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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 7:43:49 GMT -5
So the villain's name is Kylo Ren? Interesting, no "Darth" in front of his name... maybe Disney thought this through and didn't bring back the Sith and ruin Anakin's story (probably not). Actually hope they tare that crap apart and have sith. Well, that would ruin the point of the other two trilogies... |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 7:45:29 GMT -5
So the villain's name is Kylo Ren? Interesting, no "Darth" in front of his name... maybe Disney thought this through and didn't bring back the Sith and ruin Anakin's story (probably not). Well Anakin's story doesn't really make sense anyway you can't really completely get rid of the Sith Well, you can... by killing Sidious Anakin killed the last living Sith, so no one could teach a new Sith apprentice. Which means that the Sith Order ends there. They could have a new Sith Order, based on the old Sith Order, but it would be separate from the original one. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 12, 2014 8:44:45 GMT -5
I thought Anakin's destiny had more with bringing balance back to the Force, rather then simply getting rid of the Sith?
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 12, 2014 8:54:09 GMT -5
I thought Anakin's destiny had more with bringing balance back to the Force, rather then simply getting rid of the Sith? Well if Qui-Gon thought Anakin was supposed to make Sith equal to Jedi in a time there were zero Sith, he probably would've killed his ass. I'm pretty sure he was supposed to destroy the Sith, because they had six movies and thirty years explaining that. |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Dec 12, 2014 11:26:57 GMT -5
So the villain's name is Kylo Ren? Interesting, no "Darth" in front of his name... maybe Disney thought this through and didn't bring back the Sith and ruin Anakin's story (probably not). Well Anakin's story doesn't really make sense anyway you can't really completely get rid of the Sith I like Namialus 's theory for the whole chosen one and bring balance. If Nam's is right then I love it. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 11:40:59 GMT -5
Actually it wouldn't ruin anything mainly just TPM which is expendable.
You can't really get rid of the sith or bring balance that's just retarded.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 12, 2014 15:50:02 GMT -5
Well Anakin's story doesn't really make sense anyway you can't really completely get rid of the Sith I like Namialus 's theory for the whole chosen one and bring balance. If Nam's is right then I love it. That Vader himself is the imbalance, and to bring balance to the Force, he's the one who had to die? |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 12, 2014 16:36:58 GMT -5
Well Anakin's story doesn't really make sense anyway you can't really completely get rid of the Sith Well, you can... by killing Sidious Anakin killed the last living Sith, so no one could teach a new Sith apprentice. Which means that the Sith Order ends there. They could have a new Sith Order, based on the old Sith Order, but it would be separate from the original one. Well there could've been like other Sith it's a big universe also there are holocrons and whatnot that can be learned from so IMO the Sith order didn't really end after Sidious and Vader died but it was more like handfuls of Sith/darkside red around the galaxy similar to the Jedi after the purge I thought Anakin's destiny had more with bringing balance back to the Force, rather then simply getting rid of the Sith? Yeah that's what they said but that is also kinda dumb because balance would mean Sith (dark) and Jedi (light) not just Jedi/light because then it's unbalanced. Also from like a sciency perspective an energy field doesn't need balance and I'm not sure how it could have it.. I like Namialus 's theory for the whole chosen one and bring balance. If Nam's is right then I love it. That Vader himself is the imbalance, and to bring balance to the Force, he's the one who had to die? I don't see how Vader could be an imbalance? |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Dec 12, 2014 16:40:04 GMT -5
I like Namialus 's theory for the whole chosen one and bring balance. If Nam's is right then I love it. That Vader himself is the imbalance, and to bring balance to the Force, he's the one who had to die? Yes |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 12, 2014 16:40:42 GMT -5
Actually what is the dark side and light side of the force really.... To me there's just the Force and light and dark are just titles created for force users based on how and for what they use the force... Idk if it's like explained or whatever in EU or if I'm forgetting something but there seem to be a lot of holes in the idea  |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 17:07:19 GMT -5
Yeah it's likely there may have been other Sith somewhere
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 17:11:02 GMT -5
Yeah it's likely there may have been other Sith somewhere No, they wouldn't be official Sith since they were never trained by the Sith. They would simply be darkside users, they wouldn't be deserving of the title "Sith" since only two people (after Darth Bane) could have that title. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 12, 2014 17:19:50 GMT -5
That Vader himself is the imbalance, and to bring balance to the Force, he's the one who had to die? I don't see how Vader could be an imbalance? Anakin had an extremely high midichlorian count. He was extremely powerful - being on either side would tip the 'war' in their favor. So, if he was on the light side, the Force was out of balance because there was too much power on the light side. And then the same thing happened when he joined the dark side. So he had to die, because was the cause of the balance always tipping. |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 12, 2014 17:22:39 GMT -5
I don't see how Vader could be an imbalance? Anakin had an extremely high midichlorian count. He was extremely powerful - being on either side would tip the 'war' in their favor. So, if he was on the light side, the Force was out of balance because there was too much power on the light side. And then the same thing happened when he joined the dark side. So he had to die, because was the cause of the balance always tipping. Idk. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 17:25:52 GMT -5
I don't see how Vader could be an imbalance? Anakin had an extremely high midichlorian count. He was extremely powerful - being on either side would tip the 'war' in their favor. So, if he was on the light side, the Force was out of balance because there was too much power on the light side. And then the same thing happened when he joined the dark side. So he had to die, because was the cause of the balance always tipping. Interesting theory... but then Anakin never really brought balance to the force if he unbalanced it himself in the first place. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 12, 2014 17:26:05 GMT -5
