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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 27, 2022 14:46:50 GMT -5
Really quite enjoyed it. Have a few issues, but otherwise a very solid beginning. Kind of weird how Reva knew about Anakin, but I'm guessing the temple scene is meant to kind of set up how she knows. Very much appreciate the clone hobo cameo too lol It's a bit more of a slow burn, but I appreciate it. Also, I kind of like little Leia. Not sure why they had to have the T-16 toy to have a backstory. Makes it feel like X-Men Origins Wolverine  Still, I feel like the best really is yet to come here. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 27, 2022 14:49:06 GMT -5
Also, is no one talking about how Rebels is kind of non-canon now? |
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2022 22:54:42 GMT -5
Also, is no one talking about how Rebels is kind of non-canon now? If you are referring to grand inquisitor, he’s probably not dead. They just released the trailer for the Fallen Order sequel and he’s in that as well. Also Rebels plot is likely a big part of the Ahsoka show and the upcoming Rebels continuation show they have planned. |
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Post by Star on May 29, 2022 10:09:15 GMT -5
I thought both episodes were very good. Really enjoyed being on a planet in Episode 2 that felt so lived in and wasn't a basic desert, forest, etc. It's a little strange that Obi-Wan supposedly finds out that Anakin is still alive through Reva, but maybe that ties into more of her backstory. Speaking of, it's a little odd how hellbent she is on getting Obi-Wan. It almost makes Fifth Brother look too nice.
Grand Inquisitor definitely isn't dead, this is probably a way to remove him from the story for a bit as Reva continues her hunt. She likely has some connection to Anakin, maybe we'll get another Temple flashback or something that tells us more.
Young Leia was a surprise to see, but I really enjoy the dynamic between Obi-Wan and her. I feel like this show combined with the Ahsoka series will make Rebels more popular/loved by fans.
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Post by Kenbo on May 29, 2022 10:11:10 GMT -5
Also, is no one talking about how Rebels is kind of non-canon now? If you are referring to grand inquisitor, he’s probably not dead. They just released the trailer for the Fallen Order sequel and he’s in that as well. Also Rebels plot is likely a big part of the Ahsoka show and the upcoming Rebels continuation show they have planned. That's not GI, it's an imperial senator But yeah no way he's dead. Weird how many people think he is. They contradict a lot of smaller stuff but I doubt they'd mess up something like this |
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Post by Newan on May 29, 2022 17:00:22 GMT -5
If you are referring to grand inquisitor, he’s probably not dead. They just released the trailer for the Fallen Order sequel and he’s in that as well. Also Rebels plot is likely a big part of the Ahsoka show and the upcoming Rebels continuation show they have planned. That's not GI, it's an imperial senator But yeah no way he's dead. Weird how many people think he is. They contradict a lot of smaller stuff but I doubt they'd mess up something like this Really? Looks a lot like Rebels version of GI. |
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Post by Newan on May 29, 2022 17:02:27 GMT -5
So what episode do you guys think they will meet? I’m thinking end of episode 4 on a cliffhanger I’m not really sure what’s gonna fill up episode 3 and 4 tbh. Might be a little bit of filler like Boba Fett till we likely get some epic things in 5/6.
We will probably see Mustafar next episode with Vader or maybe the planet the Inquisitor castle is on.
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Post by Newan on May 29, 2022 17:05:03 GMT -5
I do kinda hope Leia gets cut loose after episode 3 though, beginning of 4 at the max. The clone wars flashbacks better come soon, no way they cast Hayden just to walk around in the suit.
You guys see the questionnaire interview thing with Hayden and Ewan? It’s pretty wholesome, they are such good friends.
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Post by Newan on Jun 1, 2022 6:35:23 GMT -5
Bruh that episode was pretty good.. honestly I think the first half might have been the best yet. Kenobi and Leías conversation was pretty nice and that hallucination of Anakin was sweet. Hope we get to see more of Hayden.
Vader was super menacing here, honestly surprised this is a Disney plus show at this point. Kenobi is legit terrified of him. Although it’s obvious Vader is just toying with him. Once he realized how weak Kenobi is at this point I just think he lets him get away so he can have his fun with the hunt especially now that he can play off Kenobis fear. Vader was probably ready for a real fight at first.
