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Post by Newan on Feb 28, 2018 18:39:53 GMT -5
Because Palpatine doesn't have the ability to teleport across the galaxy? He didn't have time to get there in person. And it was introduced in TCW actually, this is mainly a continuation of the Mortis and Yoda arcs TCW did not introduce time travel though. Time was something that almost ceased to exist on Mortis though and since DF said they had further plans with mortis back when TCW was still on, this likely was a clone wars idea |
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Post by Newan on Mar 1, 2018 15:04:24 GMT -5
Spidyyr if you wanted to see, the actual clips aren't in the episodet  just the voices
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Post by Newan on Mar 1, 2018 15:53:02 GMT -5
Hmm I just saw an interesting theory that Ezra had 0 chance of saving Kanan instead it was Palpatine trying to tempt him to go through that portal.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 2, 2018 13:10:59 GMT -5
Hmm I just saw an interesting theory that Ezra had 0 chance of saving Kanan instead it was Palpatine trying to tempt him to go through that portal. I got that feeling too when i watched the episode since Sidious appears in the same doorway. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 2, 2018 17:31:44 GMT -5
Finally watched the episodes. Alright so the whole Force portal thing is actually really cool but probably should've been shown first in a movie... And it makes sense, the Force would be above space and time so you could have "time travel" stuff in Star Wars... Just not sure if you should
But my main problem is how unlikeable every single character in Rebels is. In the original 6 movies you had these incredible titans of characters with depth and personality and reason to care about them. The "ghost crew" is lame as hell. A couple of angsty teens, a boring mom, dumbass brute and a dumbass droid. Kanan came the closest to being a decent character but he wasn't that great in personality honestly. Like you have someone like Obi-Wan who's sarcastic and witty or Han who is the cool guy you want to be. Those are good characters. Fucking gay ass pony tail is not them.
Ezra, the main character, is the most unlikeable. He doesn't deserve to be a Jedi. He doesn't deserve to be friends with Rex. He doesn't deserve to have the attention of the Emperor himself. He absolutely does not deserve to be a part of the historical moment that is discovering time travel...
Someone else from the movies should've been there like Vader or something because this was a huge moment. How can just these random people be involved with it
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Post by Pinda on Mar 2, 2018 17:36:36 GMT -5
Ezra, the main character, is the most unlikeable. He doesn't deserve to be a Jedi. This is my main problem with Rebels. I cannot stand Ezra. He is one of the most annoying characters in the saga. He feels like a character that belongs in a bad series for 6 year olds, not like the main character of a Star Wars series. I know people had similar thoughts about Ahsoka, but early Ahsoka was nowhere near as bad as Ezra... and Ahsoka improved over the seasons, Ezra still seems annoying from the clips I have seen. Also, we had Obi-wan and Anakin as main characters in TCW too. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 2, 2018 18:25:26 GMT -5
Maybe I’m an idiot here, but it just occurred to me that Rebels probably would’ve happened even if Disney didn’t buy Star Wars. Assuming everything they said about the Battle of Mandalore was always planned, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex were always going to survive the show and it’s unlikely their stories could’ve been concluded any way other than on TV. So Rebels was probably in the back of GL and DF’s mind the whole time, but it would’ve come out at least two years later, possibly had different characters, and would certainly have a different tone and style.
