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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 11:03:45 GMT -5
Basically the Night King got Snoked...
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 11:58:25 GMT -5
Basically the Night King got Snoked... Ummm yeah kinda |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 12:00:59 GMT -5
I really thought the throne would be irrelevant by this point.
Like I remember thinking that would all get sorted out in Season 7, likely with the death of Cersei, and that Season 8 would be living vs dead.
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 12:03:57 GMT -5
I won’t pretend I had any idea that the Night King would die but I wish some deaths on the side of the living had been a little less predictable.
I’m guessing Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Jaime are too important to the endgame but like anyone else they could’ve killed.
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:17:43 GMT -5
Some people think the Night King is not actually dead and will return... Honestly if that happens the writing is probably worse than I though... unless a new Night King is created near the end. I was thinking that there could be a scene like that in the final episode. The Long Night was stopped centuries ago, but then this supernatural threat occurred. So I wouldn't be surprised if something happened to make it begin all over again for future generations. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:20:30 GMT -5
I won’t pretend I had any idea that the Night King would die but I wish some deaths on the side of the living had been a little less predictable. I’m guessing Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Jaime are too important to the endgame but like anyone else they could’ve killed. Theon and Jorah were the heavy hitters for sure, but given this is the final stand for the dead, I would've liked to have seen a couple other big ones die here, too. Brienne, Podrick, Davos, Grey Worm, or Tormund could've worked. I really doubt any of them have a significant influence on the main plot at this point. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:24:59 GMT -5
I won’t pretend I had any idea that the Night King would die but I wish some deaths on the side of the living had been a little less predictable. I’m guessing Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Jaime are too important to the endgame but like anyone else they could’ve killed. It would have been better if the Night King actually killed Bran just before Arya got to him. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:26:26 GMT -5
Some people think the Night King is not actually dead and will return... Honestly if that happens the writing is probably worse than I though... unless a new Night King is created near the end. I was thinking that there could be a scene like that in the final episode. The Long Night was stopped centuries ago, but then this supernatural threat occurred. So I wouldn't be surprised if something happened to make it begin all over again for future generations. Well, the Others have been defeated before... And the only way to the defeat the Others is apparently to kill the Night King... so this must have happened before... in the show at least... I feel like in the book version there may have been a truce between the Others and First Men. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:28:35 GMT -5
I really thought the throne would be irrelevant by this point. Like I remember thinking that would all get sorted out in Season 7, likely with the death of Cersei, and that Season 8 would be living vs dead. I still think the throne is irrelevant. I still believe King's Landing will be blown up... even if it is not going to go as I expected. There will be no Iron Throne in the end. George RR Martin is a pacifist. He won't give the character that comes out on top through violence with a throne. The showrunners might though... |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 12:30:05 GMT -5
Maybe Bran’s death and then the Night King’s Death could’ve been a balance broken, balanced restored Mortis type deal.
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:30:19 GMT -5
I was thinking that there could be a scene like that in the final episode. The Long Night was stopped centuries ago, but then this supernatural threat occurred. So I wouldn't be surprised if something happened to make it begin all over again for future generations. Well, the Others have been defeated before... And the only way to the defeat the Others is apparently to kill the Night King... so this must have happened before... in the show at least... I feel like in the book version there may have been a truce between the Others and First Men. Do we know the time frame for the prequel series yet? They may elaborate about the lore of them in that. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 12:32:43 GMT -5
It also could’ve been satisfying for Arya and he Noght King to kill each other but they already kinda did that scenario with Lyanna Mormont.
