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Post by Star on Apr 30, 2019 8:37:13 GMT -5
I watched it again. Honestly, I think this episode is really great. There's just a few issues I have, which make me rethink exactly how good it is...
1) The Night King dies without any additional lore given.
2) Due to the Night King's death, it's underwhelming that no main characters (or at least more secondary characters) died.
3) The rest of the White Walkers do nothing. They really built up the Valyrian steel swords, so I was hoping we'd get to see Jorah, Jaime, Brienne, etc fight them. Yet all they face is an endless hoard of the Dead, while the remaining White Walkers feel like gang members only there to hype up the Night King.
4) Several of the battle tactics are a bit questionable. I can forgive the Dothraki charge, but it seemed foolish to have no one armed in the Crypts and so few shooting flaming arrows from atop the walls. The dragons also seemed severely underutilized, even if the original plan was to have them separate the Night King. I give them credit with still making it as engaging as it is though, since it's very difficult to balance so many characters and locations for a battle on this scale.
Obviously, the first two points are my main qualms and really detract from my enjoyment. Satisfying even one of them would make me much happier. Instead, we get an awesome episode until the very end when one of the main stories of the entire series abruptly ends without more answers or more consequences for the heroes.
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Post by Pinda on Apr 30, 2019 17:26:14 GMT -5
Clearly he wouldn't approve of the way they handled the Night King in the show. Because the Night King literally is a "dark lord trying to bring darkness".
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Post by Pinda on Apr 30, 2019 18:49:08 GMT -5
Apparently this episode got the second lowest rating of all GOT episodes on RottenTomatoes. The lowest being the one that focused on the Sand Snakes... So I guess that says a lot, this should have been among the highest rated episodes...
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 30, 2019 20:03:03 GMT -5
Apparently this episode got the second lowest rating of all GOT episodes on RottenTomatoes. The lowest being the one that focused on the Sand Snakes... So I guess that says a lot, this should have been among the highest rated episodes... Wow even worse than Beyond the Wall? |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 1, 2019 23:48:45 GMT -5
The episode is dark and full of errors.
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Post by Kenbo on May 2, 2019 9:39:23 GMT -5
The episode is dark and full of errors. Even turning up the brightness doesn’t help |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 2, 2019 9:41:23 GMT -5
It was pretty annoying to try and watch it while needing to endure flashes of light from my roommate playing Smash.
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Post by Star on May 2, 2019 19:13:30 GMT -5
"Miguel Sapochnik said that initially he was supposed to direct this episode as well as episodes 3 and 5, describing them as episodes chronicling a single story with a beginning, middle and ending. Episodes 3 and 5 were time consuming enough that he had to settle on directing only them, while David Nutter got this episode instead."
Seems strange to consider The Long Night as the beginning of a story, but maybe there's hope that we learn more about the White Walkers? Although it could also read as the heroes facing their final challenges before triumphing over their adversaries, which is less exciting and more obvious.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 3, 2019 0:13:47 GMT -5
Theon did a better job taking Winterfell back in Season 2 than the Night King did.
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Post by Star on May 3, 2019 9:10:50 GMT -5
Theon did a better job taking Winterfell back in Season 2 than the Night King did. Oof  |
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2019 9:44:16 GMT -5
Theon did a better job taking Winterfell back in Season 2 than the Night King did. To be honest Winterfell didn't have thousands of Dothraki, Unsullied, Northern soldiers and 2 dragons defending it that time around. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 3, 2019 9:51:26 GMT -5
Theon did a better job taking Winterfell back in Season 2 than the Night King did. To be honest Winterfell didn't have thousands of Dothraki, Unsullied, Northern soldiers and 2 dragons defending it that time around. It still had superior forces. But Theon was smart enough to lure them to Torrhen’s Square. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 3, 2019 9:55:02 GMT -5
I saw a video where someone said the White Walkers should not have shown up in person and just let the wights come alone. Then even if the army was defeated, they could just raise more soldiers and they wouldn’t lose the war.
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Post by Star on May 3, 2019 10:57:14 GMT -5
I saw a video where someone said the White Walkers should not have shown up in person and just let the wights come alone. Then even if the army was defeated, they could just raise more soldiers and they wouldn’t lose the war. This makes complete sense, which is why they should've given a reason that the Night King had to kill Bran personally. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 3, 2019 11:55:15 GMT -5
The only issue is that Drogon and Rhaegal would be able to burn down wights if they weren’t distracted by Viserion.
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Post by Star on May 3, 2019 15:01:59 GMT -5
Benioff and Weiss didn't want to give a solid answer in an interview if the show had seen the end of the White Walkers... I don't want to get my hopes up, but maybe this means we're getting a more satisfying conclusion with them than what we thought we had last episode.
