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Post by Newan on Mar 20, 2023 20:52:29 GMT -5
I’d say this was a 7/10. Honestly the planet itself was beautiful and it was at least kind of intriguing. But I wouldn’t say 90% has been filler. Episode 3, 7, 8, 12 were all pretty essential to the main story. And I’d argue 11 was too. I think I can predict what will happen though… Sid planted a tracker on their ship and sells them out. The Empire or maybe even bounty hunters track down and capture Omega and bring her to Tantis. The squad works up a plan to rescue her along with Rex and Echo most likely. Meanwhile inside Crosshair, Omega and maybe a few other clones (Howzer?) team up to make their own way out. Crosshair ends up rejoining the team. I think you're right, that makes a lot of sense for how the finale will play out. I believe in one of the previous episodes Lama Su told the doctor to get Omega to make Nala Se cooperate. I think Delta squad, just Scorch, a squad of regular commandos or TK troopers will be sent to recover Omega. Then it will basically be a repeat of Mando season 2 finale with infiltrating the mountain to rescue her. Though I think maybe Crosshair will save her from something inside Tantiss. And yeah the Batch will probably call on all their allies just like in Mando. Rex and Echo for sure, Howzer could be there too but maybe we never see him again. Idk who else But didn't they already do this for the season 1 finale? Honestly I don't really remember much of anything but didn't the squad have to rescue Omega from Kamino or something? I don't remember why they went back to Kamino at the end. Yeah it will probably be imperials that are sent, although I’d be down for it to be Boba Fett and his crew. That would be an interesting contrast with Omega. Maybe too soon… but it might happen at some point. Season 1 finale was Hunter that got captured on the forest base planet, also where we saw Scorch and the TK troopers for the first time. But yeah it is kind of repetitive, but this time should advance the plot with Crosshair actually coming back to the squad (I hope) and the ground work for a clone rebellion starting. Omega did get captured at one point too by Bane, but Nala Se paid Fennec to make sure she stayed out of Imperial hands. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 22, 2023 19:16:54 GMT -5
Those clones with Echo had really sick armor, very similar to Gree's. The beginning really felt like a Rebels episode. This was a cool one but I think the next couple will be more exciting. I like what they're doing with Crosshair's character. It was nice seeing him not wanting to give up the squad although tbh I'm not sure he would actually know where they are anyway... So maybe that sort of undermines that beat...
Dr. Hemlock has a very chilling voice. Kinda cliche backstory though. Gifted scientist gets kicked out of program for radical experiments. Wonder what experiment he wants to do on clones though
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Post by Newan on Mar 22, 2023 20:27:49 GMT -5
This was a really good episode I thought, honestly all Crosshair episodes are bangers. I’m afraid we might lose that magic when he likely rejoins the squad.
I’ll admit I’m quite intrigued now, I thought for certain Omega would get captured. I had not considered the possibility of the squad rescuing just Crosshair or him escaping on his own accord, wasn’t certain how he would feel about the rest of Clone Force 99. I do like that the squad is skeptical that it could be a trap though, it adds more realism using that line of logic.
Was cool to see Howzer again, so I predicted that part and it looks like the clone rebellion is gonna be in full swing.
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Post by Newan on Mar 22, 2023 20:29:37 GMT -5
So I guess we now know that “The Summit” episode name no longer refers to just Tantis but rather an Imperial high command conference? I wonder if we will get any cool cameos. Krennic maybe? Also I think (not certain) that Krennic might have been similar to the doctor that he was thrown out of the Republic. Unless I’m thinking of someone else, but I think one of the novels around the time of Rogue One went into that
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Post by Newan on Mar 22, 2023 20:44:23 GMT -5
Also I really liked the Balmorra reference, most of its lore comes from The Old Republic so that was cool.
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Post by Star on Mar 22, 2023 20:46:03 GMT -5
I really liked this episode. It was nice to have the story jump around multiple plots instead of fixating on just the Batch or Crosshair. Glad we got to see what Echo's been doing, his story and Dr. Hemlock's call with Tarkin make a clone rebellion seem imminent.
