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Post by Pinda on Dec 20, 2015 15:15:30 GMT -5
So, Snoke is obviously a character that can cause lots of discussion (and probably will continue to until at least the next movie). So I thought: Why not make a separate thread for these theories, so they won't fill up the TFA thread?
So here it is. Here everything related to Snoke's identity can be discussed. I will try to create a list of known facts about Snoke including sources in the first post. If you find anything interesting about Snoke post it here (including a link/reference to the source).
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Post by Potato on Dec 20, 2015 15:22:22 GMT -5
I stand by my opinion that he's not Plagueis (I still think some of the theories and speculation about it are fun though). But, really, if he was Plagueis, why wouldn't they just tell us that? Why hide it and call him Snoke instead? It's not that big of a reveal, especially because the majority of people who saw TFA probably don't even know who Plagueis is. So for most people, the reveal would mean nothing.
Plus, I'm not totally 100% about this since I don't own the book, but apparently the TFA Art Book says that they considered making Snoke female at one point. Which suggests that he was always intended to be a new character.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 20, 2015 15:26:59 GMT -5
I stand by my opinion that he's not Plagueis (I still think some of the theories and speculation about it are fun though). But, really, if he was Plagueis, why wouldn't they just tell us that? Why hide it and call him Snoke instead? It's not that big of a reveal, especially because the majority of people who saw TFA probably don't even know who Plagueis is. So for most people, the reveal would mean nothing. Plus, I'm not totally 100% about this since I don't own the book, but apparently the TFA Art Book says that they considered making Snoke female at one point. Which suggests that he was always intended to be a new character. Well, they said Snoke is supposed to generate discussion, so obviously they didn't want to reveal his identity in the first movie, regardless of who/what he is. And I think it would be a big reveal for everyone. The name Plagueis might not mean a lot for the average viewer but "Palpatine's master" probably would... And yeah, you are right about the art book, I mentioned it in the TFA thread (it could be fake, but it's probably real) but we don't know at what stage of production they considered making Snoke female or how serious the consideration was. I mean, we also saw concept art of Kylo Ren as a robotic person. Also, the theory a lot of people have is that Plagueis basically created a new body, so he could have been female from that point of view. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 20, 2015 15:41:47 GMT -5
It's quite possible though that they don't have any real plans for Snoke's identity and left that story up to the writers of Episode 8 and 9.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 14:27:42 GMT -5
ColliderVideos apparently posted a video that started with a discussion of Snoke being Plagueis (as they believed the Snoke = Muun picture from the Spanish magazine was real) but Disney requested that they removed the segment and the Spanish picture (which was the thumbnail) from their video... interesting, to say the least...
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 15:00:49 GMT -5
What if Snoke actually isn't a alien and that hologram is just to cover his identity? Why would an alien be leading empire that's prejudice to aliens.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 15:12:11 GMT -5
What if Snoke actually isn't a alien and that hologram is just to cover his identity? Why would an alien be leading empire that's prejudice to aliens. He looks humanoid enough. And if he is Plagueis that would be reason enough for the empire to follow him. Also, they may not be that racist against aliens anymore. But yeah, he might look different in person, especially if the Plagueis theory is true, obviously they couldn't make him look like a Muun because then people would immediately know who he is. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 21, 2015 15:12:36 GMT -5
ColliderVideos apparently posted a video that started with a discussion of Snoke being Plagueis (as they believed the Snoke = Muun picture from the Spanish magazine was real) but Disney requested that they removed the segment and the Spanish picture (which was the thumbnail) from their video... interesting, to say the least... I follow them and their Jedi Council videos, and they've been speculating all year that Snoke is Plagueis. They're sort of biased with this theory.  They apparently had sources that confirmed to them that Snoke was a Muun (or Muun-like), but that obviously turned out to be false. I think some people have just clung to this theory to the point that they won't believe anything else. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 15:16:44 GMT -5
ColliderVideos apparently posted a video that started with a discussion of Snoke being Plagueis (as they believed the Snoke = Muun picture from the Spanish magazine was real) but Disney requested that they removed the segment and the Spanish picture (which was the thumbnail) from their video... interesting, to say the least... I follow them and their Jedi Council videos, and they've been speculating all year that Snoke is Plagueis. They're sort of biased with this theory. They apparently had sources that confirmed to them that Snoke was a Muun (or Muun-like), but that obviously turned out to be false. I think some people have just clung to this theory to the point that they won't believe anything else. Well, the Disney DID ask them to remove the video. And their source only confirmed Snoke looked a lot like the Spanish picture (and I could understand that someone would say yes, he still kind of looks Muun-like). Either way, the fact that Disney asked them to remove it is weird... |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 15:59:06 GMT -5