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Post by Newan on Jun 1, 2022 6:36:26 GMT -5
Also Mustafar and the Inquisitors planet was really cool. I forget the name of the later. Lots of locations so far, this is probably the highest budget Disney plus show so far. Loki is likely the closest one then Mando.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 1, 2022 10:12:42 GMT -5
😐 Don't know what to say... Literal fan film quality. Not sure where you're seeing that high budget, newan when most of this episode was just some random California desert lol. This may as well have been Tython.
Disappointingly low production value, clown Inquisitors, laughably bad choreography in the duel. There was one shot where Vader just slams his saber on Obi-Wan's 3 times when he's on the ground. I thought their entire goal with this show was to show up the ANH duel but this was almost worse. Vader just stands there and let's Obi-Wan get away. He couldn't put out the fire again like he did a minute ago?
Their whole meeting was incredibly underwhelming. Barely any dialogue, a lot of running around for Obi-Wan and just standing around for Vader. I thought they were building up to an epic shot of Obi-Wan igniting his saber as he wasn't using it before but no
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Post by Newan on Jun 1, 2022 20:59:39 GMT -5
😐 Don't know what to say... Literal fan film quality. Not sure where you're seeing that high budget, newan when most of this episode was just some random California desert lol. This may as well have been Tython. Disappointingly low production value, clown Inquisitors, laughably bad choreography in the duel. There was one shot where Vader just slams his saber on Obi-Wan's 3 times when he's on the ground. I thought their entire goal with this show was to show up the ANH duel but this was almost worse. Vader just stands there and let's Obi-Wan get away. He couldn't put out the fire again like he did a minute ago? Their whole meeting was incredibly underwhelming. Barely any dialogue, a lot of running around for Obi-Wan and just standing around for Vader. I thought they were building up to an epic shot of Obi-Wan igniting his saber as he wasn't using it before but no Episode 2 was definitely a much bigger planet. So was Alderaan and there’s been a lot of aliens in this show. I think the budget is pretty good. Actually I don’t think Vader let Kenobi get away, he’s gonna use Kenobi to find this “Path” and he will destroy all of them on Jabiim. This is what the emperor would want, not a personal vendetta. |
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Post by Star on Jun 2, 2022 14:50:53 GMT -5
They packed a lot into this episode, really enjoyed it. The interactions between Obi-Wan and Leia are fantastic. Even the scenes with them on the shuttle with the Stormtroopers had a good bit of tension despite us knowing both characters are safe.
Loved the shoutout to Quinlan Vos, I think there's a good chance we'll see him in this show. He might come out to help Obi-Wan recover from his encounter with Vader. Also for only being the midway point of the show, I'm surprised they gave us Obi-Wan versus Vader, although I'm sure we'll get a rematch before the end. Like Newan said, I think Vader realized he can use Obi-Wan to find other surviving Jedi. We might even get a showdown where Vader and the Inquisitors take on a handful of survivors, including Vos.
I'm still waiting for more backstory on Reva, particularly with her knowledge that Vader is Anakin. That's probably my biggest question right now. Hopefully we get a flashback that answers this.
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Post by Star on Jun 2, 2022 14:59:29 GMT -5
For only 3 episodes, I think this show has done a lot to expand the lore and build on existing plots. We've visited multiple locations, a welcome surprise when initially it seemed like this show would only be on Tatooine. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stuff we see here with the Empire is further developed in Andor.
I'd love to get a Clone Wars flashback with Anakin and Obi-Wan, maybe from Vader's perspective as he's in his bacta tank. Also holding out some hope that we get Qui-Gon's Force Ghost with Obi-Wan.
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Post by Newan on Jun 3, 2022 23:23:45 GMT -5
Kenbo does this take place before or after Fallen Order? Trilla is dead at this point right? I think Fallen Order is 7 or 8 years after ROTS but I might be confusing it with Solo.
