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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 16:54:25 GMT -5
Main reason Season 1 is kinda weird in hindsight is that's it's basically just a different separatist leader every Episode/ arc and then we never see them again for the most part other then the main ones like Grievous, Dooku and Ventress. But seriously other then Rookies and like Trespass that's basically the entire season. I like the separatist leaders but they just seem like throwaways to the producers. I wish they had kept a few other Separatist leaders as recurring characters. Realistically, I get that there's a multitude of leaders in a conflict of this scale, but it would've been neat to see at least a couple return for a few arcs. Trench was the only one besides the main 3 that returned with a major role still I think. The rest were either forgotten or only referenced. Well thinking about it Trench wast onlt reused because he wasn't captured. But again Tambor was in Bad Batch so at least some leaders were rescued by the time of season 7... it was just off screen |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 17:08:48 GMT -5
I wish they had kept a few other Separatist leaders as recurring characters. Realistically, I get that there's a multitude of leaders in a conflict of this scale, but it would've been neat to see at least a couple return for a few arcs. Trench was the only one besides the main 3 that returned with a major role still I think. The rest were either forgotten or only referenced. Well thinking about it Trench wast onlt reused because he wasn't captured. But again Tambor was in Bad Batch so at least some leaders were rescued by the time of season 7... it was just off screen At least there's somewhat of an in-universe reason for them not reappearing. But it still would've been cool to recycle a few more of them, and if they had done Outer Rim Sieges arcs or at least small scenes pertaining to them, then that would've been perfect. I'm not asking for arcs centered around them, just an appearance to remind us that they're still prominent in the Separatist war effort. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2018 17:42:37 GMT -5
Well thinking about it Trench wast onlt reused because he wasn't captured. But again Tambor was in Bad Batch so at least some leaders were rescued by the time of season 7... it was just off screen I'm not asking for arcs centered around them, just an appearance to remind us that they're still prominent in the Separatist war effort. They probably would've made some lame political arc about that though lol |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 18:51:19 GMT -5
I think TCW probably just needed more real battles and less personal stories tbh... or at least a good mix like Umbara
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 19:12:14 GMT -5
I think TCW probably just needed more real battles and less personal stories tbh... or at least a good mix like Umbara I liked the mix for each episode, but the later seasons didn't give as many episodes centered around battles, which was disappointing. Even if the stories were more like the Citadel, that still would've been pretty good. I guess it's tougher to make episodes focused on battles without them becoming repetitive. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 19:13:57 GMT -5
I think TCW probably just needed more real battles and less personal stories tbh... or at least a good mix like Umbara I liked the mix for each episode, but the later seasons didn't give as many episodes centered around battles, which was disappointing. Even if the stories were more like the Citadel, that still would've been pretty good. I guess it's tougher to make episodes focused on battles without them becoming repetitive. Even just standalone or 2 part arcs for a battle would be decent IMO. I wanted to see some outer rim sieges but doesn't look like there was much plans for that |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 19:19:05 GMT -5
I liked the mix for each episode, but the later seasons didn't give as many episodes centered around battles, which was disappointing. Even if the stories were more like the Citadel, that still would've been pretty good. I guess it's tougher to make episodes focused on battles without them becoming repetitive. Even just standalone or 2 part arcs for a battle would be decent IMO. I wanted to see some outer rim sieges but doesn't look like there was much plans for that I really wanted Outer Rim Sieges too, or at least episodes like Umbara and Ryloth. If Maul hadn't been brought back, I feel like we would've had some. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 27, 2018 19:22:09 GMT -5
Even just standalone or 2 part arcs for a battle would be decent IMO. I wanted to see some outer rim sieges but doesn't look like there was much plans for that I really wanted Outer Rim Sieges too, or at least episodes like Umbara and Ryloth. If Maul hadn't been brought back, I feel like we would've had some. I thought it was odd that the Felucia battle was so early in the war when we see it again in ROTS. |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 19:27:11 GMT -5
I really wanted Outer Rim Sieges too, or at least episodes like Umbara and Ryloth. If Maul hadn't been brought back, I feel like we would've had some. I thought it was odd that the Felucia battle was so early in the war when we see it again in ROTS. I don't think it's that strange. It's possible the battle raged on for the entirety of the war. Or perhaps the Felucia battle in ROTS is a second attempt at maintaining Republic control over the surface. |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 27, 2018 20:22:44 GMT -5
Just watched Cat and Mouse and The Hidden Enemy.
Cat and Mouse is a bit of a weird chronological introduction to the series. It is implied this is the first time Anakin and Yularen work together, but Yularen is barely introduced. I see why they did not pick this episode as the actual first episode, Ambush introduced the series much better.
I like Trench. He is not as overtly evil as the other separatist officers.
The Hidden Enemy is kind of meh. A clone traitor is interesting... but his motivations are not explored enough. The duel between Anakin and Obi-wan and Ventress is completely pointless to the plot.