What if Snoke actually isn't a alien and that hologram is just to cover his identity? Why would an alien be leading empire that's prejudice to aliens. He looks humanoid enough. And if he is Plagueis that would be reason enough for the empire to follow him. Also, they may not be that racist against aliens anymore. But yeah, he might look different in person, especially if the Plagueis theory is true, obviously they couldn't make him look like a Muun because then people would immediately know who he is. Plagueis was too long ago though, I don't think anyone knows or cares who he is. Everybody connected to him is dead. He could be a leader of the new Sith if the theory is true but the Empire has no reason to follow him just because he's Plagueis. Well I assume they wouldn't want to go with the hood and robes thing again so this whole figure could just be a ruse to throw people off and keep his identity secret all the time. He could have just used Plagueis figure as a disguise. TBH we actually don't even know if he's force sensitive or not for sure... |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 16:39:40 GMT -5
He looks humanoid enough. And if he is Plagueis that would be reason enough for the empire to follow him. Also, they may not be that racist against aliens anymore. But yeah, he might look different in person, especially if the Plagueis theory is true, obviously they couldn't make him look like a Muun because then people would immediately know who he is. Plagueis was too long ago though, I don't think anyone knows or cares who he is. Everybody connected to him is dead. He could be a leader of the new Sith if the theory is true but the Empire has no reason to follow him just because he's Plagueis. Well I assume they wouldn't want to go with the hood and robes thing again so this whole figure could just be a ruse to throw people off and keep his identity secret all the time. He could have just used Plagueis figure as a disguise. TBH we actually don't even know if he's force sensitive or not for sure... He felt an "awakening" and is training Kylo in the ways of the force, I'm fairly certain he is force sensitive. Also, according to the novel he can whisper to people from across the universe, so that is probably a force ability. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 16:44:00 GMT -5
Plagueis was too long ago though, I don't think anyone knows or cares who he is. Everybody connected to him is dead. He could be a leader of the new Sith if the theory is true but the Empire has no reason to follow him just because he's Plagueis. Well I assume they wouldn't want to go with the hood and robes thing again so this whole figure could just be a ruse to throw people off and keep his identity secret all the time. He could have just used Plagueis figure as a disguise. TBH we actually don't even know if he's force sensitive or not for sure... He felt an "awakening" and is training Kylo in the ways of the force, I'm fairly certain he is force sensitive. Also, according to the novel he can whisper to people from across the universe, so that is probably a force ability. I meant like Sith/ Jedi though, there's different kinds of force sensitive since the night sisters are in their own way |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 16:47:21 GMT -5
He felt an "awakening" and is training Kylo in the ways of the force, I'm fairly certain he is force sensitive. Also, according to the novel he can whisper to people from across the universe, so that is probably a force ability. I meant like Sith/ Jedi though, there's different kinds of force sensitive since the night sisters are in their own way Well, yeah we don't know that yet, he seems to believe that a combination of light and dark is good. But then again, in episode 3 Palpatine says something similar about himself and Plagueis... |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 16:55:17 GMT -5
I meant like Sith/ Jedi though, there's different kinds of force sensitive since the night sisters are in their own way Well, yeah we don't know that yet, he seems to believe that a combination of light and dark is good. But then again, in episode 3 Palpatine says something similar about himself and Plagueis... Palpatine doesn't care for the light though. If Snoke isn't Plagueis then that's leaves a bunch more questions on who trained him? |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 16:58:26 GMT -5
Crazy theory... Palpatine is actually Snoke. Palpatine preserved the body of his master after death and then transferred his life force or whatever to that body after his normal body could no longer support him. Now Palpatine has his second chance at using a Skywaller to his advantage without interference from many Jedi.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 17:01:01 GMT -5
Well, yeah we don't know that yet, he seems to believe that a combination of light and dark is good. But then again, in episode 3 Palpatine says something similar about himself and Plagueis... Palpatine doesn't care for the light though. If Snoke isn't Plagueis then that's leaves a bunch more questions on who trained him? Yeah, if he isn't Plagueis there will be so many questions to answer about him... Who trained him? What is he? Where did he come from? Who was his previous apprentice? And Palpatine may not care for the light, but he said his mentor (Plagueis) taught him about the light and the dark, because you need to know both to understand the force. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 17:02:49 GMT -5
Actually I think the Noghtsisters knew something about transferring your life force or whatever so it's not impossible that Palpatine learned a ritual in fact this is just as likely a theory as Plagueis actually being alive IMO since I'm not convinced Palpatine wouldn't finish the job and make sure he is dead
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 17:33:31 GMT -5
