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Post by Spidyyr on Feb 23, 2014 15:29:55 GMT -5
So controlling life itself and creating the Sith Grand Plan is not noteworthy? The sith Grand Plan was not formulated by Plageius himself and controlling life is insignificant next to consuming a planet That just sounds funny. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:30:54 GMT -5
I don't see how that really makes him powerful. He's able to create life? Okay how is that going to help you in the stretch of things.... You do know that all Sith desired immortality, right? But no one figured it out because Sith can't, they lack compassion. But Plagueis, a Sith, did. Plageius only utilised Midi chlorians effectively once and that was an accident. Also, he was not immortal. Palpatine's account of Plageius' powers are exaggerated |
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 15:33:01 GMT -5
You do know that all Sith desired immortality, right? But no one figured it out because Sith can't, they lack compassion. But Plagueis, a Sith, did. Plageius only utilised Midi chlorians effectively once and that was an accident. Also, he was not immortal. Palpatine's account of Plageius' powers are exaggerated We don't know that, actually. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2014 15:33:50 GMT -5
I don't see how that really makes him powerful. He's able to create life? Okay how is that going to help you in the stretch of things.... You do know that all Sith desired immortality, right? But no one figured it out because Sith can't, they lack compassion. But Plagueis, a Sith, did. But other sith found immortality before him and before episode 3 even aired... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:33:56 GMT -5
Plageius only utilised Midi chlorians effectively once and that was an accident. Also, he was not immortal. Palpatine's account of Plageius' powers are exaggerated We don't know that, actually. We do and Palpatine lied to bring Anakin to the darkside |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:35:49 GMT -5
The sith Grand Plan was not formulated by Plageius himself and controlling life is insignificant next to consuming a planet That just sounds funny. It is insignificant next to destroying planet because it was accidentally discovered. Whereas the planet that was consumed happened to house 99% of the Jedi Order at the time and it was consumed within a second. Consuming a planet which houses almost all the Jedi in the galaxy in seconds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accidentally coming across midi chlorians |
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 15:41:48 GMT -5
You do know that all Sith desired immortality, right? But no one figured it out because Sith can't, they lack compassion. But Plagueis, a Sith, did. But other sith found immortality before him and before episode 3 even aired... That's an EU thing and one that doesn't even make sense. Qui-Gon knew Sith couldn't gain immortality because they didn't have compassion like the Jedi did. Sith finding immortality directly contradicts with actual G-Canon. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:42:16 GMT -5
Plagueis is a utter weakling compared to even the most mediocre sith. End of story.
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Post by Pinda on Feb 23, 2014 15:42:26 GMT -5
The sith Grand Plan was not formulated by Plageius himself and controlling life is insignificant next to consuming a planet Actually the Grand Plan Sidious executed was thought up by Plagueis. From what I understood about the book Sidious manipulated Plagueis to aid him in his plan. But I don't consider it full canon though. Sidious is behind the entire plan in my opinion. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Feb 23, 2014 15:44:02 GMT -5
It is insignificant next to destroying planet because it was accidentally discovered. Whereas the planet that was consumed happened to house 99% of the Jedi Order at the time and it was consumed within a second. Consuming a planet which houses almost all the Jedi in the galaxy in seconds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accidentally coming across midi chlorians "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force" -Darth Vader |
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Post by Pinda on Feb 23, 2014 15:44:07 GMT -5
It is insignificant next to destroying planet because it was accidentally discovered. Whereas the planet that was consumed happened to house 99% of the Jedi Order at the time and it was consumed within a second. Consuming a planet which houses almost all the Jedi in the galaxy in seconds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accidentally coming across midi chlorians I don't know what you're talking about but consuming a planet seems a bit overpowered and I wouldn't consider it canon... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:45:51 GMT -5
It is insignificant next to destroying planet because it was accidentally discovered. Whereas the planet that was consumed happened to house 99% of the Jedi Order at the time and it was consumed within a second. Consuming a planet which houses almost all the Jedi in the galaxy in seconds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accidentally coming across midi chlorians "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force" -Darth Vader But the planet was consumed using the force. Darth Nihilus used the power of the force to do it... That quote by Darth Vader was comparing a machine's power to destroy a planet to the force. Force>Machines . Also, the planet was consumed not destroyed. |
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 15:47:08 GMT -5
Actually the Grand Plan Sidious executed was thought up by Plagueis. From what I understood about the book Sidious manipulated Plagueis to aid him in his plan. But I don't consider it full canon though. Sidious is behind the entire plan in my opinion. Plagueis thought of while Sidious executed it. |
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 15:47:22 GMT -5
Plagueis is a utter weakling compared to even the most mediocre sith. End of story. You can't be serious. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Feb 23, 2014 15:48:31 GMT -5
Plagieus killed the mighty Darth Gandalf.
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:50:08 GMT -5
Plagueis is a utter weakling compared to even the most mediocre sith. End of story. You can't be serious. I am. Pit him against any Old Republic Sith and he will be dead within 5 seconds. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Feb 23, 2014 15:55:06 GMT -5
I had this idea about Darth Plagieus returning in TCW that I'm sure would never happen but I thought I'd share it anyway. Here it is:
Around TPM, Plagieus knew Sidious was becoming too powerful and would try to kill him so he came up with a plan to survive. He linked himself to Darth Maul and kept him from dying when Obi-Wan cut him in half. So that's why Darth Maul survived. Plagieus's spirit hid in Darth Maul's mind until the time right. When Sidious came to kill Maul, Plagieus made his escape and was resurrected in a new body. So he returns from the dead, and Maul was just a pawn in the Plagieus's plan.
