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Post by Jedi Knight Fett on Dec 27, 2015 21:04:14 GMT -5
I want Snoke to be an original character and all new with a few connections to the Emperor, Vader, etc... But I truly believe that they are going for the whole Plaguise is Snoke thing and here is why. Snoke is old enough to have seen the Empire rise and the Empire fall this means he is at least 66 years or older. He seems to be half dead. by this I mean his face seems to have been bunched and worn through many events. Snoke's theme music also sounds similar to the Opera scene in ROTS music among other things. Kylo wants to finish what vader started, what if this means to save people from dyeing? Yes Padme died anyway so for Anakin it was pointless to continue that pursuit.
The reasons I don't want it to be Plaguise are quite simple. First it ruins the whole Chosen One thing going on with Anakin and secondly I want new people with force powers other then Jedi and Sith.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 28, 2015 7:32:10 GMT -5
I want Snoke to be an original character and all new with a few connections to the Emperor, Vader, etc... But I truly believe that they are going for the whole Plaguise is Snoke thing and here is why. Snoke is old enough to have seen the Empire rise and the Empire fall this means he is at least 66 years or older. He seems to be half dead. by this I mean his face seems to have been bunched and worn through many events. Snoke's theme music also sounds similar to the Opera scene in ROTS music among other things. Kylo wants to finish what vader started, what if this means to save people from dyeing? Yes Padme died anyway so for Anakin it was pointless to continue that pursuit. The reasons I don't want it to be Plaguise are quite simple. First it ruins the whole Chosen One thing going on with Anakin and secondly I want new people with force powers other then Jedi and Sith. To be fair the Chosen One thing is kind of vague... I'm sure they could find a way around it. It's even mentioned in TFA that they force is out of balance... so Anakin didn't really change much... And if Snoke is Plagueis I think he is no longer a Sith. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 28, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -5
I want Snoke to be an original character and all new with a few connections to the Emperor, Vader, etc... But I truly believe that they are going for the whole Plaguise is Snoke thing and here is why. Snoke is old enough to have seen the Empire rise and the Empire fall this means he is at least 66 years or older. He seems to be half dead. by this I mean his face seems to have been bunched and worn through many events. Snoke's theme music also sounds similar to the Opera scene in ROTS music among other things. Kylo wants to finish what vader started, what if this means to save people from dyeing? Yes Padme died anyway so for Anakin it was pointless to continue that pursuit. The reasons I don't want it to be Plaguise are quite simple. First it ruins the whole Chosen One thing going on with Anakin and secondly I want new people with force powers other then Jedi and Sith. Well i never saw Anakin as the "Chosen One" I think the term refers to the Skywalker family and not one person but that the Jedi misunderstood it. Since Luke was vital in getting Vader out of Anakin so he could kill the Emperor. Now Rey will be vital in taking down Plagueis. Until the Dark Side returns once again. You can't have light without the darkness. |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Dec 28, 2015 9:25:08 GMT -5
Maybe the Force Awakens is like the Rebirth of Airbenders in LOK. Pinda would get the reference. Because maybe more and more people are some how realizing they have the force. Just like in LOK with airbending. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2016 20:14:27 GMT -5
  These are the only official images that existed of Plagueis before Disney took over (both are now non-canon) it's funny how the first one is an enlarged colored hologram (The only other hologram we have seen like this is Snoke's) and the second shows him sitting on a throne... just like Snoke, originally Snoke was supposed to hide his face under a cap too... so... interesting parallels there. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2016 20:29:47 GMT -5
His face texture and color are similar to Plagueis but I don't think Snoke is a muun.. Like others have said I doubt it'd be Plagueis, they probably don't want to revisit much from the PT era if anything not to mention how it wouldn't really be a huge reveal mostly because not everyone would know him/get it
But I guess if it was someone new, they could've just told us (I think someone said this) so idk..