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:32:54 GMT -5
Basically the Night King got Snoked... Ummm yeah kinda This is basically the Game of Thrones version of Last Jedi. "None of the stuff we set up during the last 7 movies seasons matters. The villain is just pure evil. The true hero is no one. Magical powers are irrelevant. The true villain is a lesser threat than the one who just died." |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:35:55 GMT -5
I really thought the throne would be irrelevant by this point. Like I remember thinking that would all get sorted out in Season 7, likely with the death of Cersei, and that Season 8 would be living vs dead. I still think the throne is irrelevant. I still believe King's Landing will be blown up... even if it is not going to go as I expected. There will be no Iron Throne in the end. George RR Martin is a pacifist. He won't give the character that comes out on top through violence with a throne. The showrunners might though... I think there's still a chance they might go for a democracy. At this point, I don't see anyone left being a fit ruler. Sansa's shown herself as a strong leader, but I can't envision her commanding more than the North. Dany is hellbent on winning the throne, while Jon isn't interested in wearing a crown, rendering them both as bad options. Gendry would feel a bit random given he was sidelined half of the show. There's always Cersei, but I'm not sure if she'd have a throne to rule from if she defeats everyone else. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:36:00 GMT -5
Well, the Others have been defeated before... And the only way to the defeat the Others is apparently to kill the Night King... so this must have happened before... in the show at least... I feel like in the book version there may have been a truce between the Others and First Men. Do we know the time frame for the prequel series yet? They may elaborate about the lore of them in that. I think they said it takes place 5000 years before the show and it is focused on the original Long Night. So they may explain what happened with the Night King back then... But I really don't see how they could drive him back for 5000 years without killing him if they didn't have some kind of truce. But since that show is set in the same canon as this one (most likely) I doubt they will take that route because that would make this episode look even stupider. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:37:42 GMT -5
It also could’ve been satisfying for Arya and he Noght King to kill each other but they already kinda did that scenario with Lyanna Mormont. Yeah, that would've been annoying I think. It was already getting a little repetitive how everyone that died had a "heroic" final stand. Even Edd, whose death was the most sudden, saved Sam from dying. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:38:58 GMT -5
I still think the throne is irrelevant. I still believe King's Landing will be blown up... even if it is not going to go as I expected. There will be no Iron Throne in the end. George RR Martin is a pacifist. He won't give the character that comes out on top through violence with a throne. The showrunners might though... I think there's still a chance they might go for a democracy. At this point, I don't see anyone left being a fit ruler. Sansa's shown herself as a strong leader, but I can't envision her commanding more than the North. Dany is hellbent on winning the throne, while Jon isn't interested in wearing a crown, rendering them both as bad options. Gendry would feel a bit random given he was sidelined half of the show. There's always Cersei, but I'm not sure if she'd have a throne to rule from if she defeats everyone else. Democracy could be an option. If Jon ends up in charge he may opt to use adapt the Nightwatch's system of selecting leaders for all of Westoros. The thing is, you can't really go from a feudal society to democracy in just a few years, so it is unrealistic for that to just happen on screen. Maybe we will see the first steps though. Or we end up with 7 independent kingdoms again. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:39:17 GMT -5
Do we know the time frame for the prequel series yet? They may elaborate about the lore of them in that. I think they said it takes place 5000 years before the show and it is focused on the original Long Night. So they may explain what happened with the Night King back then... But I really don't see how they could drive him back for 5000 years without killing him if they didn't have some kind of truce. But since that show is set in the same canon as this one (most likely) I doubt they will take that route because that would make this episode look even stupider. In terms of the show canon, I think they may opt for some kind of magic to allow the White Walkers to regain strength, rather than a truce maintaining a delicate balance until this point. Like you said, any kind of treaty renders the Night King's motives in these recent episodes as silly. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:39:33 GMT -5
It also could’ve been satisfying for Arya and he Noght King to kill each other but they already kinda did that scenario with Lyanna Mormont. Yeah, that would've been annoying I think. It was already getting a little repetitive how everyone that died had a "heroic" final stand. Even Edd, whose death was the most sudden, saved Sam from dying. I think Jorah's last stand was good, but we didn't need the other two. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:40:59 GMT -5
I think they said it takes place 5000 years before the show and it is focused on the original Long Night. So they may explain what happened with the Night King back then... But I really don't see how they could drive him back for 5000 years without killing him if they didn't have some kind of truce. But since that show is set in the same canon as this one (most likely) I doubt they will take that route because that would make this episode look even stupider. In terms of the show canon, I think they may opt for some kind of magic to allow the White Walkers to regain strength, rather than a truce maintaining a delicate balance until this point. Like you said, any kind of treaty renders the Night King's motives in these recent episodes as silly. I don't think a treaty would render the Night King's motives as silly... But these episodes would look silly for not exploring them. Perhaps mankind broke the treaty and that is why he came? But if the original show never touches on that the prequel probably won't either. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:42:07 GMT -5