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Post by Newan on Jun 3, 2022 23:25:31 GMT -5
There’s some lines in the OT this show will mess up but some will add more depth imo. Like obviously “We meet again at last, when I left you I was the learner, now I am the master” is butchered. But Vaders line in episode 6 when Luke is trying to redeem him “Obi-Wan once thought as you did” will likely have more meaning, I can’t imagine Kenobi won’t try and get through to him
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Post by Star on Jun 6, 2022 9:41:30 GMT -5
I've been rewatching some of Rebels and this scene makes me curious whether this show will address why the Emperor is unsure Kenobi lives. Obviously, the writers probably didn't anticipate Kenobi vs Vader for this series when this released, but I wonder if they'll have a vague ending where Sidious thinks Kenobi dies and Vader isn't confident. Or maybe it's just another example of dialogue becoming kind of messed up since everything in Star Wars always releases out of order lol.
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Post by Newan on Jun 6, 2022 16:00:10 GMT -5
Honestly Kenobi faking his death would be a really good way to end this series as it would make it believable why Vader would stop looking for him before ANH. Also would add more to his real death where he disappears and confuses Vader
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Post by Newan on Jun 6, 2022 16:00:29 GMT -5
But I think season 2 might be a thing…
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 6, 2022 16:23:36 GMT -5
But I think season 2 might be a thing… Too much money to leave at the table for them to say no to it. Everyone, fans, cast, crew want it, so why not? |
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Post by Newan on Jun 6, 2022 18:10:46 GMT -5
But I think season 2 might be a thing… Too much money to leave at the table for them to say no to it. Everyone, fans, cast, crew want it, so why not? Don’t think I want it in this time period. But having it set somewhere else as live action Kenobi would be cool. If they were gonna do multiple seasons I’d rather they have started right after ROTS or even in the clone wars. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 7, 2022 13:32:03 GMT -5
Too much money to leave at the table for them to say no to it. Everyone, fans, cast, crew want it, so why not? Don’t think I want it in this time period. But having it set somewhere else as live action Kenobi would be cool. If they were gonna do multiple seasons I’d rather they have started right after ROTS or even in the clone wars. I mean they could go full fan service and base the series in the middle of the Clone Wars |
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Post by Newan on Jun 7, 2022 15:13:34 GMT -5
Don’t think I want it in this time period. But having it set somewhere else as live action Kenobi would be cool. If they were gonna do multiple seasons I’d rather they have started right after ROTS or even in the clone wars. I mean they could go full fan service and base the series in the middle of the Clone Wars Honestly that is doable if they did the season based entirely on the outer rim sieges… we haven’t seen much of that in the new canon. And they could even do a plot line about the Labyrinth of Evil EU book where they get close to discovering Palpatines indentity. There’s only one real issue I can think of this idea is that Morrison is still a little out of shape to play the clones but they don’t really need to take their helmets off that much, they didn’t in the movies really, so other actors could play them that way. Honestly Samuel would probably come back for this too… he likes Star Wars and he’s doing a Marvel Disney plus show anyway. They would have to use their deaging CGI on him though but Hayden and Ewan are young enough still that makeup could hide most of their age difference. |
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Post by Star on Jun 8, 2022 9:25:16 GMT -5
Part 4 is probably the weakest but it was still pretty good. I wished they gave us a Reva flashback here to give us more context about her character and motives. Also that would've been a cool twist if Tala was actually an Imperial spy, I kind of wish they went with that.
Overall this kind of just felt like a generic prison break episode with a few cool parts. Lots of references to Fallen Order, such as when Kenobi broke the glass and flooded that corridor. I'm pretty sure Cal did something similar. The torture chamber was also featured in Fallen Order I believe, probably in relation to Trilla but not entirely certain. Glad that they're building off the existing lore here. Seeing the T-47 ships outside of Hoth was a nice touch as well.
I'm guessing next episode will be setting the stage for a final confrontation, along with some more world-building/lore connections. It'd be nice for them to show us the Grand Inquisitor again too, could even have him kill Reva for her treachery and ultimate failure.
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Post by Star on Jun 8, 2022 9:38:16 GMT -5
Oh yeah, we also saw the Purge Troopers for the first time this episode. Hopefully we get to see them some more. Another cool moment was the tomb of fallen Jedi that Obi-Wan stumbled across. I liked the nod toward Leia's strong Force connection too when she resisted Reva's mind interrogation. Honestly this episode just makes me want to revisit Fallen Order.
