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Post by Star on Apr 12, 2019 13:32:47 GMT -5
I wasn't sure of the title at first, but I think it's fitting. I like the 'R' pattern in the third films... Revenge, Return, Rise. Having Skywalker actually in a title is a little odd, but I prefer that over them using "Force" or "Jedi" again.
Seeing the Death Star debris is really cool also. Makes total sense that some of it would still exist. I wasn't expecting Palpatine at all, but if they handle his character right, this could be really awesome. There's a lot of potential for explaining bigger concepts, especially if they opt for ideas similar to the Mortis/ time travel aspects.
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Post by Star on Apr 12, 2019 13:36:00 GMT -5
I doubt Palpatine is physically alive. I expect something similar to a Force Ghost or Sith Holocron that perhaps paves the way for Vader/ Anakin, Luke or Kenobi to appear in some form. Perhaps Snoke was a puppet for Palpatine to even regain some consciousness. There are several possibilities that could happen, and many sound interesting.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 12, 2019 13:39:23 GMT -5
Lowkey I think Palpatine playing a role in the sequels could potentially work if done right. He is basically the main villain of the entire saga. Bringing him back for the end is poetic and Star Wars is like poetry, it rhymes. I doubt this would happen but it would be dope to see Luke and Anakin fighting him in some form. A fight that is not in the physical realm may seem a little pointless but they could do some creative writing to make it work. Something similar to Mortis perhaps. But you know Rey has to be there somehow.... It's like having to include Ezra in the Maul and Obi-Wan duel in Rebels ugh I agree that Palpatine is the main villain... But he died in Return of the Jedi. Vader killing his master and redeeming himself was the entire point of the first two trilogies. To revive Palpatine would mean this is all irrelevant now. Also, I guess Anakin was not really the Chosen one then. They basically continued a story without the main character and the main villain... and only three movies in they realized their mistake and shoehorned in Palpatine. And yeah, even with Palpatine we would still have to deal with characters like Rey and Poe... True it does lessen that impact a lot and makes things pretty messy... Bringing Anakin in would maybe slightly make up for it. So a theory I just came up with what if Snoke's was a vessel for Palpatine? And his scars were the body deteriorating from Palpatine's possession...... lol some Supernatural shit |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 12, 2019 13:43:46 GMT -5
You are right this trilogy really seems like a high budget fan film. The plot is so incoherent and ridiculous...
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Post by Pinda on Apr 12, 2019 13:45:29 GMT -5
I agree that Palpatine is the main villain... But he died in Return of the Jedi. Vader killing his master and redeeming himself was the entire point of the first two trilogies. To revive Palpatine would mean this is all irrelevant now. Also, I guess Anakin was not really the Chosen one then. They basically continued a story without the main character and the main villain... and only three movies in they realized their mistake and shoehorned in Palpatine. And yeah, even with Palpatine we would still have to deal with characters like Rey and Poe... If they try and rope in the prequels by saying "Surprise, Rey's the real Chosen One!" that would be such a brilliant way in ticking off the fans once again... That would be really stupid... Also, it would contradict TCW since the Mortis arc confirmed Anakin to be the Chosen One. Seriously, these movies should never have been made... they should have made some spin-off movies or trilogies focusing on completely different characters. This trilogy is a complete mess. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Apr 12, 2019 13:49:52 GMT -5
If they try and rope in the prequels by saying "Surprise, Rey's the real Chosen One!" that would be such a brilliant way in ticking off the fans once again... That would be really stupid... Also, it would contradict TCW since the Mortis arc confirmed Anakin to be the Chosen One. Seriously, these movies should never have been made... they should have made some spin-off movies or trilogies focusing on completely different characters. This trilogy is a complete mess. At this point, you almost dare to wish George made his original sequel trilogy instead. Or at least have him write up the plots and have Disney making the films. |
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Post by Star on Apr 12, 2019 13:52:57 GMT -5
I don't think they'll call Rey the Chosen One. However, I think it's possible they'll have Anakin offer some guidance to help Rey or Luke finish the journey he started.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 12, 2019 13:55:44 GMT -5
If they try and rope in the prequels by saying "Surprise, Rey's the real Chosen One!" that would be such a brilliant way in ticking off the fans once again... That would be really stupid... Also, it would contradict TCW since the Mortis arc confirmed Anakin to be the Chosen One. Seriously, these movies should never have been made... they should have made some spin-off movies or trilogies focusing on completely different characters. This trilogy is a complete mess. I don't mind a post ROTJ story. The problem was they just had to get the big 3 back for it. And since they're all old, the story had to be set 30 years later. The 20 year time jump petween prequels and originals works because at the end of ROTS we were seeing the birth of the Empire and in ANH we can see where it was after about two decades. At the end of ROTJ we saw the start to the toppling of the Empire. It doesn't make sense to fast forward 30 years to see there is already a new Empire that is a copy of the first one but is not the first one and the good guys are in the exact same place as they were before which makes no sense either given their victories |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 12, 2019 14:10:22 GMT -5