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Post by Pinda on Feb 23, 2014 15:55:38 GMT -5
From what I understood about the book Sidious manipulated Plagueis to aid him in his plan. But I don't consider it full canon though. Sidious is behind the entire plan in my opinion. Plagueis thought of while Sidious executed it. Well, I think Sidious actually came up with the plan and manipulated Plagueis in executing it as his own plan. I think Sidious mentioned that at some point in the book. And it's true. If you look back you can see Sidious suggested most of the important parts of the plan to Plagueis. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:56:31 GMT -5
Plagueis thought of while Sidious executed it. Well, I think Sidious actually came up with the plan and manipulated Plagueis in executing it as his own plan. I think Sidious mentioned that at some point in the book. And it's true. If you look back you can see Sidious suggested most of the important parts of the plan to Plagueis. The plan originated in Darth Bane's time, Plagueis and Sidious just expanded upon it |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 15:57:59 GMT -5
It is insignificant next to destroying planet because it was accidentally discovered. Whereas the planet that was consumed happened to house 99% of the Jedi Order at the time and it was consumed within a second. Consuming a planet which houses almost all the Jedi in the galaxy in seconds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accidentally coming across midi chlorians I don't know what you're talking about but consuming a planet seems a bit overpowered and I wouldn't consider it canon... It is completely canon and every bit of the script of KOTOR I & II was approved by George Lucas. And Nihilus' backstory is explained and how he obtained his powers becomes clear |
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Post by Pinda on Feb 23, 2014 16:00:29 GMT -5
I don't know what you're talking about but consuming a planet seems a bit overpowered and I wouldn't consider it canon... It is completely canon and every bit of the script of KOTOR I & II was approved by George Lucas. And Nihilus' backstory is explained and how he obtained his powers becomes clear I'd consider it exaggerated canon. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Feb 23, 2014 16:05:10 GMT -5
It is completely canon and every bit of the script of KOTOR I & II was approved by George Lucas. And Nihilus' backstory is explained and how he obtained his powers becomes clear I'd consider it exaggerated canon. It isn't really. If you learn Nihilus' backstory it makes perfect sense |
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Post by Tyler Joseph on Feb 23, 2014 16:34:55 GMT -5
I don't see how that really makes him powerful. He's able to create life? Okay how is that going to help you in the stretch of things.... You do know that all Sith desired immortality, right? But no one figured it out because Sith can't, they lack compassion. But Plagueis, a Sith, did. tenabrae/lord vitiate/the emperor achieved immortality and gave it to his Wrath, scourge. It is explained in Revan, a swasome book.  |
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2014 18:02:19 GMT -5
But other sith found immortality before him and before episode 3 even aired... That's an EU thing and one that doesn't even make sense. Qui-Gon knew Sith couldn't gain immortality because they didn't have compassion like the Jedi did. Sith finding immortality directly contradicts with actual G-Canon. No it doesn't. Sith couldn't gain immortality in the form of a force Ghost. End of story. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2014 18:03:31 GMT -5
Nihilus and Sion where immortal. Nihilus kept his essence in his mask.
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 18:05:06 GMT -5
That's an EU thing and one that doesn't even make sense. Qui-Gon knew Sith couldn't gain immortality because they didn't have compassion like the Jedi did. Sith finding immortality directly contradicts with actual G-Canon. No it doesn't. Sith couldn't gain immortality in the form of a force Ghost. End of story. Sith fear death because they can't stay alive with the Force as a Jedi could. End of story. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2014 18:07:13 GMT -5
No it doesn't. Sith couldn't gain immortality in the form of a force Ghost. End of story. Sith fear death because they can't stay alive with the Force as a Jedi could. End of story. And that doesn't explain why sith can't become immortal.... It's canon end of story. |
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 18:10:39 GMT -5
Sith fear death because they can't stay alive with the Force as a Jedi could. End of story. And that doesn't explain why sith can't become immortal.... It's canon end of story. Immortality = not dying. Jedi do not die because they become part of the Force and are able to return as Ghosts. Sith are not, they lack compassion. Once they die, they're dead. The fact that Sith can stay immortal is non-canon because G-canon directly states that Sith are unable to stay alive - again they lack compassion. That's what makes Plagueis powerful - he might have stayed alive despite being a Sith. End of story. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2014 18:15:37 GMT -5
And that doesn't explain why sith can't become immortal.... It's canon end of story. Immortality = not dying. Jedi do not die because they become part of the Force and are able to return as Ghosts. Sith are not, they lack compassion. Once they die, they're dead. The fact that Sith can stay immortal is non-canon because G-canon directly states that Sith are unable to stay alive - again they lack compassion. That's what makes Plagueis powerful - he might have stayed alive despite being a Sith. End of story. OMFG would you actually think? Compassion and that shit has nothing to do with being immortal and I know what immortality is. That stuff does affect any of it. Sith can stay alive in the pyshical form. Might does not cut it. |
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Post by Namialus on Feb 23, 2014 18:20:05 GMT -5
Immortality = not dying. Jedi do not die because they become part of the Force and are able to return as Ghosts. Sith are not, they lack compassion. Once they die, they're dead. The fact that Sith can stay immortal is non-canon because G-canon directly states that Sith are unable to stay alive - again they lack compassion. That's what makes Plagueis powerful - he might have stayed alive despite being a Sith. End of story. OMFG would you actually think? Compassion and that Potato Rules has nothing to do with being immortal and I know what immortality is. That stuff does affect any of it. Sith can stay alive in the pyshical form. Might does not cut it. Qui-Gon directly states that one requires compassion to achieve immortality. That is G-canon. Everything else contradicts that, therefore it is non-canon. |
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