Fifth Brother should be given a little more to do though... I feel like 90% of his character has been complaining about Reva without anything resulting from that.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 8, 2022 12:08:12 GMT -5
Kenbo does this take place before or after Fallen Order? Trilla is dead at this point right? I think Fallen Order is 7 or 8 years after ROTS but I might be confusing it with Solo. I think FO and Solo are both 5 years after ROTS. OWK is 10 years after. Fallen Order sequel will be in the same timeline as OWK |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 8, 2022 12:18:43 GMT -5
Literal comedy at this point...
- First off they completely plagiarized Fallen Order but made it 10x worse
- Why does Leia treat every time she's captured as a minor inconvenience? I get it's Leia but she's also a ten year old kid. Showing some genuine fear wouldn't be bad. Why are they even interrogating her how would they be sure she knows anything? Also why not capture the Organas for treason if they're known accomplices? Bad writing with Leia aside, the actress is still a queen. 👑
- Tala after being caught is like "Sike! I'm actually a double agent!". God tier writing.
- Vader is completely out of character in this show. Last episode when he offered Reva the promotion to GI, he'd never do that. He'd just kill her for failing. Now he just believes that she has a plan and says "I underestimated you"? Wtf Vader doesn't talk to anyone like that except like Luke.
- Lot of people were saying last week he intentionally led Obi go so he'd lead them to their Jedi base or whatever. Wrong lol it was bad writing after all.
- Their escape with Obi's three kids in a trench coat routine is a joke.
- The somber music with everyone looking sad at the end because fucking WADE died. No one gives a shit about Wave omg
Can't decide if this is worse than BOBF. But this episode was pretty much TROS quality. And they're thinking about doing a season 2 lmaooo
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 8, 2022 13:09:14 GMT -5
I think this is what we call the filler episode with this prison break stuff. Yes, the trenchcoat trick was ridiculous and what the hell with treating Wade's death like it's so poignant?
Much as I have enjoyed this, it's not at all without holes to poke through. I guess really I'm hoping the pay off makes it all worth it, but there are times where it doesn't feel like the writing isn't treating its audience intelligently or honestly.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 8, 2022 14:08:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah, we also saw the Purge Troopers for the first time this episode. Hopefully we get to see them some more. Another cool moment was the tomb of fallen Jedi that Obi-Wan stumbled across. I liked the nod toward Leia's strong Force connection too when she resisted Reva's mind interrogation. Honestly this episode just makes me want to revisit Fallen Order. Fifth Brother should be given a little more to do though... I feel like 90% of his character has been complaining about Reva without anything resulting from that. Apparently Terra Sinube, the old alien from TCW episode where Ahsoka's lightsaber is stolen, was in one of the tombs. I didn't notice, I'll have to watch it again to find him. Im guessing this might be where they got Luminara's corpse from to use in that one Rebels episode. I think the design of the tombs was similar to her's from Rebels. Yeah there were actually several Easter eggs in this episode. The seeker droids are like the one Iden Versio from the BF2 campaign had on her back. They might've been a little oversized here though. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 8, 2022 14:20:49 GMT -5
They should really go deeper with the characters, especially Obi-Wan. There was no character development this episode when it was a perfect opportunity. He should be at his lowest point right now, coming off the encounter with Vader. But it feels kinda glossed over. He doesn't have any strong reactions to anything, even when he hears Mustafar mentioned. Would've been a good time when he was in the bacta tank to either have Qui-Gon finally reach out to help him regain his strength and confidence. Or even use some clone wars flashbacks to show his relationship with Anakin.
They could do more with Reva too if they're insisting on making her such a key character. How is she so omniscient? Like she literally knows everything all the time and everything works out for her. Even Vader bends to her will.
I know I've been pretty harsh on this show, I'm thinking of something positive to say but it's kinda hard... lol. I mean there's several cool moments for sure that I've enjoyed. And I actually really like kid Leia when they don't write her like an adult. But yeah for the most part the show doesn't make me feel anything. I wouldn't say it's exactly boring but it's certainly not very engaging or exciting. And there's nothing new either. It's a shame I think they could've done a lot more with it. Maybe it should've just been a movie and they could've cut out all the unnecessary fat
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Still, I feel like the best really is yet to come here. 
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 