That would be really stupid... Also, it would contradict TCW since the Mortis arc confirmed Anakin to be the Chosen One. Seriously, these movies should never have been made... they should have made some spin-off movies or trilogies focusing on completely different characters. This trilogy is a complete mess. I don't mind a post ROTJ story. The problem was they just had to get the big 3 back for it. And since they're all old, the story had to be set 30 years later. The 20 year time jump petween prequels and originals works because at the end of ROTS we were seeing the birth of the Empire and in ANH we can see where it was after about two decades. At the end of ROTJ we saw the start to the toppling of the Empire. It doesn't make sense to fast forward 30 years to see there is already a new Empire that is a copy of the first one but is not the first one and the good guys are in the exact same place as they were before which makes no sense either given their victories They could have done sequels... they just should not have called them episode 7, 8 and 9 because they could not really continue the story of Anakin and Palpatine (which is what Star Wars was in my opinion). |
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Post by bobafett590 on Apr 12, 2019 16:35:08 GMT -5
Lowkey I think Palpatine playing a role in the sequels could potentially work if done right. He is basically the main villain of the entire saga. Bringing him back for the end is poetic and Star Wars is like poetry, it rhymes. I doubt this would happen but it would be dope to see Luke and Anakin fighting him in some form. A fight that is not in the physical realm may seem a little pointless but they could do some creative writing to make it work. Something similar to Mortis perhaps. But you know Rey has to be there somehow.... It's like having to include Ezra in the Maul and Obi-Wan duel in Rebels ugh I agree that Palpatine is the main villain... But he died in Return of the Jedi. Vader killing his master and redeeming himself was the entire point of the first two trilogies. To revive Palpatine would mean this is all irrelevant now. Also, I guess Anakin was not really the Chosen one then. They basically continued a story without the main character and the main villain... and only three movies in they realized their mistake and shoehorned in Palpatine. And yeah, even with Palpatine we would still have to deal with characters like Rey and Poe... What if they bring back the EU Palpatine clones lol? |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 12, 2019 16:41:55 GMT -5
I agree that Palpatine is the main villain... But he died in Return of the Jedi. Vader killing his master and redeeming himself was the entire point of the first two trilogies. To revive Palpatine would mean this is all irrelevant now. Also, I guess Anakin was not really the Chosen one then. They basically continued a story without the main character and the main villain... and only three movies in they realized their mistake and shoehorned in Palpatine. And yeah, even with Palpatine we would still have to deal with characters like Rey and Poe... What if they bring back the EU Palpatine clones lol? That would be ironic because I remember defending Disney on here years ago when they got rid off the Expanded Universe because it would remove that ridiculous Palpatine clone story... |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 12, 2019 16:51:52 GMT -5
The thing is, I don't care about the the consistency and logic of the overall Star Wars story anymore now. The sequels already messed that up in my opinion. So they might as well bring the Palpatine clones back... I don't consider the sequels to be part of the actual Star Wars story anyway. But I would love to see Palpatine on screen again... so they can screw up the story any way I like at this point, as long as they give me Sheev.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 12, 2019 19:00:54 GMT -5
The thing is, I don't care about the the consistency and logic of the overall Star Wars story anymore now. The sequels already messed that up in my opinion. So they might as well bring the Palpatine clones back... I don't consider the sequels to be part of the actual Star Wars story anyway. But I would love to see Palpatine on screen again... so they can screw up the story any way I like at this point, as long as they give me Sheev. Yeah honestly shit is so fucked they can do whatever at this point and I wouldn't really care. They can bring back Count Dooku with a cybernetic body, they can have the Sarlaac pit take over the First Order, whatever. I wouldn't mind if they ran into some surviving Clone and then they find some like forgotten separatist base with deactivated battle droids and then they have a little Clone Wars renactment Oh wait they already did this exact silly thing.... |
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Post by Star on Apr 12, 2019 19:49:12 GMT -5
It's a stretch, but Palpatine's return means there's still a chance Rey is related to him somehow. I'm not sure if I prefer this over her being a Skywalker or nobody, but it could provide an interesting dynamic.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 12, 2019 20:06:52 GMT -5
It's a stretch, but Palpatine's return means there's still a chance Rey is related to him somehow. I'm not sure if I prefer this over her being a Skywalker or nobody, but it could provide an interesting dynamic. Or a manifestation of the Force like Anakin.. idk I really hope she is somebody significant like she can’t not be that is so anticlimactic |
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 12, 2019 20:11:28 GMT -5
This movie may end up being like ROTS. Everything significant George wanted to do but didn’t show in the first two movies was crammed into ROTS making a lot of things feel very rushed. With the first two movies of this trilogy being fuckups the same will have to be done for this one. So I think there’s a cap to how good it can be. JJ could retcon everything Rian messed up and pull some convincing storytelling out of his ass that is actually kind of good but confined to one movie it won’t be enough/will be too late
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 12, 2019 20:55:20 GMT -5
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Kathleen the Unwise?