I'm really interested to see what's in store for the summit, I agree with Newan that it would be a good time to see some higher ranked Imperials beyond Tarkin. Also curious if Dr. Hemlock is just doing cloning experiments that will tie into what Dr. Pershing studies in Mando or if there's something else going on entirely.
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Post by Star on Mar 22, 2023 20:53:46 GMT -5
Oh wait, I just remembered we're getting the final two episodes together next week. They should hopefully be even better than this one.
I'd like to see Cid come into play. Not sure if she'll aid the clones or Empire, but I think it'd be a waste to ignore her the rest of the season. I also hope Lama Su and Taun We have more screen time, they've barely been around.
There's also more to continue with the politics on Coruscant, but I could see that being pushed back til season 3. It might be more relevant to the clone rebellion story and after whatever unfolds these final episodes.
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 23, 2023 18:04:17 GMT -5
Also I really liked the Balmorra reference, most of its lore comes from The Old Republic so that was cool. I didn't know it was from old republic. I remember they used the Balmorra Run shortcut in the Malevolence arc |
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Post by Newan on Mar 27, 2023 9:03:56 GMT -5
Also I really liked the Balmorra reference, most of its lore comes from The Old Republic so that was cool. I didn't know it was from old republic. I remember they used the Balmorra Run shortcut in the Malevolence arc Most of its lore is from Old Republic era, I think it existed in that timeline before TCW. Not sure how long ago it’s creation was. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 27, 2023 9:06:50 GMT -5
Oh wait, I just remembered we're getting the final two episodes together next week. They should hopefully be even better than this one. I'd like to see Cid come into play. Not sure if she'll aid the clones or Empire, but I think it'd be a waste to ignore her the rest of the season. I also hope Lama Su and Taun We have more screen time, they've barely been around. There's also more to continue with the politics on Coruscant, but I could see that being pushed back til season 3. It might be more relevant to the clone rebellion story and after whatever unfolds these final episodes. Nala Se  Taun We was killed by Fennec. But yeah they really need more of the Kaminoans. I’m ok with Sid being kind of shelved for now. In TCW or Rebels for example we often didn’t see characters for entire seasons or didn’t get advances for certain stories for just as long. We probably aren’t seeing Rampart anymore this season either. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 27, 2023 9:07:55 GMT -5
What I don’t want to happen….
A) Tantis gets destroyed and is just irrelevant going forward
B) Hemlock gets removed as a major player either by Death or the Rampart route…
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 27, 2023 16:55:24 GMT -5
What I don’t want to happen…. A) Tantis gets destroyed and is just irrelevant going forward B) Hemlock gets removed as a major player either by Death or the Rampart route… I would be shocked if Tantiss gets destroyed. Maybe they'll deal some damage but I don't think the bad batch + allies will have enough firepower to do too much. Also I think Tantiss is going to play a big role later on, they'll probably connect it to the Mandoverse shows. Hemlock is cool but I wouldn't care if they wrote him out. He doesn't seem like that big of a player to me. Though it might be good to set him up as the Krennic equivalent for their biological science division. But yeah I don't imagine the empire will suffer too many losses in the finale. Seems kinda early to have them take big Ls before rebel cells start up |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 29, 2023 8:19:29 GMT -5
Hmm I didn't like the finale tbh. I was expecting more to happen. I actually thought Tantiss would be the main location and that's what "the Summit" was referring to. I didn't expect to see Krennic this season so that was a cool surprise. Kinda thought it was coming when they mentioned Eriadu. Believe that planet is from the Catalyst novel.
I didn't like how on the nose Tarkin's line was though. Like "alright Director Orson Krennic from Rogue One, go ahead and talk about project Stardust aka the Death Star" lol. It was obvious it was him so the line wasn't necessary. I also wish Krennic didn't say anything like the Dryden Vos TCW cameo. Ben Mendohlson was in the credits though. But I feel like they didn't get him for one line and they ripped the dialogue from the movie or something like what they did for Taun We.
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 29, 2023 8:24:29 GMT -5
And then Tech's death was weird. I don't get why he had to die. I actually think it would've made more sense for Echo to die. Or just don't kill anyone and have Echo leave. Two tech guys was always a redundancy but keeping the original squad intact would've been preferred. Echo isn't supposed to be alive anyway.