Actually I think the Noghtsisters knew something about transferring your life force or whatever so it's not impossible that Palpatine learned a ritual in fact this is just as likely a theory as Plagueis actually being alive IMO since I'm not convinced Palpatine wouldn't finish the job and make sure he is dead Well, Plagueis is obviously superior to Palpatine (at least at the time of Palpatine's attempt to murder Plagueis) so he could easily have tricked Palpatine. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 18:34:53 GMT -5
Actually I think the Noghtsisters knew something about transferring your life force or whatever so it's not impossible that Palpatine learned a ritual in fact this is just as likely a theory as Plagueis actually being alive IMO since I'm not convinced Palpatine wouldn't finish the job and make sure he is dead Well, Plagueis is obviously superior to Palpatine (at least at the time of Palpatine's attempt to murder Plagueis) so he could easily have tricked Palpatine. I really don't think he was superior or could have tricked him. Palpatine is considered the most powerful Sith, even GL said that I believe |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 18:52:26 GMT -5
Well, Plagueis is obviously superior to Palpatine (at least at the time of Palpatine's attempt to murder Plagueis) so he could easily have tricked Palpatine. I really don't think he was superior or could have tricked him. Palpatine is considered the most powerful Sith, even GL said that I believe Well, I'm fairly certain Plagueis was more powerful (in the Pre-TPM era at least). As far as we know Sidious couldn't create life or manipulate it, he claims that only with Anakin's help he could achieve a level of power equal to Plagueis. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 21, 2015 18:56:12 GMT -5
Basically i'm 50/50 with this one. He's either Plagueis or not. That's all i've gotta say about him xD
And his name is horrible. That too. Good thing it's just a cover name.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 18:59:46 GMT -5
Basically i'm 50/50 with this one. He's either Plagueis or not. That's all i've gotta say about him xD And his name is horrible. That too. Good thing it's just a cover name. Well, I'm 50/50 too, although I really hope he is Plagueis, I'm far from certain. There is evidence in favour and against it, but nothing strong enough to proof or disproof it 100%. Also, they could still change their plans for Snoke, if they even had any to begin with, in Episode 8 and 9. Either way, if he's not Plagueis he is probably a new character entirely. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 19:08:14 GMT -5
I really don't think he was superior or could have tricked him. Palpatine is considered the most powerful Sith, even GL said that I believe Well, I'm fairly certain Plagueis was more powerful (in the Pre-TPM era at least). As far as we know Sidious couldn't create life or manipulate it, he claims that only with Anakin's help he could achieve a level of power equal to Plagueis. Plagueis never created life though, he manipulate it by reviving someone he would kill over and over but he was far from perfect. Anakin as supposedly created through the force but if going by the book that wasnt just Plagueis doing, it as the combine strength of him and Palpatine that allowed that to happen and Palpatine is stronger. That was also when Palpatine had already been his apprentice for like 20 years as well On the SWTOR forums Plagueis usually falls like 7-9 (often depending on the rules of threads) in the top 10 Sith lists. And trust me there's like a dozen guys on there that must all be DF clones because they know everything there is to know about the EU. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 21, 2015 20:48:05 GMT -5
Apparently I read that Snoke and Kylo are NOT Sith and that's coming from JJ Abrams, Kylo obviously but Snoke?? Hmm.
Snoke is someone who saw the empire rise and fall though
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2015 20:55:09 GMT -5
Apparently I read that Snoke and Kylo are NOT Sith and that's coming from JJ Abrams, Kylo obviously but Snoke?? Hmm. Snoke is someone who saw the empire rise and fall though As far as I know only Kylo is confirmed to not be Sith, nothing about Snoke. Also, it's quite possible that Snoke was Sith at some point but eventually left the Sith Order... And yeah, he is old... |
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Post by The Jawa Juicer on Dec 22, 2015 11:57:27 GMT -5
Snoke is Jar Jar. We went through this a few weeks ago.  |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 27, 2015 16:07:47 GMT -5
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Post by Potato on Dec 27, 2015 19:42:05 GMT -5
Snoke is the love child of Jar Jar and Palpatine's clone and was enhanced by extracting the medichlorians from Darth Plagueis' body. He's also Boba Fett's cousin. And he's secretly the father of every member of the new cast.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 27, 2015 19:56:17 GMT -5
Snoke is the love child of Jar Jar and Palpatine's clone and was enhanced by extracting the medichlorians from Darth Plagueis' body. He's also Boba Fett's cousin. And he's secretly the father of every member of the new cast. It all makes sense now. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 27, 2015 20:35:17 GMT -5
Snoke is the love child of Jar Jar and Palpatine's clone and was enhanced by extracting the medichlorians from Darth Plagueis' body. He's also Boba Fett's cousin. And he's secretly the father of every member of the new cast. Don't forget that he is also R2-D2's brother |
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They apparently had sources that confirmed to them that Snoke was a Muun (or Muun-like), but that obviously turned out to be false. I think some people have just clung to this theory to the point that they won't believe anything else.
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