I'm sure there's a lot of little things in Ziro's Cantina that I missed though. It's kinda odd thinking that the Ziro arc is actually 4 episodes when you put all of it together.... Yeah that starfighter thing has always bugged me.. I think the movie (and early TCW in general) had lots of errors like that, Rex missing his kama, etc. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 16:36:23 GMT -5
Since we kind of have to rate the movie as a whole I'm going to give it a 6/10... maybe an argument can be made for 7/10. However if the movie was released as episodes then the first 25 minutes on Christophis is actually pretty good and when fitted together with Cat and Mouse and Hidden Enemy it would probably get an 8/10. The final sequence on Tatooine and Coruscant would also be an 8/10. Kenbo was right the fight between Anakin and Dooku is actually pretty good, easily one of the best Lightsaber fights in the early seasons. Christopher Lee as Dooku is brilliant as well. As for the other like 50 minutes of the movie in between Christophis and Tatooine, all of it is pretty bad and that's what brings it down to a 6. It's really all filler and the Teth stuff was way too drawn out. Just some random things but where did that Jedi Starfigter come from when Anakin is talking to Kenobi at the monastery. I assume maybe it was Anakins fighter? But it wasn't his normal yellow, and we see in the opening narration sequence that Anakin had a yellow Delta 7 fighter. Also I never noticed that the fat trandoshan that kidnaps R2 can be seen in Ziro's Cantina. I'm sure there's a lot of little things in Ziro's Cantina that I missed though. It's kinda odd thinking that the Ziro arc is actually 4 episodes when you put all of it together.... Yeah that starfighter thing has always bugged me.. I think the movie (and early TCW in general) had lots of errors like that, Rex missing his kama, etc. I think the budget was just really bad in the first couple seasons as well. I don't think George bought into paying for lots of the show yet. Like I remember watching a behind the scenes for the Blue Shadow Virus stuff and they were talking about how they didn't have the budget to do Naboo guards or something and that the Hazmat suits literally took the last of their budget. So I guess they borrowed random things and stuck them in where needed at times |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 16:36:27 GMT -5
I've only seen the movie twice I think, and both times were before S5 aired. Watching the previous two episodes brought back good memories and made me kind of excited to rewatch the movie, but I'm sure my enthusiasm will vanish after the first 30 mins...
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 16:37:26 GMT -5
I've only seen the movie twice I think, and both times were before S5 aired. Watching the previous two episodes brought back good memories and made me kind of excited to rewatch the movie, but I'm sure my enthusiasm will vanish after the first 30 mins... The first 30 minutes actually do get you kind of into it though... and then it becomes boring at Teth |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 16:42:16 GMT -5
Yeah that's very repetitive. And Ventress was again involved with the commando. I wonder if they had some plans for a story about her involving all the traitors ... Probably just a coincidence though Main reason Season 1 is kinda weird in hindsight is that's it's basically just a different separatist leader every Episode/ arc and then we never see them again for the most part other then the main ones like Grievous, Dooku and Ventress. But seriously other then Rookies and like Trespass that's basically the entire season. I like the separatist leaders but they just seem like throwaways to the producers. I wish they had kept a few other Separatist leaders as recurring characters. Realistically, I get that there's a multitude of leaders in a conflict of this scale, but it would've been neat to see at least a couple return for a few arcs. Trench was the only one besides the main 3 that returned with a major role still I think. The rest were either forgotten or only referenced. |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 16:43:39 GMT -5
I've only seen the movie twice I think, and both times were before S5 aired. Watching the previous two episodes brought back good memories and made me kind of excited to rewatch the movie, but I'm sure my enthusiasm will vanish after the first 30 mins... The first 30 minutes actually do get you kind of into it though... and then it becomes boring at Teth I only really remember the beginning of the movie. So while the middle may be boring, at least it will feel mostly "new" to me. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 16:44:39 GMT -5
The first 30 minutes actually do get you kind of into it though... and then it becomes boring at Teth I only really remember the beginning of the movie. So while the middle may be boring, at least it will feel mostly "new" to me. It will be about as exciting as watching Sunny day in the void for the first time... except watch it 3 times in a row |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 16:46:59 GMT -5
Watched The Hidden Enemy. Damn Ventress kinda thicc 😩😍😜 I like how she and Obi-Wan always flirt although I kinda think they should've done that with Anakin instead. It's funny how Obi-Wan always has repartee with pretty much everyone he meets... Should've given more of that to Anakin tbh make him like a ladies man. I would think they program Clones with loyalty so I wonder if Slick's chip had a fault or something... A couple other things from the episode I did not notice before was Rex and Cody saw his footprint on the table which is how they knew he was in the vent. I kinda just thought they saw or heard him or something...And they played the AOTC speeder chase music during their fight. Usually they don't use movie music. Also kicking droids off STAP's has to be Anakin and Obi-Wan's signature move lol Say what you will about TCW's early episodes, they certainly were not boring. (Well most of them) I like that Obi-Wan has a history with a lot of the people he confronts. His flirting with Ventress was always amusing, and I think it fits well with his portrayal in the prequels. One of the strongest aspects of S1-S2 was definitely the variety of stories. Even if several of them weren't super interesting, they did a lot to expand the world of Star Wars. |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 16:49:26 GMT -5
I only really remember the beginning of the movie. So while the middle may be boring, at least it will feel mostly "new" to me. It will be about as exciting as watching Sunny day in the void for the first time... except watch it 3 times in a row My main enjoyment will probably result from knowing how the movie ties into future episodes of TCW. Other than that, I won't have much. |
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