But yeah I think Bad Batch has not been good with the finales. Last season was weak too if I remember correctly. Should've just infiltrated Tantiss and have Crosshair rejoin idk why they're avoiding that and dragging it over multiple seasons. Seems the Tantiss experiment is to clone a force user and/or achieve immortality and the eventual result is Snoke and Exegol Palpatine. So that sucks.
And really hoping they don't retcon Jango to have a sister or something who was the actual template for Omega... Yeah honestly they should've just done the Tantiss and Crosshair thing and ended the show there.
Oh also random but was that Mari Kosan from Fallen Order with Saw? Voice sounded familiar but didn't see a name in the credits
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 29, 2023 9:43:51 GMT -5
Oh also we've seen the other guys at the Summit before. Admiral Coburn was in TCW, I think he led the fleet at the Citadel? And maybe some other episodes. And Hurst Romodi was in Rogue One also. But tbh I really thought the Summit would be more grand than like 5 guys sitting at a table...
But yeah bro I really don't want to watch a third season lmao. I wish they wrapped it up with this one. The good episodes were like really good. All the Crosshair ones and Coruscant ones were bangers. Season 1 had some great ones too. But like I said before, much of the time it just feels like a chore to watch. I don't think I'll ever get invested in the main characters and Omega, who I didn't mind in season 1, now I find somewhat annoying. And I don't care about the Snoke stuff man.
I'm kinda over it. I think I want a new animated show, something different. Maybe more Tales of the Jedi or similar stuff. Also is one guy voicing like 80% of the cast even sustainable?
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Post by Newan on Mar 29, 2023 21:14:05 GMT -5
Hmm… idk I got mixed feelings. Like on one hand this kind of caught me off guard. It’s not really how I expected these episodes to go. Honestly I thought they were going to break into Tantis and rescue Crosshair while Hemlock was away at the summit. I do like that we got to see Eradu, that’s a well established planet in this time period that has never been seen on screen before. I also liked (but predicted) the Krennic cameo. I think Yularen being there would have been cool though, but obviously given Tom Kanes condition it makes sense.
I think the Emperors project is obviously cloning a Force User, which is kind of a Force Unleashed 2 plot line. Although it could also be reviving a dead person. I’m not sure it was explicitly stated that Palpatine was cloned? Idk the reason I’m thinking that is well… I don’t think Tech is gonna stay dead. I feel like Nala Se will make sure he survives somehow and it’s obvious Hemlock recovered the body judging from his conversation with Hunter.
It’s likely Tech, Crosshair, and Omega will be in the same place and the other 3 will be doing their own thing for awhile. But yeah given this is Star Wars I just don’t buy that Tech is dead yet, but maybe they were focusing his character development a lot this season and it made it more impactful because of it.
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Post by Newan on Mar 29, 2023 21:17:56 GMT -5
The scientist being a clone is also something I expected, I figured it out in the Zilo beast episode or right after? Her speech is extremely similar to Omega. It’s not unreasonable to me that if Omega exists there would be an accelerated female.
I think the show has just enough to be intriguing, but it needs to branch out more. Have more stuff in this time period away from the Batch.
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Post by Newan on Mar 29, 2023 21:19:22 GMT -5
I think the Senate plotline and other clones is the coolest stuff though. I’m sure we will revisit Rampart and Cody in season 3.
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Post by Star on Apr 3, 2023 8:36:37 GMT -5
I liked the finale, but it wasn't as good as I'd hoped it'd be. There were some cool moments, and I enjoyed seeing the Imperial leaders gathered around for the Summit. A bit on the nose like Kenbo said with them mentioning Project Stardust by name, but I guess it makes sense this has been ongoing since Geonosis basically.
Tech's death, assuming he's truly dead, wasn't too shocking. I feel like he had gotten more focus and development than the rest of the Batch all season, even down to Phee saying goodbye to him at the start of the finale. But honestly, I feel like he's still around in some capacity at Tantiss. I wouldn't mind that either, since it would kind of make sense for Hemlock to want Tech for experimentation purposes.