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Post by Star on Mar 2, 2018 18:53:00 GMT -5
Finally watched the episodes. Alright so the whole Force portal thing is actually really cool but probably should've been shown first in a movie... And it makes sense, the Force would be above space and time so you could have "time travel" stuff in Star Wars... Just not sure if you should But my main problem is how unlikeable every single character in Rebels is. In the original 6 movies you had these incredible titans of characters with depth and personality and reason to care about them. The "ghost crew" is lame as hell. A couple of angsty teens, a boring mom, dumbass brute and a dumbass droid. Kanan came the closest to being a decent character but he wasn't that great in personality honestly. Like you have someone like Obi-Wan who's sarcastic and witty or Han who is the cool guy you want to be. Those are good characters. Potato is Awesomeing gay ass pony tail is not them. Ezra, the main character, is the most unlikeable. He doesn't deserve to be a Jedi. He doesn't deserve to be friends with Rex. He doesn't deserve to have the attention of the Emperor himself. He absolutely does not deserve to be a part of the historical moment that is discovering time travel... Someone else from the movies should've been there like Vader or something because this was a huge moment. How can just these random people be involved with it I agree that the major characters in Rebels (mainly referring to the Ghost crew) are generally inferior to most original characters in TCW. Ezra and Ahsoka were both annoying in the beginning of their respective shows, but Ahsoka gradually improved over the seasons to the point where she was immensely popular. For Ezra, there's moments that I don't mind him in seasons 3-4, but he still has certain dialogue and actions that make me wince. In seasons 1-2, I found him very unlikable, so maybe it's a sign that Rebels has managed to improve his character somewhat during each season. And to be fair with Ezra, Anakin in Ep. I-II was almost as annoying as him, so I think Ezra's purpose as a character is to be an annoying teen that improves and matures over time, which he definitely has (just not as much as I would like). Sabine feels too silly for me, although I guess it catches the teenage girl angst Filoni and his crew wanted. Zeb is fine, but he doesn't develop too much as a whole. I give him a pass though, since I view him as the "Chewbacca" of the group that doesn't need to change much. Chopper has his moments of likability and being a nuisance, but he's mainly there to appease younger viewers. It's not a huge deal for me. I do think that Hera and Kanan have both become pretty good throughout the show's progression though and are the best original characters in the series. Ultimately, Rebels is not meant to be a carbon-copy of TCW in tone, style, or anything else. I'm pretty sure Filoni wanted to keep some similarities but try out new things as well. Rebels, as I've said before, is more of a complimentary show that works better when you see how it ties into the rest of the universe. By itself, it's only so strong, but the way it builds off the existing canon is pretty nice. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 2, 2018 21:06:52 GMT -5
Maybe I’m an idiot here, but it just occurred to me that Rebels probably would’ve happened even if Disney didn’t buy Star Wars. Assuming everything they said about the Battle of Mandalore was always planned, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex were always going to survive the show and it’s unlikely their stories could’ve been concluded any way other than on TV. So Rebels was probably in the back of GL and DF’s mind the whole time, but it would’ve come out at least two years later, possibly had different characters, and would certainly have a different tone and style. Probably would've been better if they made it without Disney. But I can't understand why under Disney it's so bad... like it's the same writers, even Dave has written several episodes, but how are they not as good as TCW? How did TCW manage to fit a far more interesting story in 22 minutes (including the longer intro and narration) while Rebels just cant? Like the pacing of both shows is so different... idk.. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 3, 2018 18:16:14 GMT -5
Can't wait for the finale. I gotta say i'm pretty hyped up.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 4, 2018 5:06:30 GMT -5
Maybe I’m an idiot here, but it just occurred to me that Rebels probably would’ve happened even if Disney didn’t buy Star Wars. Assuming everything they said about the Battle of Mandalore was always planned, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex were always going to survive the show and it’s unlikely their stories could’ve been concluded any way other than on TV. So Rebels was probably in the back of GL and DF’s mind the whole time, but it would’ve come out at least two years later, possibly had different characters, and would certainly have a different tone and style. If that's the case, then I wish we were living in the universe where they did make it instead (which I suspect would be a far better version), the sequel trilogy was a homerun and Ezra doesn't exist. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 4, 2018 9:57:02 GMT -5