I think there's still a chance they might go for a democracy. At this point, I don't see anyone left being a fit ruler. Sansa's shown herself as a strong leader, but I can't envision her commanding more than the North. Dany is hellbent on winning the throne, while Jon isn't interested in wearing a crown, rendering them both as bad options. Gendry would feel a bit random given he was sidelined half of the show. There's always Cersei, but I'm not sure if she'd have a throne to rule from if she defeats everyone else. Democracy could be an option. If Jon ends up in charge he may opt to use adapt the Nightwatch's system of selecting leaders for all of Westoros. The thing is, you can't really go from a feudal society to democracy in just a few years, so it is unrealistic for that to just happen on screen. Maybe we will see the first steps though. Or we end up with 7 independent kingdoms again. Well, since episode 5 is directed by the same guy as episode 3, it indicates there will be some kind of major action sequence. It's possible Cersei and any other final villain is defeated by the end of it and then episode 6 serves as a quasi-epilogue for the entire series. The other option I can see is that the first 15-30 minutes of the final episode play out in a Sept of Baelor fashion. In other words, the final twist occurs and then the rest is showing how everything falls into place as the series concludes. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:43:38 GMT -5
In terms of the show canon, I think they may opt for some kind of magic to allow the White Walkers to regain strength, rather than a truce maintaining a delicate balance until this point. Like you said, any kind of treaty renders the Night King's motives in these recent episodes as silly. I don't think a treaty would render the Night King's motives as silly... But these episodes would look silly for not exploring them. Perhaps mankind broke the treaty and that is why he came? But if the original show never touches on that the prequel probably won't either. That's what I meant. It looks like we may not delve deeper into the lore, so exploring it further in a prequel series might make these episodes with the Night King feel disjointed due to keeping it so mysterious. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:50:20 GMT -5
The crypt "twist" (everyone saw it coming) was useless too because no named character died there...
For a moment I thought Tyrion and Sansa were going to kill themselves though, to avoid becoming part of the army of the dead... I would have liked that to be honest...
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:50:50 GMT -5
Regardless of the ending though, I think its music is some of the show's finest (especially 6:25-end):
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:51:55 GMT -5
Democracy could be an option. If Jon ends up in charge he may opt to use adapt the Nightwatch's system of selecting leaders for all of Westoros. The thing is, you can't really go from a feudal society to democracy in just a few years, so it is unrealistic for that to just happen on screen. Maybe we will see the first steps though. Or we end up with 7 independent kingdoms again. Well, since episode 5 is directed by the same guy as episode 3, it indicates there will be some kind of major action sequence. It's possible Cersei and any other final villain is defeated by the end of it and then episode 6 serves as a quasi-epilogue for the entire series. The other option I can see is that the first 15-30 minutes of the final episode play out in a Sept of Baelor fashion. In other words, the final twist occurs and then the rest is showing how everything falls into place as the series concludes. Probably yes... I just feel like the ending is going to be very underwhelming now. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:52:39 GMT -5
The crypt "twist" (everyone saw it coming) was useless too because no named character died there... For a moment I thought Tyrion and Sansa were going to kill themselves though, to avoid becoming part of the army of the dead... I would have liked that to be honest... The lack of significant deaths there made that sequence feel weak compared to everything happening outside, even though in any other episode it would've been exciting. Part of me was hoping everyone in the crypts would die.  |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 29, 2019 12:53:44 GMT -5
Regardless of the ending though, I think its music is some of the show's finest (especially 6:25-end): Oh definitely, the music in GOT is always great... not matter how bad the writing gets. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 29, 2019 12:55:15 GMT -5
The crypt "twist" (everyone saw it coming) was useless too because no named character died there... For a moment I thought Tyrion and Sansa were going to kill themselves though, to avoid becoming part of the army of the dead... I would have liked that to be honest... I thought Varys or Gilly were going to die. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:55:30 GMT -5
Well, since episode 5 is directed by the same guy as episode 3, it indicates there will be some kind of major action sequence. It's possible Cersei and any other final villain is defeated by the end of it and then episode 6 serves as a quasi-epilogue for the entire series. The other option I can see is that the first 15-30 minutes of the final episode play out in a Sept of Baelor fashion. In other words, the final twist occurs and then the rest is showing how everything falls into place as the series concludes. Probably yes... I just feel like the ending is going to be very underwhelming now. Is there something that could happen in the final 3 episodes to make you move beyond the Night King's defeat? Because honestly, after finishing the episode last night, I was definitely less excited for the rest of the season knowing the White Walker threat was now over. |
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Post by Star on Apr 29, 2019 12:56:59 GMT -5
On another note, I'm glad Melisandre arrived at the beginning of the episode to help instead of in the middle. I was worried she'd have a Gandalf the White effect, but fortunately this wasn't the case.
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