There's quite a few ways for the narrative to continue next season, but I agree with Newan that I want the show to branch out more. Almost any time the Batch isn't the center of attention, I think the series becomes much more interesting.
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Post by Star on Apr 3, 2023 8:49:03 GMT -5
Overall thoughts on Season 2... I'd say half of the episodes were good and the other half were forgettable.
Both Crosshair episodes and Coruscant episodes were probably my favorites. I also liked the Zillo Beast one plus the final three. Even the episode where their ship is stolen and we had Tech/Omega character development was pretty good. The remaining episodes were very mediocre though, with the pod racing, treasure hunting, and boy thief episodes definitely being my least favorites.
I'm not really sure I liked this season more than the first, I feel like they're pretty equal for me. This season would've been a definite improvement if it had replaced some of those weakest episodes with more meaningful and engaging stories.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 3, 2023 18:38:31 GMT -5
I feel like if they cut out the filler episodes entirely, the season would've been better for it and would've gotten more praise. When the show is good, it's really good like I said. And the filler I don't think really connected to anything. You wouldn't miss anything if you skipped them except maybe seeing some character development for Tech which might've helped make his death more impactful. But still.
There's actually no reason for filler in a streaming show anyway. I'm pretty sure old tv shows had filler just to meet episode count quotas or if they were trying for syndication. If this was 8 or so episodes, I think it would've gotten a lot more buzz. The filler probably caused a lot of people to stop watching.
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Post by Newan on Apr 5, 2023 21:26:30 GMT -5
Filler is ok imo when it’s adding something meaningful to the universe in regards to world building, but a lot of the filler this season was just pointless or rehashed Clone Wars/ Rebels filler. It’s one reason I actually kind of liked the race episode, the Tech character development aside it built on the idea of Racing in the Star Wars universe that was established in TPM.
Honestly I just would have preferred this show set in TCW with Bad Batch running Suicide Missions and Covert Ops. Basically Star Wars Suicide Squad.
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Post by Newan on Jan 27, 2024 20:29:07 GMT -5
Well not sure how many of us are gonna be here but… this looks not too bad to me.
I’m still really curious how everything is going to play out and what Palpatines exact stake is. I honestly have no clue if we are heading for a happy feel good ending where Omega and Crosshair are saved/ maybe Tech comes back. Or if it’s a tragedy and everyone dies.
I do find it unlikely they will kill Omega as a kid though. I kinda think Echo has to die as it makes no sense he wouldn’t be with Rex in Rebels otherwise. I could honestly see Crosshair being the sole survivor and becoming a bounty hunter or something though.
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Post by Jedi Knight Fett on Jan 28, 2024 13:09:29 GMT -5
Anyone except Omega, is up for death I think. Not only is Omega a kid, but I have a feeling they will want to use her in other works as well
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Post by Star on Jan 30, 2024 14:23:51 GMT -5
Yeah this looks interesting. Kind of glad it's the last season though, I don't think this series needs to drag out beyond that.
I agree that any of the main crew other than Omega could have a sad ending though. And I'm curious what they're doing with Ventress. I guess Filoni is doing some write around of Dark Disciple for her.
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Post by Newan on Feb 5, 2024 10:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah this looks interesting. Kind of glad it's the last season though, I don't think this series needs to drag out beyond that. I agree that any of the main crew other than Omega could have a sad ending though. And I'm curious what they're doing with Ventress. I guess Filoni is doing some write around of Dark Disciple for her. Ya I’m curious about that too. I also find it weird because presumably the Empire has the bounty out of the Bad Batch and I find it weird they would even attempt to hire Ventress. She’s a character that I really don’t think needs to be alive in this era imo. I’m also positive if TCW had all 8 seasons complete that both her and Bane would have died in the unreleased episodes. I’m also glad it’s the last season, but there’s a lot of little loose ends that I am not sure will all get covered. Like the Coruscant stuff, all the clones breaking programming, Admiral Rampart, the fate of the remaining Separatist worlds (Raxus). We haven’t even seen an actual Stormtrooper yet either. |
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2024 22:48:03 GMT -5
I think the first three episodes were really solid. Not much filler at the moment, although there’s a lot of loose ends from season 1/2 that I am not sure will come together by the end of this season. Which by the way is 15 episodes (the last one might be longer though which would be in line with Rebels/ the premiere of Bad Batch).