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Post by Pinda on Jan 2, 2016 21:18:32 GMT -5
His face texture and color are similar to Plagueis but I don't think Snoke is a muun.. Like others have said I doubt it'd be Plagueis, they probably don't want to revisit much from the PT era if anything not to mention how it wouldn't really be a huge reveal mostly because not everyone would know him/get it But I guess if it was someone new, they could've just told us (I think someone said this) so idk.. Plagueis being a Muun is no longer canon though, and they said they wanted people to speculate about Snoke... if they had made Snoke look like a Muun in TFA everyone would have known it was Plagueis. And even for those that don't know Plagueis revealing him as Palpatine's master will be a pretty big thing... |
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2016 23:26:12 GMT -5
His face texture and color are similar to Plagueis but I don't think Snoke is a muun.. Like others have said I doubt it'd be Plagueis, they probably don't want to revisit much from the PT era if anything not to mention how it wouldn't really be a huge reveal mostly because not everyone would know him/get it But I guess if it was someone new, they could've just told us (I think someone said this) so idk.. Plagueis being a Muun is no longer canon though, and they said they wanted people to speculate about Snoke... if they had made Snoke look like a Muun in TFA everyone would have known it was Plagueis. And even for those that don't know Plagueis revealing him as Palpatine's master will be a pretty big thing... Id say prepare to be disappointed then |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 7, 2016 19:06:29 GMT -5
Someone pointed out that in the novel Snoke whispers to Rey and tells her to kill Kylo and take his place, which could mean that Snoke is a Sith and believes in the rule of two... it's kind of interesting, it does seem like a Sith thing to say something like that...
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Post by Star on Jan 7, 2016 19:56:30 GMT -5
Andy Serkis pretty much confirmed that Snoke wasn't someone from earlier in the Star Wars universe, meaning that he's a new character. Plus Abrams made him sound like he's not even a Sith. moviepilot.com/posts/3719178 |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 7, 2016 20:20:56 GMT -5
Andy Serkis pretty much confirmed that Snoke wasn't someone from earlier in the Star Wars universe, meaning that he's a new character. Plus Abrams made him sound like he's not even a Sith. moviepilot.com/posts/3719178Kylo is not Sith, we know nothing about Snoke. And Plagueis could have abandoned the Sith for all we know. Also, all Serkis said was that Snoke was pretty much a new character... Plagueis (or another Sith) would still be kind of new since he was only vaguely mentioned once before. |
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Post by Star on Jan 7, 2016 20:39:53 GMT -5
Andy Serkis pretty much confirmed that Snoke wasn't someone from earlier in the Star Wars universe, meaning that he's a new character. Plus Abrams made him sound like he's not even a Sith. moviepilot.com/posts/3719178Kylo is not Sith, we know nothing about Snoke. And Plagueis could have abandoned the Sith for all we know. Also, all Serkis said was that Snoke was pretty much a new character... Plagueis (or another Sith) would still be kind of new since he was only vaguely mentioned once before. Snoke is said to be a new character in the universe, meaning he isn't someone that's previously shown or mentioned. Although Snoke being Plagueis is still a small possibility, it seems clear they want Snoke to be a new character in the Star Wars universe. I wouldn't mind seeing Snoke being Plagueis, but it seems extremely unlikely at this point. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 7, 2016 21:12:20 GMT -5
Kylo is not Sith, we know nothing about Snoke. And Plagueis could have abandoned the Sith for all we know. Also, all Serkis said was that Snoke was pretty much a new character... Plagueis (or another Sith) would still be kind of new since he was only vaguely mentioned once before. Snoke is said to be a new character in the universe, meaning he isn't someone that's previously shown or mentioned. Although Snoke being Plagueis is still a small possibility, it seems clear they want Snoke to be a new character in the Star Wars universe. I wouldn't mind seeing Snoke being Plagueis, but it seems extremely unlikely at this point. Well, I still not convinced Plagueis is Snoke myself but I don't these comments by Serkis (he said that several months ago by the way) would rule out Plagueis at all. Besides, saying that Snoke is not a new character, or refusing to answer the question would make his identity quite obvious. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 7, 2016 21:24:42 GMT -5
Snoke is said to be a new character in the universe, meaning he isn't someone that's previously shown or mentioned. Although Snoke being Plagueis is still a small possibility, it seems clear they want Snoke to be a new character in the Star Wars universe. I wouldn't mind seeing Snoke being Plagueis, but it seems extremely unlikely at this point. Well, I still not convinced Plagueis is Snoke myself but I don't these comments by Serkis (he said that several months ago by the way) would rule out Plagueis at all. Besides, saying that Snoke is not a new character, or refusing to answer the question would make his identity quite obvious. He said that Snoke was a new character, though. JJ Abrams also specifically said he wasn't Plagueis at Comic Con. I know he said the same thing about Khan in Star Trek, but he got a lot of flak for lying and I doubt he's lying now. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 7, 2016 21:26:47 GMT -5
I just think that if he was Plagueis they would have told us. There was no need to come up with the name Snoke and pretend he's a new character. I would have liked for him to be Plagueis in the beginning, but at this point I think it's for the best that he's a new character.
