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Post by Newan on Jul 18, 2016 15:31:43 GMT -5
They needed lots of supplies and slaves to build the Death Star But still pretty sure the Geonosians didn't design the Death Star, they where not that advanced. Only space flight capable things they had where solar sailers I imagine they designed the droid factories at least... But yeah not the same as the Death Star and you're right they're not very advanced.. Trade Federation likely played the most part in the factories. Remember Senate Spy? Clovis and the Nemodians had the details for the factories on Geonosis. |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 18, 2016 16:10:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Geonosians made the plans for the Death Star. They may have seemed stupid, but that is likely because they didn't speak English and communicated through weird noises... but Poggle the Lesser seemed quite intelligent, I'm sure many other Geonosians were as well.
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Post by Newan on Jul 18, 2016 16:20:42 GMT -5
"The Death Star plans were the blueprints of the first Death Star, an Imperial superweapon that was the brainchild of Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin"
So apparently most of it was probably designed by Tarkin post ROTS, the Geonosians probably only had some generic plan.
I still need to read Tarkin novel. I may do that soon perhaps there will be more in there about it.
Hmm though I wouldn't be too surprised if Tarkin was in on Palpatines grand plan... Mas Amenda was and he was only a speaker... So he might have designed some of the plans and gave them to Palpatine to give to Dooku to Poggle.
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Post by Pinda on Jul 18, 2016 16:22:29 GMT -5
That first line on Wookieepedia has no citation. But this one has:
"The Death Star was designed by Geonosians led by Archduke Poggle the Lesser, a member of the Confederacy of Independent Systems."
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Post by Newan on Jul 18, 2016 16:23:26 GMT -5
Actually most of the Death Star probably wasn't pre planned... Tarkin made it up as he went along which is why it took 20 years for the first Death Star to be built, the second Death Star was more than less a copy of the first with a few improvements.
Plus we know from Rebels Tarkin was over seeing a lot of it, that's why he was interested in Lothal because the Rebels where interfering with Imperials and they where using Lothal for resources
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Post by Newan on Jul 18, 2016 16:24:53 GMT -5
That first line on Wookieepedia has no citation. But this one has: "The Death Star was designed by Geonosians led by Archduke Poggle the Lesser, a member of the Confederacy of Independent Systems." Only cause we see him hold it in the movies, we don't know if it was actually Poggle either. Geonosis was a major CIS base. So that line doesn't mean much either, I think Tarkin novel will have some more info I guess |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 18, 2016 16:26:42 GMT -5
That first line on Wookieepedia has no citation. But this one has: "The Death Star was designed by Geonosians led by Archduke Poggle the Lesser, a member of the Confederacy of Independent Systems." Only cause we see him hold it in the movies, we don't know if it was actually Poggle either. Geonosis was a major CIS base. So that line doesn't mean much either, I think Tarkin novel will have some more info I guess Well, Tarkin designing the Death Star and giving the plans to Poggle makes even less sense in my opinion. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 18, 2016 16:30:54 GMT -5
Only cause we see him hold it in the movies, we don't know if it was actually Poggle either. Geonosis was a major CIS base. So that line doesn't mean much either, I think Tarkin novel will have some more info I guess Well, Tarkin designing the Death Star and giving the plans to Poggle makes even less sense in my opinion. Probably not but the most likely outcome is that... The Geonosisans only made some very basic concept, if they had the real full plans it wouldn't take 20 years to build to Death Star. So Tarkin and this new guy in Rouge One likely put all the fine details together |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 18, 2016 16:31:52 GMT -5
Well, Tarkin designing the Death Star and giving the plans to Poggle makes even less sense in my opinion. Probably not but the most likely outcome is that... The Geonosisans only made some very basic concept, if they had the real full plans it wouldn't take 20 years to build to Death Star. So Tarkin and this new guy in Rouge One likely put all the fine details together Yeah, I guess Tarkin made some changes to it... but the original plan definitely came from the Geonosians. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 18, 2016 16:35:29 GMT -5
Probably not but the most likely outcome is that... The Geonosisans only made some very basic concept, if they had the real full plans it wouldn't take 20 years to build to Death Star. So Tarkin and this new guy in Rouge One likely put all the fine details together Yeah, I guess Tarkin made some changes to it... but the original plan definitely came from the Geonosians. A lot of changes I bet, the overall design (shape) and the super laser concept where likely the things that where kept. Plus Tarkin had the task of actually finding all these items and leading campaigns to get them, guess why he was so famous in the outer rim... |