Confined: Solid premiere, sort of gets away from the usual more action packed premieres we’ve seen in TCW and Rebels. In fact I think this was the least action in a premiere since Holocron Heist which really only had the opening scene on Felucia. I liked the way this episode was told as well with the markings on the wall and Omegas hair growing and stuff. I actually don’t think we’ve ever seen a significant time jump like this shown in any of the previous animated shows. One thing I would have liked to see is Omega telling Crosshair that Tech died, I would have liked to see his reaction. Also yeah the midicholorian cloning was kind of obvious since season 1 ending imo. I’ll say 8/10.
Paths Unknown: The opening scene with Durand was actually really cool, I’m curious how much influence that crime syndicate has and how it managed to stay out of Mauls influence? Although it might be apart of Crimson Dawn eventually. I really wasn’t expecting a payoff for the Durand plot from season 1 but that was some nice universe building. As for the rest of the episode… it’s loosely filler, however we get to see some of what happened with the Cadets and what we can assume Hemlock was doing in season 1 before moving to Tantiss. Not really sure what the point of making the vine creature was for, but I guess it’s a testament to Hemlocks scientific mind. I’ll say 7/10, if it wasn’t for the opening scenes I’d probably rate this a 6.
Shadow of Tantiss: Very good, I was worried the Emperor would be shoehorned in but they incorporated him very well in this episode. Project Necromancer is a cool name and it’s surprising how close they already are. Gotta assume Hemlock and most of his research gets destroyed at the end of this season. I’d assume the masked person is another clone assassin? I really hope it isn’t Tech, some people also think it may be Fives which I also hope isn’t true. I really liked how they escaped this episode too, it wasn’t too easy but they only succeed because Hemlock allows it happen. There’s a lot of risk vs reward in thst moment for him, he knows he needs Omega but literally just finished speaking to Palpatine about the security of the facility. I actually think this episode might be close to a 10 for me but I’m gonna say 9/10 since I think we got even better to come.
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Post by Newan on Feb 23, 2024 22:53:35 GMT -5
Next episode is called “A Different Approach” and then episode 5 is “The Return”. I get the feeling the squad may not be reunited until episode 5. Unless the Return symbolizes a character returning like Cody or something.
I think this season is going to be really good, honestly by both episode 3 of the last two seasons you kind of felt they were just doing random things and season 1 already had filler at this point (kind of technically episode 1 that season was like 4 episodes). Right now there’s a very coherent plot and I feel like the device Hunter stole probably outlines a lot of what Hemlock is doing (more than what Omega/ Crosshair know) which might put them on the offensive to stop him along with Rex and the other clones.
I still think Hemlock might develop some kind of anti clone counter measure to wipe most of them out, or at least maybe everyone that still has a chip maybe.
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Post by Star on Mar 12, 2024 9:10:44 GMT -5
I watched the first five episodes this past weekend and so far it's alright. Not any bad episodes, but I've really only liked the first and third ones because they focused more on the Empire. I can appreciate what the other episodes have set out to do with developing characters and the world, they're just somewhat boring to me.
This week is a double episode release, so hopefully it progresses the overarching narrative significantly and makes things more interesting. Maybe this is where Ventress comes into play, not sure how prominent she'll be this season but I think she'll pop up sooner rather than later.
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Post by Star on Mar 12, 2024 9:23:12 GMT -5
As for ratings, I'd probably give 8/10s for episodes 1 and 3, and 6/10s for the others.
Excluding Aftermath, which might still be my favorite episode(s) of the series, this season is definitely off to a better start than the previous ones. And as Newan said, the plot feels more cohesive up to this point. But now that we're through a third of the final season, I'm ready for it to take things up a notch.
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Taun We was killed by Fennec. But yeah they really need more of the Kaminoans. I’m ok with Sid being kind of shelved for now. In TCW or Rebels for example we often didn’t see characters for entire seasons or didn’t get advances for certain stories for just as long. We probably aren’t seeing Rampart anymore this season either.
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 