Maybe I’m an idiot here, but it just occurred to me that Rebels probably would’ve happened even if Disney didn’t buy Star Wars. Assuming everything they said about the Battle of Mandalore was always planned, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex were always going to survive the show and it’s unlikely their stories could’ve been concluded any way other than on TV. So Rebels was probably in the back of GL and DF’s mind the whole time, but it would’ve come out at least two years later, possibly had different characters, and would certainly have a different tone and style. Probably would've been better if they made it without Disney. But I can't understand why under Disney it's so bad... like it's the same writers, even Dave has written several episodes, but how are they not as good as TCW? How did TCW manage to fit a far more interesting story in 22 minutes (including the longer intro and narration) while Rebels just cant? Like the pacing of both shows is so different... idk.. I would say there is two reasons: 1. George Lucas. Filoni has a lot of shitty ideas for TCW, but Lucas decided that they should not use those ideas... then Filoni went on to use them for Rebels. 2. TCW was not a really long linear story, but a collection of shorter stories. This works better for Star Wars in my opinion. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 4, 2018 9:59:58 GMT -5
Maybe I’m an idiot here, but it just occurred to me that Rebels probably would’ve happened even if Disney didn’t buy Star Wars. Assuming everything they said about the Battle of Mandalore was always planned, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex were always going to survive the show and it’s unlikely their stories could’ve been concluded any way other than on TV. So Rebels was probably in the back of GL and DF’s mind the whole time, but it would’ve come out at least two years later, possibly had different characters, and would certainly have a different tone and style. I always expected a Rebels-type series after TCW ended. But I expected have the same style as TCW, both in story and in animation. If Disney had not bought TCW and George Lucas would have worked on Rebels instead it would probably have been a good series. The whole "Ghost Crew" idea would never have been approved by Lucas. Filoni's original idea for TCW was exactly the same: it would follow a ship with a small crew in their adventures during the Clone Wars. Characters like Anakin and Obi-wan would only get cameos. But George hated the idea, and insisted that they would focus on Anakin and Obi-Wan instead. Just imagine how bad TCW could have been if it had been made by Disney... |
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 4, 2018 10:04:02 GMT -5
Maybe I’m an idiot here, but it just occurred to me that Rebels probably would’ve happened even if Disney didn’t buy Star Wars. Assuming everything they said about the Battle of Mandalore was always planned, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex were always going to survive the show and it’s unlikely their stories could’ve been concluded any way other than on TV. So Rebels was probably in the back of GL and DF’s mind the whole time, but it would’ve come out at least two years later, possibly had different characters, and would certainly have a different tone and style. I always expected a Rebels-type series after TCW ended. But I expected have the same style as TCW, both in story and in animation. If Disney had not bought TCW and George Lucas would have worked on Rebels instead it would probably have been a good series. The whole "Ghost Crew" idea would never have been approved by Lucas. Filoni's original idea for TCW was exactly the same: it would follow a ship with a small crew in their adventures during the Clone Wars. Characters like Anakin and Obi-wan would only get cameos. But George hated the idea, and insisted that they would focus on Anakin and Obi-Wan instead. Just imagine how bad TCW could have been if it had been made by Disney... Maybe the crew thing could’ve worked better if not for Disney’s oversight. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 4, 2018 10:10:38 GMT -5
I always expected a Rebels-type series after TCW ended. But I expected have the same style as TCW, both in story and in animation. If Disney had not bought TCW and George Lucas would have worked on Rebels instead it would probably have been a good series. The whole "Ghost Crew" idea would never have been approved by Lucas. Filoni's original idea for TCW was exactly the same: it would follow a ship with a small crew in their adventures during the Clone Wars. Characters like Anakin and Obi-wan would only get cameos. But George hated the idea, and insisted that they would focus on Anakin and Obi-Wan instead. Just imagine how bad TCW could have been if it had been made by Disney... Maybe the crew thing could’ve worked better if not for Disney’s oversight. No. The idea was stupid. Rebels should have focused on established characters a lot more. Like Vader, Sheev, Tarkin, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Ackbar, TCW characters and maybe even Starkiller. If you are going to make a Star Wars series you need some established Star Wars characters as main characters. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 4, 2018 11:18:44 GMT -5
Maybe the crew thing could’ve worked better if not for Disney’s oversight. No. The idea was stupid. Rebels should have focused on established characters a lot more. Like Vader, Sheev, Tarkin, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Ackbar, TCW characters and maybe even Starkiller. If you are going to make a Star Wars series you need some established Star Wars characters as main characters. I think a big problem is that when you take unestablished characters and try to fit them into a story where they somehow interact with all these major and important characters, it risks coming off as wish fulfillment or fan fiction. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 6, 2018 15:31:20 GMT -5
Wait it’s over right?