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2019 17:48:52 GMT -5
Benioff and Weiss didn't want to give a solid answer in an interview if the show had seen the end of the White Walkers... I don't want to get my hopes up, but maybe this means we're getting a more satisfying conclusion with them than what we thought we had last episode. Don't get your hopes up. If their history of answering these kind of questions is anything to go by the odds of the WW returning would be larger if they had said "Yes". |
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Post by Pinda on May 4, 2019 8:14:22 GMT -5
www.nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/tv/game-of-thrones-bran-stark-the-night-king-55461This series is fucked. Also none of this fits what we have seen of the WW before, even in this episode. If they were just out of control killing machines the smirk was really misplaced... and why did they create symbols? Or leave Craster alone? I hope this entire interview was just Bran lying... but it looks like we will have to give up on this show.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 4, 2019 10:50:30 GMT -5
www.nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/tv/game-of-thrones-bran-stark-the-night-king-55461This series is Potato is Awesomeed. Also none of this fits what we have seen of the WW before, even in this episode. If they were just out of control killing machines the smirk was really misplaced... and why did they create symbols? Or leave Craster alone? I hope this entire interview was just Bran lying... but it looks like we will have to give up on this show. Really good point about Craster. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 4, 2019 22:33:35 GMT -5
Walder Frey killed more main characters than the Night King did.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 5, 2019 11:13:58 GMT -5
Was thinking about how I would do this season. The Night King needed some kinda of goal. I’m not sure what exactly but it had to be beyond killing Bran. Bran could’ve existed as a major obstacle, like maybe the only one the Night King feared, but that shouldn’t have been his endgame.
His goal needed to be something in the South, like at the God’s Eye or King’s Landing. Everything needed to culminate there. I would’ve had him succeed in killing Bran in Episode 3, then immediately draw back his forces and regroup his armies to march on the South. Other major characters could’ve survived then. The White Walkers leave them behind as they don’t consider them capable of stopping.
Then in Episode 5 we could have the culmination of the entire story as everything converges in King’s Landing. And we’d get the death of Cersei, the Night King, and several other major characters.
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Post by Star on May 5, 2019 13:17:14 GMT -5
Well, episode 4 leaked early by the same group that prematurely released episode 2... Guess I'll have to avoid browsing anything related to GoT the rest of today.
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Post by Pinda on May 5, 2019 17:17:30 GMT -5
Can't seem to find the leak unfortunately...
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Post by Pinda on May 5, 2019 22:02:11 GMT -5
I was still awake because my sleep pattern is still messed up from last week so I just watched it... I guess they are setting up Dany as the real villain... I suppose that's better than Cersei... Rhaegals death was pretty surprising... but Dany knew about these balistas, why did she fly that carelessly with a wounded dragon? And how much plot armor is Drogon wearing? And why were all important advisers in the same ship at the front of the fleet? That's just stupid...
King's Landing is definitely going to burn though. I predicted it before and they hinted at it again. I still think Cersei will do it.
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Post by Star on May 5, 2019 22:09:26 GMT -5
I thought this was a pretty solid episode. The naval ambush was very cool, and the confrontation at the end really made me think Tyrion was going to die for a moment. I like how they're laying the final pieces to make Dany the Mad Queen. It should make how things unfold with Cersei more interesting.
The scene with Tyrion and Varys worked really well, and I thought the entire celebration at Winterfell felt like classic GoT. Not sure what to make of Jaime's decision to ride for King's Landing though...
Putting aside the White Walkers disappointment last week, this one pushed the story ahead nicely, and I really enjoyed it. Next week's seems to be the true peak, I just hope it's more satisfying than The Long Night.
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Post by Star on May 5, 2019 22:10:57 GMT -5
A lot of people I know apparently had major parts of these final 3 episodes spoiled for them, which makes me worried it'll happen to me, too.  |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 5, 2019 22:54:07 GMT -5
Really liked this episode. Though can't help but feel killing Missandei is a bit small potatoes for the third to last episode.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 5, 2019 23:02:08 GMT -5
I was still awake because my sleep pattern is still messed up from last week so I just watched it... I guess they are setting up Dany as the real villain... I suppose that's better than Cersei... Rhaegals death was pretty surprising... but Dany knew about these balistas, why did she fly that carelessly with a wounded dragon? And how much plot armor is Drogon wearing? And why were all important advisers in the same ship at the front of the fleet? That's just stupid... King's Landing is definitely going to burn though. I predicted it before and they hinted at it again. I still think Cersei will do it. They never hit the important dragon. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 5, 2019 23:04:06 GMT -5
Don’t know if I’ve said this but I theorized that the reason they didn’t reveal the truth about Tysha was because they meant to do it later.
They indirectly mentioned her again so maybe it’s true.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 5, 2019 23:24:34 GMT -5
Cleganebowl 100% confirmed though
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 