I find it weird that Ventress says General Loathsom should keep the Jedi occupied so she can execute Dooku's plan (kidnapping Rotta and blaming the Jedi). Loathsom only occupies Anakin and Obi-wan, not the entirety of the Jedi. So how is this part of Dooku's plan? Yoda and Mace are probably just chilling on Coruscant, they are not distracted... Obi-wan and Anakin are not the only Jedi in the universe that matter.
I would say:
Cat and Mouse: 6,5/10
The Hidden Enemy: 6/10
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Post by Pinda on Jul 27, 2018 20:27:00 GMT -5
Here is my meme: "When Disney announces new episodes of the Clone Wars just after Solo flopped."  |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 21:45:41 GMT -5
Just watched Cat and Mouse and The Hidden Enemy. Cat and Mouse is a bit of a weird chronological introduction to the series. It is implied this is the first time Anakin and Yularen work together, but Yularen is barely introduced. I see why they did not pick this episode as the actual first episode, Ambush introduced the series much better. I like Trench. He is not as overtly evil as the other separatist officers. The Hidden Enemy is kind of meh. A clone traitor is interesting... but his motivations are not explored enough. The duel between Anakin and Obi-wan and Ventress is completely pointless to the plot. I find it weird that Ventress says General Loathsom should keep the Jedi occupied so she can execute Dooku's plan (kidnapping Rotta and blaming the Jedi). Loathsom only occupies Anakin and Obi-wan, not the entirety of the Jedi. So how is this part of Dooku's plan? Yoda and Mace are probably just chilling on Coruscant, they are not distracted... Obi-wan and Anakin are not the only Jedi in the universe that matter. I would say: Cat and Mouse: 6,5/10 The Hidden Enemy: 6/10 Wow, you're pretty harsh with rating these two episodes.  I would've liked more exploration about the motives of the clone traitor, but given episodes are 22 minutes long, there's only so much time to cover everything. I thought they managed to explain just enough to give his treason some weight and logic. Sometimes I'd find it annoying how the series would focus so much on Anakin and Obi-Wan. Like do Yoda and Windu do nothing but hang at the Jedi Temple all day telling other Jedi to do their bidding, particularly Anakin and Obi-Wan? It seems a stretch to assume that these two Jedi have to take the bulk of most of the tasks. I get that it's mainly done so the characters are ones the audience is more familiar with, but it always slightly bugged me. |
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Post by Star on Jul 27, 2018 21:51:05 GMT -5
I watched TCW movie. As a whole, it was kind of slow, but not terrible. The Christophsis scenes are definitely the most enjoyable, and most of the Teth scenes kind of drag until Obi-Wan shows up. I actually forgot the Twilight ship even existed until rewatching this. The fight between Dooku and Anakin was pretty good also.
All the scenes with Ziro could have been really good, and I want to like his character, but he's just too annoying for me. The concept of a Hutt ruling parts of the Coruscant Underworld is really cool, but how it's executed isn't the best. Plus it felt really rushed and was introduced super late into the movie.
I'd give the movie a 6/10 in its entirety, but that's mainly because the film becomes a little tedious after the first 30 mins. It's pretty neat watching that portion after seeing Cat and Mouse and The Hidden Enemy though.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2018 22:01:48 GMT -5
Just watched the movie. Idk I think it's fun. Maybe stretched out in some parts like Teth, as you said Newan. Another round of fighting probably wasn't that necessary. But it had many badass moments coupled with a good soundtrack. And the writing was pretty good, especially all the witty dialogue. Only a few times Ahsoka was a little cringe... But I like the dynamic between her and Anakin. Although I think Jedi choose their padawans usually, unless that's not canon anymore. That wouldn't have fit in this movie anyway. But perhaps things are different for war. Ahsoka already had a lightsaber and was trained in combat. Guess the new generation's training was geared towards being able to fight in the war.
Couple things that bothered me was Sam L. Jackson... Didn't sound like he did in the movies... Also the animation was so bad lol. Looked pretty much like the reels. And wow Coruscant looks so weird in the movie... All the backgrounds and characters just look like poorly painted wood or clay... I think they mentioned in a behind the scenes thing that they were going for a specific art style based on some other thing that had wooden characters. If that's true and not just an excuse for poor animation, that's kinda dumb...
And another thing I thought of, you guys thing Obi-Wan is on the council at this point?
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Post by Potato on Jul 27, 2018 22:45:14 GMT -5
I like how Cat and Mouse is basically an introduction to Yularen and The Hidden Enemy is basically an introduction to Rex and Cody. Speaking of Yularen, I'm kind of sad he didn't have more episodes centered around him. He had kind of a small part in Storm Over Ryloth, but other than that he just had small parts. Come to think of it, did he even have a speaking role after he got his redesign later on?