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Post by Pinda on Jan 7, 2016 21:41:04 GMT -5
Well, I still not convinced Plagueis is Snoke myself but I don't these comments by Serkis (he said that several months ago by the way) would rule out Plagueis at all. Besides, saying that Snoke is not a new character, or refusing to answer the question would make his identity quite obvious. He said that Snoke was a new character, though. JJ Abrams also specifically said he wasn't Plagueis at Comic Con. I know he said the same thing about Khan in Star Trek, but he got a lot of flak for lying and I doubt he's lying now. Abrama didn't say that though. The question was "Will there be any mention of Plagueis in Episode 7?" after some awkward silence and a bad attempt at humor he answered he didn't want to give anything away but the answer was no. But regardless of whether Snoke is Plagueis the name Plagueis was not mentioned in episode 7... so he even if Plagueis is Snoke Abrams didn't lie. Also, I don't see how else he could have answered the question. Saying 'yes' or not answering at all would basically confirm Plagueis as Snoke, so that would be stupid to do. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 7, 2016 22:29:31 GMT -5
He said that Snoke was a new character, though. JJ Abrams also specifically said he wasn't Plagueis at Comic Con. I know he said the same thing about Khan in Star Trek, but he got a lot of flak for lying and I doubt he's lying now. Abrama didn't say that though. The question was "Will there be any mention of Plagueis in Episode 7?" after some awkward silence and a bad attempt at humor he answered he didn't want to give anything away but the answer was no. But regardless of whether Snoke is Plagueis the name Plagueis was not mentioned in episode 7... so he even if Plagueis is Snoke Abrams didn't lie. Also, I don't see how else he could have answered the question. Saying 'yes' or not answering at all would basically confirm Plagueis as Snoke, so that would be stupid to do. I think the bad attempt at humor was actually serious... the guy who called him "Darth Vegas" (Lawrence Kasdan) probably had no idea who Plagueis was.  JJ seemed to know at least. But the writer of the movie seeming to not know who he was would further suggest that Snoke's not Plagueis. I think it'd be funny if Snoke's background wasn't revealed in VIII and we had to go through these debates for another two years until IX. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 8, 2016 3:36:31 GMT -5
Abrama didn't say that though. The question was "Will there be any mention of Plagueis in Episode 7?" after some awkward silence and a bad attempt at humor he answered he didn't want to give anything away but the answer was no. But regardless of whether Snoke is Plagueis the name Plagueis was not mentioned in episode 7... so he even if Plagueis is Snoke Abrams didn't lie. Also, I don't see how else he could have answered the question. Saying 'yes' or not answering at all would basically confirm Plagueis as Snoke, so that would be stupid to do. I think the bad attempt at humor was actually serious... the guy who called him "Darth Vegas" (Lawrence Kasdan) probably had no idea who Plagueis was. JJ seemed to know at least. But the writer of the movie seeming to not know who he was would further suggest that Snoke's not Plagueis. I think it'd be funny if Snoke's background wasn't revealed in VIII and we had to go through these debates for another two years until IX. Even if they didn't envision Snoke as Plaguis, the opportunity to make him so is still open. It just depends on what Rian Johnson thinks of the prequels |
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2016 3:47:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty convinced he's a new character now.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 8, 2016 6:46:58 GMT -5
Also the Knights of Ren except Kylo don't seem to have lightsabers... I feel like they would if they were all Sih or whatever
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Post by Pinda on Jan 8, 2016 7:31:26 GMT -5
Abrama didn't say that though. The question was "Will there be any mention of Plagueis in Episode 7?" after some awkward silence and a bad attempt at humor he answered he didn't want to give anything away but the answer was no. But regardless of whether Snoke is Plagueis the name Plagueis was not mentioned in episode 7... so he even if Plagueis is Snoke Abrams didn't lie. Also, I don't see how else he could have answered the question. Saying 'yes' or not answering at all would basically confirm Plagueis as Snoke, so that would be stupid to do. I think the bad attempt at humor was actually serious... the guy who called him "Darth Vegas" (Lawrence Kasdan) probably had no idea who Plagueis was. JJ seemed to know at least. But the writer of the movie seeming to not know who he was would further suggest that Snoke's not Plagueis. I think it'd be funny if Snoke's background wasn't revealed in VIII and we had to go through these debates for another two years until IX. Lawrence Kasdan should know who Plagueis is. You can't write a 7th Star Wars film if you don't know what happened in the previous 6. Also, Abrams seemed to think he was joking, and he passed on the question to Kasdan for a reason. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 8, 2016 7:34:04 GMT -5