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 6, 2018 16:39:39 GMT -5
Guess the finale episodes came out yesterday haven't seen them yet though |
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Post by Newan on Mar 6, 2018 16:41:56 GMT -5
The final episodes leave a lot kind of open ended...
- So in the flash forward after Endor we now know Ezra has been missing for 10 years almost and perhaps Thrawn as well? Although there's a new Thrawn book in June that takes place after Rebels I think. But DF confirmed both are alive at the end.
- Lothal got liberated and doesn't get attacked again, guess that's not too surprising, I don't think the planet had any uses left.
- Ahsoka is still alive post Endor? That's kind of weird... we have an explanation for why Ezra is not around in the OT but realistically Ahsoka shouldn't be around either, but then again Ahsoka isn't actually a Jedi so Yoda words to Luke are not exactly false, he is the last of the Jedi.
- How does this impact Palpatine? I really liked his portrayal in the last episode but what was he trying to do? I think he managed to open a gateway to the past and thus restore the temple so he could access the Mortis like place again. But I'd like to know the fallout to that, I feel like Palpatine may have conducted a search for Thrawn where as the Rebels did not for Ezra.
My guess is there will be a new series post ROTJ, between originals and sequels and they will likely incorporate the surviving Rebels characters in but maybe not as a focus since the OT guys will be around as well. If this kind of a series were to happen I'd imagine Thrawn would be one of the villains, likely would return from the unknown regions again to rally the remaining Imperial forces which aka is basically the old Thrawn trilogy and those were perhaps the best stories of the old canon tbh.
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Post by Newan on Mar 6, 2018 16:48:27 GMT -5
Tbh maybe those crazy fan theories with Ezra being one of the founding Knights of Ren are not so crazy... I mean it's plausible that both Ezra and Thrawn are involved in the creation of the first order, more so the later
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Post by Pinda on Mar 6, 2018 16:50:40 GMT -5
Finally. Now maybe they can make a good Star Wars series. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 6, 2018 16:54:49 GMT -5
The final episodes leave a lot kind of open ended... - So in the flash forward after Endor we now know Ezra has been missing for 10 years almost and perhaps Thrawn as well? Although there's a new Thrawn book in June that takes place after Rebels I think. But DF confirmed both are alive at the end. - Lothal got liberated and doesn't get attacked again, guess that's not too surprising, I don't think the planet had any uses left. - Ahsoka is still alive post Endor? That's kind of weird... we have an explanation for why Ezra is not around in the OT but realistically Ahsoka shouldn't be around either, but then again Ahsoka isn't actually a Jedi so Yoda words to Luke are not exactly false, he is the last of the Jedi. - How does this impact Palpatine? I really liked his portrayal in the last episode but what was he trying to do? I think he managed to open a gateway to the past and thus restore the temple so he could access the Mortis like place again. But I'd like to know the fallout to that, I feel like Palpatine may have conducted a search for Thrawn where as the Rebels did not for Ezra. My guess is there will be a new series post ROTJ, between originals and sequels and they will likely incorporate the surviving Rebels characters in but maybe not as a focus since the OT guys will be around as well. If this kind of a series were to happen I'd imagine Thrawn would be one of the villains, likely would return from the unknown regions again to rally the remaining Imperial forces which aka is basically the old Thrawn trilogy and those were perhaps the best stories of the old canon tbh. That piece of shit Ezra is still alive? Too bad. I was hoping for a good series after Rebels... looks like it is going to be more of the same crap. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 6, 2018 16:58:18 GMT -5
Ahsoka being alive after Anakin’s dead just seems weird TBH.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 6, 2018 17:04:11 GMT -5
Ahsoka being alive after Anakin’s dead just seems weird TBH. You can likely chalk that up to Dave having attachment issues. She should've died on Malochor. It was the most natural way of seeing her end, but he just couldn't let go. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 6, 2018 17:30:03 GMT -5
Ahsoka being alive after Anakin’s dead just seems weird TBH. You can likely chalk that up to Dave having attachment issues. She should've died on Malochor. It was the most natural way of seeing her end, but he just couldn't let go. Well, to be fair, we don't know how things would have gone if TCW was allowed to continue to the end. The way things went now it made more sense to keep Ahsoka alive because if she had not appeared in Rebels we would never have gotten any closure on her story from TCW in an animated form. I don't blame Dave for that decision. And honestly, I don't mind Ahsoka surviving... It's Rex that's more of a problem to me. He should have died on in the finale. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 6, 2018 17:37:48 GMT -5
So if they are going to do a post-ROTJ series this is what I want to see: - Good animation. Say what you want but even in its final season Rebels has shit animation compared to TCW. At the very least update Hondo's character model. That thing induces eye-cancer.