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Post by Potato on Jul 27, 2018 22:50:41 GMT -5
I also don't really get why Chopper was criticized for having the Battle Droid fingers... it didn't harm anyone, and its not like he was collecting fingers of actual living beings. It's not that different from the kill count tallies some clones keep on their helmets. Just watched the movie. Idk I think it's fun. Maybe stretched out in some parts like Teth, as you said Newan. Another round of fighting probably wasn't that necessary. But it had many badass moments coupled with a good soundtrack. And the writing was pretty good, especially all the witty dialogue. Only a few times Ahsoka was a little cringe... But I like the dynamic between her and Anakin. Although I think Jedi choose their padawans usually, unless that's not canon anymore. That wouldn't have fit in this movie anyway. But perhaps things are different for war. Ahsoka already had a lightsaber and was trained in combat. Guess the new generation's training was geared towards being able to fight in the war. Couple things that bothered me was Sam L. Jackson... Didn't sound like he did in the movies... Also the animation was so bad lol. Looked pretty much like the reels. And wow Coruscant looks so weird in the movie... All the backgrounds and characters just look like poorly painted wood or clay... I think they mentioned in a behind the scenes thing that they were going for a specific art style based on some other thing that had wooden characters. If that's true and not just an excuse for poor animation, that's kinda dumb... And another thing I thought of, you guys thing Obi-Wan is on the council at this point? I'd say he probably is (haven't rewatched the movie yet and it's been a while, but I'm assuming there's no Jedi Council scenes). Kit Fisto replaced Coleman Trebor and I think Obi-Wan replaced Depa Billaba, except it's unclear when she left the council. Since we never saw her appear I think Obi-Wan's probably already taken her spot. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 27, 2018 23:10:20 GMT -5
About to start with Cat and Mouse. I haven’t watched it in years but I feel like I remember it pretty well.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2018 23:32:20 GMT -5
Pretty much TCW Movie 2 lol.... Actually remember this being a pretty cool game. Might try to watch all those cutscenes I think there were some interesting plot points
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 0:18:20 GMT -5
Just watched Cat and Mouse and The Hidden Enemy. Cat and Mouse is a bit of a weird chronological introduction to the series. It is implied this is the first time Anakin and Yularen work together, but Yularen is barely introduced. I see why they did not pick this episode as the actual first episode, Ambush introduced the series much better. I like Trench. He is not as overtly evil as the other separatist officers. The Hidden Enemy is kind of meh. A clone traitor is interesting... but his motivations are not explored enough. The duel between Anakin and Obi-wan and Ventress is completely pointless to the plot. I find it weird that Ventress says General Loathsom should keep the Jedi occupied so she can execute Dooku's plan (kidnapping Rotta and blaming the Jedi). Loathsom only occupies Anakin and Obi-wan, not the entirety of the Jedi. So how is this part of Dooku's plan? Yoda and Mace are probably just chilling on Coruscant, they are not distracted... Obi-wan and Anakin are not the only Jedi in the universe that matter. I would say: Cat and Mouse: 6,5/10 The Hidden Enemy: 6/10 Wow, you're pretty harsh with rating these two episodes. I would've liked more exploration about the motives of the clone traitor, but given episodes are 22 minutes long, there's only so much time to cover everything. I thought they managed to explain just enough to give his treason some weight and logic. Sometimes I'd find it annoying how the series would focus so much on Anakin and Obi-Wan. Like do Yoda and Windu do nothing but hang at the Jedi Temple all day telling other Jedi to do their bidding, particularly Anakin and Obi-Wan? It seems a stretch to assume that these two Jedi have to take the bulk of most of the tasks. I get that it's mainly done so the characters are ones the audience is more familiar with, but it always slightly bugged me. Well Anakin and Kenobi are warriors, a lot of Jedi don't actually lead troops much id imagine. Like Luminara was mainly a diplomat for example. I doubt Yoda was expected to lead much. Anakin was also basically the Republic poster boy and he was the only one the Chancellor trusted |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 0:23:48 GMT -5
But honestly Cat and Mouse is a pretty top tier episode for me... easily a top 5 in the first 3.5 seasons. I'd imagine Pinda is mainly comparing these episodes to later seasons but I am mainly comparing them to other episodes released at the same time with the same resources and stuff. Plus I like to rate based both on enjoYMENT and quality. I am never going to compare a season 1 episode with a season 5 episode because theres just too much of a different circumstance regardless of plot and writing.