I think the bad attempt at humor was actually serious... the guy who called him "Darth Vegas" (Lawrence Kasdan) probably had no idea who Plagueis was. JJ seemed to know at least. But the writer of the movie seeming to not know who he was would further suggest that Snoke's not Plagueis. I think it'd be funny if Snoke's background wasn't revealed in VIII and we had to go through these debates for another two years until IX. Even if they didn't envision Snoke as Plaguis, the opportunity to make him so is still open. It just depends on what Rian Johnson thinks of the prequels Yeah, I heard they had plans for the next movie but they weren't really worked out and Rian Jonhson already changed some of it. They can still do whatever they want with Snoke. If they want his identity to be a surprise they obviously won't make him Plagueis. If they want his identity to tie in with the prequels (I heard this Rian Jonhson really liked the prequels) they will make him Plagueis. But still, whoever he is, I hope he is not just Snoke... that would be disappointing and just generally weird since they want to people to have discussions about Snoke. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 8, 2016 7:35:02 GMT -5
Also the Knights of Ren except Kylo don't seem to have lightsabers... I feel like they would if they were all Sih or whatever None of them are Sith. But none of the Inquisitors were Sith, and they still worked for Palpatine/Vader. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 8, 2016 15:16:35 GMT -5
Even if they didn't envision Snoke as Plaguis, the opportunity to make him so is still open. It just depends on what Rian Johnson thinks of the prequels Yeah, I heard they had plans for the next movie but they weren't really worked out and Rian Jonhson already changed some of it. They can still do whatever they want with Snoke. If they want his identity to be a surprise they obviously won't make him Plagueis. If they want his identity to tie in with the prequels (I heard this Rian Jonhson really liked the prequels) they will make him Plagueis. But still, whoever he is, I hope he is not just Snoke... that would be disappointing and just generally weird since they want to people to have discussions about Snoke. Wait, Rian's a prequel sympathiser? Well, putting that into account and considering how praised he is as a writer/director, I think we're in even safer hands now But yes, it would feel like a bit empty that he's just some new guy that's popped out of nowhere, yet I have a sneaky suspicion that there's likely a lot more to him than just being some crippled old guy that looks like a mash up of Azog, Voldemort, Nosforatu and Bill Nighy |
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2016 15:24:41 GMT -5
JJ said they where not Sith and Sekeris says he isn't an old character.... That's enough for me now to believe it
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Post by Pinda on Jan 8, 2016 15:31:40 GMT -5
JJ said they where not Sith and Sekeris says he isn't an old character.... That's enough for me now to believe it Abrams is misquoted. He never said Snoke is not a Sith or wasn't one in the past. All he said is that Kylo Ren is not a Sith. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2016 15:41:26 GMT -5
JJ said they where not Sith and Sekeris says he isn't an old character.... That's enough for me now to believe it Abrams is misquoted. He never said Snoke is not a Sith or wasn't one in the past. All he said is that Kylo Ren is not a Sith. Well unless I see the next movie thst confirms he's a Sith or old character I am done speculating about Snoke... Don't believe he is anyone from the past |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 8, 2016 16:36:25 GMT -5
Also the Knights of Ren except Kylo don't seem to have lightsabers... I feel like they would if they were all Sih or whatever None of them are Sith. But none of the Inquisitors were Sith, and they still worked for Palpatine/Vader. True idk what point I was trying to make |
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Post by Pinda on Apr 1, 2016 18:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Apr 1, 2016 18:35:02 GMT -5
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JJ seemed to know at least. But the writer of the movie seeming to not know who he was would further suggest that Snoke's not Plagueis. 
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