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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:57:15 GMT -5
I have to say, that music really made it seem like there would be a massive reveal coming. Like Bran would interact with the Night King in some way... but I guess they wouldn't do that..
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:03:21 GMT -5
On another note, I'm glad Melisandre arrived at the beginning of the episode to help instead of in the middle. I was worried she'd have a Gandalf the White effect, but fortunately this wasn't the case. I am sad we will never learn what she has been doing the during last season... |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:03:44 GMT -5
Probably yes... I just feel like the ending is going to be very underwhelming now. Is there something that could happen in the final 3 episodes to make you move beyond the Night King's defeat? Because honestly, after finishing the episode last night, I was definitely less excited for the rest of the season knowing the White Walker threat was now over. Unless the delve into the White Walker's motivations and it turns out they were not he bad guys after all or someone (Bran) sent them to weaken the Targaryens for a good reason... I don't know... they need a major twist to fix this. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 13:06:12 GMT -5
Is there something that could happen in the final 3 episodes to make you move beyond the Night King's defeat? Because honestly, after finishing the episode last night, I was definitely less excited for the rest of the season knowing the White Walker threat was now over. Unless the delve into the White Walker's motivations and it turns out they were not he bad guys after all or someone (Bran) sent them to weaken the Targaryens for a good reason... I don't know... they need a major twist to fix this. I really hope something like that happens, too. Maybe it's like a test for Dany to see if she's really the best fit to rule? IDK, but I agree that something along those lines would help. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 13:08:21 GMT -5
On another note, I'm glad Melisandre arrived at the beginning of the episode to help instead of in the middle. I was worried she'd have a Gandalf the White effect, but fortunately this wasn't the case. I am sad we will never learn what she has been doing the during last season... She kind of went out like Littlefinger... An interesting character in the early seasons, but then she gets weird due to the writers not being sure how the handle her without the books. Then right before death, she has one final impact on the story. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:09:35 GMT -5
Unless the delve into the White Walker's motivations and it turns out they were not he bad guys after all or someone (Bran) sent them to weaken the Targaryens for a good reason... I don't know... they need a major twist to fix this. I really hope something like that happens, too. Maybe it's like a test for Dany to see if she's really the best fit to rule? IDK, but I agree that something along those lines would help. Maybe the Dany is actually dangerous and Bran knows that... But honestly, even ignoring the Night King plot the writing on GOT has been shit lately, I doubt they will give us a decent conclusion. They rushed the series and it shows... In fact I think the reason we got this ending is that they excluded too many key moments from the book to make George's ending work. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:11:42 GMT -5
I am sad we will never learn what she has been doing the during last season... She kind of went out like Littlefinger... An interesting character in the early seasons, but then she gets weird due to the writers not being sure how the handle her without the books. Then right before death, she has one final impact on the story. Same with the White Walkers, Jorah and Theon to be honest. Although the last two actually got a good conclusion in my opinion. But I feel like the writers just didn't know what to do with them (hence the useless greyscale and Yare storylines). Apparently they decided on Jorah's death really late. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:13:37 GMT -5
Needed a new avatar... somehow I had this on my PC...
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 13:16:51 GMT -5
Needed a new avatar... somehow I had this on my PC... lol is that how you felt when you saw the Night King die? |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 13:19:36 GMT -5
She kind of went out like Littlefinger... An interesting character in the early seasons, but then she gets weird due to the writers not being sure how the handle her without the books. Then right before death, she has one final impact on the story. Same with the White Walkers, Jorah and Theon to be honest. Although the last two actually got a good conclusion in my opinion. But I feel like the writers just didn't know what to do with them (hence the useless greyscale and Yare storylines). Apparently they decided on Jorah's death really late. Jorah and Theon did kind of pander about for a while, but I'm content with how they concluded. The White Walker situation feels more like a slap on the face, but I suppose we'll have to see what the second half of the season has in store to figure out if there's more to it. It almost feels like the showrunners were eager to get the White Walkers over with, because they think whatever they have in mind afterwards is better. Or they just didn't know what to do, so they went for a big shock. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
One other way to fix this:
The prophecies about Azor Ahai and Prince that was Promised and all that stuff were never about defeating the White Walkers. They speak of a defeating the "darkness" the WW are never mentioned directly. So maybe the real threat is yet to be revealed. Maybe the "darkness" is not related to the White Walkers. Still, if the real threat ends up being Cersei it won't fix anything.
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:26:59 GMT -5
Interestingly enough Mel did use the term "Aeksio Onos" repeadetly. This refers to the Lord of Light. But a common theory is that this has been incorrectly copied over the ages and it is actually derived from the Valyrian words for gold and hand, which are aeksion and ondos. So it was interesting that they included these words. I really thought they would do something with that (and Jaime).
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 29, 2019 13:34:49 GMT -5
Yeah for real this is some Last Jedi Potato Rules. Everything is there, it writes itself but they choose to do something else just to be unpredictable... I would take a predictable plot filled with a thousand cliches that is still satisfying over something with twists just for the sake of having twists.
If the whole winter is coming story was just a little side plot, it could've been resolved at the show's halfway point if that was all there was to it. But they kept hyping it up beyond that point, giving everyone massive blue balls. It's weird to me people were saying winter is coming for years... But I guess their seasons are weird
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 13:37:41 GMT -5
Decided to change my avatar to the other thing I cared most about heading into S8 besides the Night King.