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 18, 2016 17:04:25 GMT -5
I think it would be cool to see Tarkin and Galen designing it together and then Galen could find out what they want to use it for and he could run off or something
Also I think the hardest part of designing the Death Star is the actual main laser... The rest is like designing a giant house. Probably as hard as designing the Executor
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 27, 2016 22:52:59 GMT -5
I've watched the trailers and honestly I'm not very excited for this movie. It just feels kinda safe and more of the same. I don't want movie after movie of Empires and stormtroopers. There's more to Star Wars than that.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 27, 2016 23:35:10 GMT -5
I've watched the trailers and honestly I'm not very excited for this movie. It just feels kinda safe and more of the same. I don't want movie after movie of Empires and stormtroopers. There's more to Star Wars than that. Actually I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to be going back to that time period. 90s onward pretty sure it's mostly been stuff before the Galactic Civil War. So really people should be wanting to go back to the Empire  I think I'm wrong but not counting Rebels the last non book, visual thing from the GCW was Force Unleashed... |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2016 0:04:17 GMT -5
I've watched the trailers and honestly I'm not very excited for this movie. It just feels kinda safe and more of the same. I don't want movie after movie of Empires and stormtroopers. There's more to Star Wars than that. Actually I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to be going back to that time period. 90s onward pretty sure it's mostly been stuff before the Galactic Civil War. So really people should be wanting to go back to the Empire I think I'm wrong but not counting Rebels the last non book, visual thing from the GCW was Force Unleashed... But it all feels the same now. This is kind of a jab at TFA and Rebels as well, but why does all Star Wars need to have a gray fetish and be riddled with stormtroopers. To me at least, its just boring. Like TCW had variety and took risks, but everything released in the last three years has felt too safe and lame to me. It just feels like the want to look and feel exactly like ANH. Just my opinion. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2016 0:06:06 GMT -5
I saw the trailer before STB beyond today and it just felt cliche and boring.
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Post by Pinda on Jul 28, 2016 9:56:53 GMT -5
I've watched the trailers and honestly I'm not very excited for this movie. It just feels kinda safe and more of the same. I don't want movie after movie of Empires and stormtroopers. There's more to Star Wars than that. Well, I agree, I'm not at all excited for this movie... It's a story that didn't need to be told at all... |
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 28, 2016 11:17:28 GMT -5
I've watched the trailers and honestly I'm not very excited for this movie. It just feels kinda safe and more of the same. I don't want movie after movie of Empires and stormtroopers. There's more to Star Wars than that. Well, I agree, I'm not at all excited for this movie... It's a story that didn't need to be told at all... Well the Star Wars story ended with ROTS so everything after that is "unnecessary"... But people want Star Wars and Disney wants money so... |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 28, 2016 11:30:49 GMT -5
Well, I agree, I'm not at all excited for this movie... It's a story that didn't need to be told at all... Well the Star Wars story ended with ROTS so everything after that is "unnecessary"... But people want Star Wars and Disney wants money so... Well, yes, Star Wars pretty much ended with ROTS/ROTJ, it didn't need a new trilogy... but that's different though, we don't know what happened after ROTJ, we do know some people managed to get their hands on the Death Star plans just before A New Hope, there is really no need to tell that story, especially when it pretty much only involves new characters that are unlikely to appear again (according to the people working on it). |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Jul 28, 2016 11:53:02 GMT -5
I don't know why we needed this movie, I love that it'll be war style. And I wouldn't mind a war style film set in OT, I don't like however that we know the ending.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 28, 2016 14:55:55 GMT -5
I don't know why we needed this movie, I love that it'll be war style. And I wouldn't mind a war style film set in OT, I don't like however that we know the ending. Guess that's the thing with Star Wars since a lot of it isn't chronological... Like PT and TCW is all predictable However there's more tension I guess with new characters |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2016 17:15:55 GMT -5
But I don't see why Star Wars has to be revolving door of familiar settings and concepts. It's such a huge universe, with so many possibilities. Why does literally everything that comes have to be against the empire and look like ANH?