- A more mature series. I am not talking about GOT-levels of mature, just slightly below late-TCW levels of maturity is sufficient.
- Arcs instead of a linear series. It can be more linear than TCW, but I would like to see some separate stories with different characters.
- No focus on any Rebels character, especially not Ezra. They can make cameos... because I cannot see them ignoring all these characters entirely... but I don't want them to have a major role in the series. ESPECIALLY NOT EZRA.
- Instead, they should focus on the original trilogy characters and Ahsoka. Why Ahsoka? Well she was Anakin's padawan, I want to see her fight side-by-side with Luke. Also, I want her to react to Anakin's redemption and I want Anakin and Obi-wan to continue to play a role in the saga through her. Like they could speak to her as force ghosts.
- Sheev. I know he is dead, but let him have some kind of influence.
- Snoke I guess... Make his character just a bit less disappointing.
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Post by Pinda on Mar 6, 2018 17:40:14 GMT -5
Rebels shows how bad Filoni actually is with ideas. I respect him, because I honestly think he wants to tell good stories and he loves Star Wars, unlike the people responsible for the Sequel trilogy. But he is like a reverse George Lucas. He is good at executing ideas and directing, but he is horrible at coming up with things himself. So George and Dave were a great team as they complemented each other and that's why TCW worked. But without George to handle the ideas Filoni fails.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 6, 2018 18:26:28 GMT -5
Rebels shows how bad Filoni actually is with ideas. I respect him, because I honestly think he wants to tell good stories and he loves Star Wars, unlike the people responsible for the Sequel trilogy. But he is like a reverse George Lucas. He is good at executing ideas and directing, but he is horrible at coming up with things himself. So George and Dave were a great team as they complemented each other and that's why TCW worked. But without George to handle the ideas Filoni fails. This pretty much sums it up. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 6, 2018 20:26:40 GMT -5
Finale was an absolute bore to watch... No point in bringing every single one of their made up and unlikeable characters to show the "family" together one last time. Almost all of them were handled completely wrong like I didn't even know any of their names... Honestly I completely forgot Kallus existed and they waited way too long to bring back Gregor and Wolffe. Then they gave Gregor a lame ass death.....
And you can't have people like that random shemale bounty hunter or Vizago just show up out of nowhere like they have just been waiting this whole time to help out the rebels. Also when did it suddenly once again become a rag tag group fighting to free Lothal? The Rebel Alliance exists... Just join them
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 6, 2018 20:30:50 GMT -5
Part 2
Low key liked the idea of Thrawn and Ezra stuck together in random deep space. I mean it doesn't entirely make sense since the windows of the star destroyer bridge broke and they wouldn't be able to survive in space... But okay whatever...
Okay and Hera has a freak of a son with either Kanan or Rex and has green f ucking hair and what the absolute fuck... I don't really know what to think of that... And honestly they should've shown Sabine with long hair for once she looked so ugly with that buzz... Honestly every character model on the show was ugly
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just the voices
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 