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Post by squiggy on Apr 12, 2019 22:25:44 GMT -5
It may be to late to save the series as is but this trailer sure gave me a feeling of Star Wars nostalgia. It's the first time that it feels like it will be a Star Wars movie worth watching. I also think that the name, "Rise of Skywalker" is a reference to Rey being a Skywalker once she realises that she may be related to Luke or a close relative, thoughts?
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Apr 13, 2019 5:48:16 GMT -5
It's a stretch, but Palpatine's return means there's still a chance Rey is related to him somehow. I'm not sure if I prefer this over her being a Skywalker or nobody, but it could provide an interesting dynamic. Apparently the Aftermath novels detail Palpatine had a secret lab on Jakku made, so maybe Rey's some lab experiment, a contingency plan if Luke said no, or he was unable to attain immortality. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 13, 2019 6:30:06 GMT -5
I guess they probably spoiled Palpatine's return because if they didn't Episode XI would flop.
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Post by squiggy on Apr 13, 2019 9:24:15 GMT -5
I guess they probably spoiled Palpatine's return because if they didn't Episode XI would flop. I don't think his presence will be in a physical form though. I think he may appear in flashbacks or as a ghost like Yoda did. They may have done that to hype the speculation and ticket sales but in reality he's part of the movie but not in the way people think. Of course I haven't kept up with the rumors and spoilers and all so I don't know. |
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Post by squiggy on Apr 13, 2019 9:45:14 GMT -5
You are right this trilogy really seems like a high budget fan film. The plot is so incoherent and ridiculous... It will just be a movie used to gear up a second trilogy for years down the road as well as tie up lose ends from the last two movies. I mean the original plot was find Skywalker and execute him so the 1st order can rise to power so no hope or opposition can stop them. With Luke gone and Snoke gone whats left? Had it not been for Johnson I feel as if J.J. could have made the trilogy somewhat sequential and less choppy. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 13, 2019 16:15:09 GMT -5
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Post by Star on Apr 16, 2019 20:48:22 GMT -5
Kathleen Kennedy said in an MTV interview that they planned for Palpatine to return back when they were still figuring out TFA. I know it doesn't seem like it at times, but this is evidence that there was a some kind of larger story in mind from the start and that Palpatine wasn't just "thrown in" last minute to save the sequels.
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 16, 2019 21:43:50 GMT -5
Kathleen Kennedy said in an MTV interview that they planned for Palpatine to return back when they were still figuring out TFA. I know it doesn't seem like it at times, but this is evidence that there was a some kind of larger story in mind from the start and that Palpatine wasn't just "thrown in" last minute to save the sequels. I don’t think Kathleeen knew who Palpatine was when they were figuring out TFA. |
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Post by Star on Apr 16, 2019 22:10:50 GMT -5
Kathleen Kennedy said in an MTV interview that they planned for Palpatine to return back when they were still figuring out TFA. I know it doesn't seem like it at times, but this is evidence that there was a some kind of larger story in mind from the start and that Palpatine wasn't just "thrown in" last minute to save the sequels. I don’t think Kathleeen knew who Palpatine was when they were figuring out TFA. I doubt she specifically raised the idea, but her stating this tells us others working on the sequels were already thinking about Palpatine and some overarching plot threads. |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 17, 2019 9:54:41 GMT -5
Kathleen Kennedy said in an MTV interview that they planned for Palpatine to return back when they were still figuring out TFA. I know it doesn't seem like it at times, but this is evidence that there was a some kind of larger story in mind from the start and that Palpatine wasn't just "thrown in" last minute to save the sequels.  |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 17, 2019 9:55:31 GMT -5
If they did have a plan for the entire trilogy that's even worse... because it still feels like they didn't have a plan... so then their plan must have been terrible.
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Post by Spidyyr on Apr 17, 2019 10:01:23 GMT -5
If they did have a plan for the entire trilogy that's even worse... because it still feels like they didn't have a plan... so then their plan must have been terrible. When things are part of a plan, nobody panics. Even if the plan is horrifying. |
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 25, 2019 15:54:10 GMT -5
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 