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Post by Pinda on Jul 28, 2016 17:22:14 GMT -5
But I don't see why Star Wars has to be revolving door of familiar settings and concepts. It's such a huge universe, with so many possibilities. Why does literally everything that comes have to be against the empire and look like ANH? Yeah, I would much rather have a movie focused around a minor aspect of the Star Wars Saga, not one of the core aspects... Like I would rather see a Darth Plagueis/Palpatine/Maul prequel movie or a movie about bounty hunters, or just a movie with no relation to the Episodes at all... |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 28, 2016 17:24:18 GMT -5
I really like the idea of spin-off movies, they are probably the best thing to come out of the Disney take-over... but it looks like the first 3 will all be set in the same era, just before ANH... and focus on things we didn't have to see... which is kind of disappointing...
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2016 17:48:53 GMT -5
Well, I agree, I'm not at all excited for this movie... It's a story that didn't need to be told at all... Well the Star Wars story ended with ROTS so everything after that is "unnecessary"... But people want Star Wars and Disney wants money so... Well technically if you want to be like that it ended with ROTJ in 1983... The prequels was not a story that needed to be told anymore then the sequels now. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2016 18:12:47 GMT -5
Well the Star Wars story ended with ROTS so everything after that is "unnecessary"... But people want Star Wars and Disney wants money so... Well technically if you want to be like that it ended with ROTJ in 1983... The prequels was not a story that needed to be told anymore then the sequels now. The prequels explained the background and characters of the original trilogy (although not very well) and IMO the story Anakin becoming Vader is much more necessary than a tacked on sequel that undercuts the impact of literally everything that came before it. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2016 18:15:51 GMT -5
Well technically if you want to be like that it ended with ROTJ in 1983... The prequels was not a story that needed to be told anymore then the sequels now. The prequels explained the background and characters of the original trilogy (although not very well) and IMO the story Anakin becoming Vader is much more necessary than a tacked on sequel that undercuts the impact of literally everything that came before it. Meh it was not a story that needed to be told though, honestly the little things Obi-Wan told us in ANH was actually enough... And out of the 3 movies of the prequels pretty much all of what Kenobi said in ANH was all we got anyways. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 28, 2016 18:18:37 GMT -5
The prequels explained the background and characters of the original trilogy (although not very well) and IMO the story Anakin becoming Vader is much more necessary than a tacked on sequel that undercuts the impact of literally everything that came before it. Meh it was not a story that needed to be told though, honestly the little things Obi-Wan told us in ANH was actually enough... And out of the 3 movies of the prequels pretty much all of what Kenobi said in ANH was all we got anyways. It told us what the Clone Wars were, how the Emperor came to power, why Anakin turned. And you have to admit they're more necessary than the TFA |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2016 18:25:30 GMT -5
Meh it was not a story that needed to be told though, honestly the little things Obi-Wan told us in ANH was actually enough... And out of the 3 movies of the prequels pretty much all of what Kenobi said in ANH was all we got anyways. It told us what the Clone Wars were, how the Emperor came to power, why Anakin turned. And you have to admit they're more necessary than the TFA But still we pretty much got the idea of what happened... Obi-Wan tells us about how he and Anakin fought in TCW, How Vader killed the Jedi and he mentions the Republic. Since the Emperor is Vaders master we know he was in on the death of the Jedi. I mean what Obi-Wan says in 90 seconds of dialogue pretty much sums up the main points of what we see in the prequels... Clone Wars, Jedi, Anakin/ Vader and little things about the relationship of Anakin/ Obi-Wan. However there's one thing that changed/ Obi-Wan lied about... Anakin was not seduced by the Dark Side, he was tricked by Sidious. Not really though TFA is a continuation of the original movies and it passes the torch to the new characters from the old characters in a more direct way then Prequels to Orginals did. With the Orginals you only had Kenobi passing the torch with the new movies you got Han/ Leia passing the torch and now Luke. None of prequels or sequels is more needed then the other |
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2016 18:29:16 GMT -5
Well the poll on this thread was very old... It and the thread itself was made before we even knew the name of the spinoff this year.
Anyways here's a little discussion started related to the actual movie
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Post by Newan on Jul 28, 2016 18:31:45 GMT -5
Anyways I'm saying yes, because Luke ends up being "Rouge One" in the Hoth Battle.
Assuming Jyn is actually the original Rouge One, she could die in this movie or some time between ANH-ESB
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I think I'm wrong but not counting Rebels the last non book, visual thing from the GCW was Force Unleashed...
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 