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 0:24:58 GMT -5
I like how Cat and Mouse is basically an introduction to Yularen and The Hidden Enemy is basically an introduction to Rex and Cody. Speaking of Yularen, I'm kind of sad he didn't have more episodes centered around him. He had kind of a small part in Storm Over Ryloth, but other than that he just had small parts. Come to think of it, did he even have a speaking role after he got his redesign later on? When did he get his new model? I'd imagine it was Point of No Return with the republic war council? I think I vaguely remember something at that time |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 0:25:56 GMT -5
Just watched the movie. Idk I think it's fun. Maybe stretched out in some parts like Teth, as you said Newan. Another round of fighting probably wasn't that necessary. But it had many badass moments coupled with a good soundtrack. And the writing was pretty good, especially all the witty dialogue. Only a few times Ahsoka was a little cringe... But I like the dynamic between her and Anakin. Although I think Jedi choose their padawans usually, unless that's not canon anymore. That wouldn't have fit in this movie anyway. But perhaps things are different for war. Ahsoka already had a lightsaber and was trained in combat. Guess the new generation's training was geared towards being able to fight in the war. Couple things that bothered me was Sam L. Jackson... Didn't sound like he did in the movies... Also the animation was so bad lol. Looked pretty much like the reels. And wow Coruscant looks so weird in the movie... All the backgrounds and characters just look like poorly painted wood or clay... I think they mentioned in a behind the scenes thing that they were going for a specific art style based on some other thing that had wooden characters. If that's true and not just an excuse for poor animation, that's kinda dumb... And another thing I thought of, you guys thing Obi-Wan is on the council at this point? There was one shot of Coruscant that showed the traffic lanes in the underworld part that I thought was really cool but yeah for the most part the images looked kinda weird |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 0:30:35 GMT -5
I wonder do Clone Battalions and stuff get fresh blood often? Cause well Anakin's forces get cut down often but the core group of the 501st (Torrent Company) seems to have the same faces throughout the war. Like Fives and Echo were kind of adopted into the unit but that was also a special circumstance.
Also I guess we never see the special space forces Clones again from Cat and Mouse? The pilot looked really cool with his ARF type helmet and the color of his armor
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 0:38:36 GMT -5
Pretty much TCW Movie 2 lol.... Actually remember this being a pretty cool game. Might try to watch all those cutscenes I think there were some interesting plot points I remember that game. Came out in season 2. Man the camera angles for the gameplay were terrible but it was still decently fun back in the day. Only Clone Wars games they made were this and Lego SW TCW. I guess demand just wasn't high enough even though Lucasarts didn't really produce anything after TFU2 in 2010... SWTOR was EA as the publisher so they weren't really connected. |
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Post by squiggy on Jul 28, 2018 0:39:33 GMT -5
Just watched Cat and Mouse and it was good. The thing I like about this episode was the type of battle it engaged. It was about strategy and wasn’t just an all out battle. The cloaked ship made for an adventurous spirit to the mix. I like it but don’t know why this wasn’t alongside the other episode in the same season. They still have yet a reason to explain how Trench survived correct? He was in the bonus episodes I remember but I don’t think we got an explanation to his survival. Perhaps something in the upcoming episodes will clarify that. Overall, a fun episode.
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Post by squiggy on Jul 28, 2018 0:41:34 GMT -5
As were a lot of the early season episodes. They were a lot more free spirited you could say, but when arcs were introduced it changed how episodes were made of the better.
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2018 1:59:57 GMT -5
Just watched Cat and Mouse and it was good. The thing I like about this episode was the type of battle it engaged. It was about strategy and wasn’t just an all out battle. The cloaked ship made for an adventurous spirit to the mix. I like it but don’t know why this wasn’t alongside the other episode in the same season. They still have yet a reason to explain how Trench survived correct? He was in the bonus episodes I remember but I don’t think we got an explanation to his survival. Perhaps something in the upcoming episodes will clarify that. Overall, a fun episode. They didn't clarify how he survived Cat and Mouse but he ends up dying in the story reels anyways, quite permantley as well |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2018 2:34:28 GMT -5
Just watched Cat and Mouse and it was good. The thing I like about this episode was the type of battle it engaged. It was about strategy and wasn’t just an all out battle. The cloaked ship made for an adventurous spirit to the mix. I like it but don’t know why this wasn’t alongside the other episode in the same season. They still have yet a reason to explain how Trench survived correct? He was in the bonus episodes I remember but I don’t think we got an explanation to his survival. Perhaps something in the upcoming episodes will clarify that. Overall, a fun episode. They didn't clarify how he survived Cat and Mouse but he ends up dying in the story reels anyways, quite permantley as well So it would seem  |
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Post by squiggy on Jul 28, 2018 9:54:35 GMT -5
They didn't clarify how he survived Cat and Mouse but he ends up dying in the story reels anyways, quite permantley as well So it would seem Nobody is truely dead. Mace survives in another 10 years as a spinoff movie once they run out of ideas. |
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Post by squiggy on Jul 28, 2018 9:55:47 GMT -5
I mean Maul was cut in half and fell incredibly deep and survived and yet mace fell out a window with just an arm cut off and he doesn’t, what a stretch.
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 