Anakin had an extremely high midichlorian count. He was extremely powerful - being on either side would tip the 'war' in their favor. So, if he was on the light side, the Force was out of balance because there was too much power on the light side. And then the same thing happened when he joined the dark side. So he had to die, because was the cause of the balance always tipping. Idk. It's better than balance being only the light side, or that balance occurs when there's the same amount of users on both sides (such as post-ROTS, when there were two light side users and two dark side users). The only other idea I like as much as Vader being the imbalance is the fact that true balance came with Luke and his much less strict Jedi Order. |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 12, 2014 17:28:32 GMT -5
Anakin had an extremely high midichlorian count. He was extremely powerful - being on either side would tip the 'war' in their favor. So, if he was on the light side, the Force was out of balance because there was too much power on the light side. And then the same thing happened when he joined the dark side. So he had to die, because was the cause of the balance always tipping. Interesting theory... but then Anakin never really brought balance to the force if he unbalanced it himself in the first place. Yes, he "unbalanced" it by being born because of Plagueis' intervention (which was unnatural and, well, wrong) and then the only way to fix it was for him to die. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 17:47:58 GMT -5
Yeah it's likely there may have been other Sith somewhere No, they wouldn't be official Sith since they were never trained by the Sith. They would simply be darkside users, they wouldn't be deserving of the title "Sith" since only two people (after Darth Bane) could have that title. There could have just been a small group of sith in hiding like a cult somewhere. Stretching all the way back before Bane. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 18:14:42 GMT -5
Interesting theory... but then Anakin never really brought balance to the force if he unbalanced it himself in the first place. Yes, he "unbalanced" it by being born because of Plagueis' intervention (which was unnatural and, well, wrong) and then the only way to fix it was for him to die. Wait, didn't the Darth Plagueis book (I know it's non-canon now) say Anakin was born as a reaction from the force to Plagueis becoming too powerful? |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 18:15:31 GMT -5
No, they wouldn't be official Sith since they were never trained by the Sith. They would simply be darkside users, they wouldn't be deserving of the title "Sith" since only two people (after Darth Bane) could have that title. There could have just been a small group of sith in hiding like a cult somewhere. Stretching all the way back before Bane. Seems unlikely that another group of Sith was hiding somewhere unnoticed by both the Jedi and the Sith... |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 18:17:42 GMT -5
There could have just been a small group of sith in hiding like a cult somewhere. Stretching all the way back before Bane. Seems unlikely that another group of Sith was hiding somewhere unnoticed by both the Jedi and the Sith... Well since they took Swtor armour for that guy and the Lightsaber looks ancient. I would not be surprised if they did something similar like how the sith where in hiding for a long time in TOR. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 18:23:09 GMT -5
Seems unlikely that another group of Sith was hiding somewhere unnoticed by both the Jedi and the Sith... Well since they took Swtor armour for that guy and the Lightsaber looks ancient. I would not be surprised if they did something similar like how the sith where in hiding for a long time in TOR. Well, we'll see. Also, just because Disney decides to do something doesn't mean it makes sense... Just look at Rebels... |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 12, 2014 18:28:38 GMT -5
Yes, he "unbalanced" it by being born because of Plagueis' intervention (which was unnatural and, well, wrong) and then the only way to fix it was for him to die. Wait, didn't the Darth Plagueis book (I know it's non-canon now) say Anakin was born as a reaction from the force to Plagueis becoming too powerful? Wasn't it Plagueis' creation? Which is why Palpatine was shocked at the end, when he spoke to Dooku and found out Anakin was born without a father, realizing he's Plagueis' creation? |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 18:56:33 GMT -5
Wait, didn't the Darth Plagueis book (I know it's non-canon now) say Anakin was born as a reaction from the force to Plagueis becoming too powerful? Wasn't it Plagueis' creation? Which is why Palpatine was shocked at the end, when he spoke to Dooku and found out Anakin was born without a father, realizing he's Plagueis' creation? Well, I don't think it's mentioned anywhere in the book that Plagueis willingly created Anakin. He had something to do with his birth, but he didn't create Anakin on purpose. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 19:03:34 GMT -5
Well since they took Swtor armour for that guy and the Lightsaber looks ancient. I would not be surprised if they did something similar like how the sith where in hiding for a long time in TOR. Well, we'll see. Also, just because Disney decides to do something doesn't mean it makes sense... Just look at Rebels... That does make sense a lot more sense then what George Lucas had going with the chosen one and balance. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 19:04:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they both made Anakin together. No way was Plagueis that powerful on his own
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 12, 2014 19:06:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they both made Anakin together. No way was Plagueis that powerful on his own  |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 19:27:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they both made Anakin together. No way was Plagueis that powerful on his own He could create life... |
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Post by Newan on Dec 12, 2014 19:33:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they both made Anakin together. No way was Plagueis that powerful on his own He could create life... Manipulate existing life. Like kill one guy and bring him back. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2014 20:00:48 GMT -5
Manipulate existing life. Like kill one guy and bring him back. "Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life. He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying." - Palpatine Of course Palpatine could have been exaggerating or lying, but it is implied he can create life. |
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