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:43:53 GMT -5
Yeah for real this is some Last Jedi Potato Rules. Everything is there, it writes itself but they choose to do something else just to be unpredictable... I would take a predictable plot filled with a thousand cliches that is still satisfying over something with twists just for the sake of having twists. If the whole winter is coming story was just a little side plot, it could've been resolved at the show's halfway point if that was all there was to it. But they kept hyping it up beyond that point, giving everyone massive blue balls. It's weird to me people were saying winter is coming for years... But I guess their seasons are weird The seasons are weird on Westoros. George RR Martin promised he would explain why at some point... I think it is tied to the Great Other (who is tied to the White Walkers in a way). |
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 29, 2019 13:46:30 GMT -5
Something I saw on reddit: Night King not having much depth is kind of acceptable because he is just a killing machine, a force of nature (which is what I wanted to say last night but couldn't really articulate it..). Elaborating on the Children of the Forest instead may have helped more. Ideally both would've been explained so there's no questions. Right now there's so many unanswered questions and it seems even the writers didn't know how to answer them
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 13:48:42 GMT -5
Something I saw on reddit: Night King not having much depth is kind of acceptable because he is just a killing machine, a force of nature (which is what I wanted to say last night but couldn't really articulate it..). Elaborating on the Children of the Forest instead may have helped more. Ideally both would've been explained so there's no questions. Right now there's so many unanswered questions and it seems even the writers didn't know how to answer them A force of nature doesn't smile. And a killing machine also doesn't just kind of wait around for 5000+ years. |
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 29, 2019 13:50:41 GMT -5
Something I saw on reddit: Night King not having much depth is kind of acceptable because he is just a killing machine, a force of nature (which is what I wanted to say last night but couldn't really articulate it..). Elaborating on the Children of the Forest instead may have helped more. Ideally both would've been explained so there's no questions. Right now there's so many unanswered questions and it seems even the writers didn't know how to answer them A force of nature doesn't smile. And a killing machine also doesn't just kind of wait around for 5000+ years. Yeah man idk I guess they fucked up either way |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 13:53:31 GMT -5
Something I saw on reddit: Night King not having much depth is kind of acceptable because he is just a killing machine, a force of nature (which is what I wanted to say last night but couldn't really articulate it..). Elaborating on the Children of the Forest instead may have helped more. Ideally both would've been explained so there's no questions. Right now there's so many unanswered questions and it seems even the writers didn't know how to answer them A force of nature doesn't smile. And a killing machine also doesn't just kind of wait around for 5000+ years. Having the Night King smirk made me think he wanted more beyond killing the Three-Eyed Raven. If he truly personified death, that bit seems a little strange. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 16:27:59 GMT -5
Hey at least now maybe we can say that the bullshit with Arya surviving getting stabbed a dozen times was the Lord of Light protecting her.
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 16:42:05 GMT -5
Hey at least now maybe we can say that the bullPotato Rules with Arya surviving getting stabbed a dozen times was the Lord of Light protecting her. Yeah they can say that in hindsight... but they wrote that script before deciding Arya would get the kill... |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 16:43:43 GMT -5
I rewatched the episode with my sister and I have to admit the episode was actually good up until the last ~5 minutes. Those last 5 minutes just really messed it up...
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 16:51:21 GMT -5
I rewatched the episode with my sister and I have to admit the episode was actually good up until the last ~5 minutes. Those last 5 minutes just really messed it up... I haven't rewatched it yet, but I plan to before next week. But that is my dilemma. I can live with a surprise defeat of the Night King, but I wish there was more lore beforehand. Or at the very least Bran and/ or Arya die alongside him. The combination of a lackluster in-universe explanation further fleshing out the White Walkers and no main character deaths made this frustrating. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 16:55:55 GMT -5
Decided to change my avatar to the other thing I cared most about heading into S8 besides the Night King. Yeah I probably need a new avatar too now. |
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Post by Levron on Apr 29, 2019 17:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 17:42:12 GMT -5
I rewatched the episode with my sister and I have to admit the episode was actually good up until the last ~5 minutes. Those last 5 minutes just really messed it up... I haven't rewatched it yet, but I plan to before next week. But that is my dilemma. I can live with a surprise defeat of the Night King, but I wish there was more lore beforehand. Or at the very least Bran and/ or Arya die alongside him. The combination of a lackluster in-universe explanation further fleshing out the White Walkers and no main character deaths made this frustrating. If the Night King had taken most main characters with him it would have been fine. Imagine the same scene, Sansa and Tyrion die in the crypts, Tormund and Gendry fall. Brienne and Jaime are barely holding their ground. One of the dragons is dead. Jon dies too. Melisandre sacrifices herself in some way. Theon dies the way he did. Then Night King approaches Bran, then Arya goes in for the kill and sacrifices herself for the living. It would not have been a great ending... but definitely better than what we got. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 30, 2019 0:19:48 GMT -5
Maybe this could’ve worked a bit better if we still had ten episode seasons and then the White Walkers were defeated in Episode Six or Seven. But having them fall to pieces literally three episodes after tearing down the wall just feels kinda wrong.
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 30, 2019 0:22:16 GMT -5
I still dont really know what it means to “erase the world” or why the Night King felt like doing that.
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Post by Pinda on Apr 30, 2019 7:58:14 GMT -5
The more I think about this episode the less sense it makes. There is so much that was pointless in the end, and so much we will never truly understand.
Everyone seems to be making up crazy theories that make this writing seem fine... but it's just the same as when people made theories about Arya and the Waif or Littlefinger still being alive somehow. The writing is just bad in these last seasons... The last good episode was the season 6 finale.
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Post by Star on Apr 30, 2019 8:22:34 GMT -5
The more I think about this episode the less sense it makes. There is so much that was pointless in the end, and so much we will never truly understand. Everyone seems to be making up crazy theories that make this writing seem fine... but it's just the same as when people made theories about Arya and the Waif or Littlefinger still being alive somehow. The writing is just bad in these last seasons... The last good episode was the season 6 finale. The Winds of Winter is probably my favorite episode of the entire series. |
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