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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 15:47:50 GMT -5
Hmm maybe a Rouge One teaser may play before TFA
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Post by Pinda on Dec 14, 2015 15:50:08 GMT -5
They confirmed there would be bounty hunters in Rogue One, some claim to have proof that Cad Bane is one of them. And Jango fought some Jedi... Boba just got killed. Random fights doesn't mean he did anything... Starting to sound like GL that action 24/7 and mass amounts of CGI make the movie good. I think it would be more likely be some of the less known hunters maybe IG-88, Dengar and Bossk. Maybe Bane but probably not Boba... Idk Boba though would instantly increase popularity No, but Boba didn't do anything. Sure he tracked the Falcon, but that wasn't too hard and that was the only thing he did... Vader did everything else for him. And I think having all these bounty hunters in Rogue One (including Boba) would be a great set-up for a Boba spin-off if they plan to do one. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 15:54:39 GMT -5
Random fights doesn't mean he did anything... Starting to sound like GL that action 24/7 and mass amounts of CGI make the movie good. I think it would be more likely be some of the less known hunters maybe IG-88, Dengar and Bossk. Maybe Bane but probably not Boba... Idk Boba though would instantly increase popularity No, but Boba didn't do anything. Sure he tracked the Falcon, but that wasn't too hard and that was the only thing he did... Vader did everything else for him. And I think having all these bounty hunters in Rogue One (including Boba) would be a great set-up for a Boba spin-off if they plan to do one. That part was still more significant then some random fights though. Yeah I guess but I'm not really sure what these bounty hunters would be meant to do, I thought the movie was the rebels robbing imperials plans... |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 14, 2015 15:55:36 GMT -5
No, but Boba didn't do anything. Sure he tracked the Falcon, but that wasn't too hard and that was the only thing he did... Vader did everything else for him. And I think having all these bounty hunters in Rogue One (including Boba) would be a great set-up for a Boba spin-off if they plan to do one. That part was still more significant then some random fights though. Yeah I guess but I'm not really sure what these bounty hunters would be meant to do, I thought the movie was the rebels robbing imperials plans... Maybe the bounty hunter have to stop the rebels, or hunt them down and return the plans? |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 16:10:06 GMT -5
Actually I think Disney already hinted and possibly confirmed Boba is alive. In the battlefront trailer (or if you play as Boba in the single player mission) Boba says to the sarlac "that won't happen again".
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 16:12:35 GMT -5
That part was still more significant then some random fights though. Yeah I guess but I'm not really sure what these bounty hunters would be meant to do, I thought the movie was the rebels robbing imperials plans... Maybe the bounty hunter have to stop the rebels, or hunt them down and return the plans? I would assume so but seems kind of weird to just call Hunters right after the plans are stolen. I'm pretty sure Rouge One has to end right where ANH starts |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 16:22:01 GMT -5
Actually if you take Boba into the sarlac he will automatically fly out with like half health though....
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 14, 2015 16:30:46 GMT -5
If the prequels came first people would probably be more obsessed over Jango... who actually did something in the movies anyway. Maybe the Boba Fett movie is based on the Bounty Hunter arc? Cad Bane is rumored to be in a spin-off film (probably Rogue One, but could be this Boba film too). Actually it's arguable Boba did more in the actual movies... Boba tracked the Falcon in the film which led to the capture of Han and bait for Luke. Jango being the clone template is mentioned off screen on how that happened, he didn't actually do anything in AOTC. Rouge One?? Why would Bane be in that? Boba film is probably the next spinoff after Han however I guess Yoda is possible but I don't think anyone wants to touch on his story yet Jango atleast killed a Jedi and nearly killed Obi-Wan. Boba fired at Luke a few a times and... that's really it. Figuring out where someone is going isn't really cool or badass. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 14, 2015 16:33:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see why they'd do that. They can make a film fine with the back story he has. Hey, how about a movie where he kills Bane? I wanted to like your comment... but that last sentence  Well at least Bane can't get ruined in Rebels if that happens. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 14, 2015 16:37:28 GMT -5
I wanted to like your comment... but that last sentence Well at least Bane can't get ruined in Rebels if that happens. True, I guess that could be why they haven't ruined him yet... I mean they were pretty eager to ruin most other living TCW characters. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 17:46:28 GMT -5
Actually it's arguable Boba did more in the actual movies... Boba tracked the Falcon in the film which led to the capture of Han and bait for Luke. Jango being the clone template is mentioned off screen on how that happened, he didn't actually do anything in AOTC. Rouge One?? Why would Bane be in that? Boba film is probably the next spinoff after Han however I guess Yoda is possible but I don't think anyone wants to touch on his story yet Jango atleast killed a Jedi and nearly killed Obi-Wan. Boba fired at Luke a few a times and... that's really it. Figuring out where someone is going isn't really cool or badass. Yeah those prequel Jedi who don't know how to fight at all are so hard to kill... |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 14, 2015 17:48:50 GMT -5
Jango atleast killed a Jedi and nearly killed Obi-Wan. Boba fired at Luke a few a times and... that's really it. Figuring out where someone is going isn't really cool or badass. Yeah those prequel Jedi who don't know how to fight at all are so hard to kill... Harder to kill than a blind Han Solo I would say. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 17:53:37 GMT -5
Yeah those prequel Jedi who don't know how to fight at all are so hard to kill... Harder to kill than a blind Han Solo I would say. That's not the point... Also I doubt Jabba would have been happy if Boba executed him, he wanted him to suffer. But prequel Jedi are the weakest and most pathetic in any era of Star Wars besides a select few |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 17:54:17 GMT -5
Also it's not like that was a convincing kill... They just threw it in there just cause.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 14, 2015 18:18:12 GMT -5
Harder to kill than a blind Han Solo I would say. That's not the point... Also I doubt Jabba would have been happy if Boba executed him, he wanted him to suffer. But prequel Jedi are the weakest and most pathetic in any era of Star Wars besides a select few Well, that's the point. The Sith are a powerful but only two, the Jedi are weaker but have larger numbers. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 18:48:31 GMT -5
That's not the point... Also I doubt Jabba would have been happy if Boba executed him, he wanted him to suffer. But prequel Jedi are the weakest and most pathetic in any era of Star Wars besides a select few Well, that's the point. The Sith are a powerful but only two, the Jedi are weaker but have larger numbers. No the Jedi are weak because they have no experience actually fighting especially lightsaber fights and their training sucks. Any SWTOR Jedi knight is better then a Jedi knight in TCW. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 14, 2015 19:01:59 GMT -5
Jango atleast killed a Jedi and nearly killed Obi-Wan. Boba fired at Luke a few a times and... that's really it. Figuring out where someone is going isn't really cool or badass. Yeah those prequel Jedi who don't know how to fight at all are so hard to kill... Harder than Luke Skywalker. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 14, 2015 19:04:50 GMT -5
If you think TCW era Jedi are weaker than say, the OT Jedi, then picture Krell vs Luke and tell us who would win. Heck, Grievous could obliterate Luke easy.
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 19:26:24 GMT -5
If you think TCW era Jedi are weaker than say, the OT Jedi, then picture Krell vs Luke and tell us who would win. Heck, Grievous could obliterate Luke easy. That's a terrible comparison since there is only one who never completed his training in the movies... PT Jedi are very weak. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 19:27:51 GMT -5
But in reality Luke should be really strong now and be like the Yoda of this trilogy... I doubt we get to see Luke fight in TFA but probably in one of the later movies
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 19:30:41 GMT -5
Actually Luke is really strong... He became an above average TCW Jedi in about 3 years. It takes prequel Jedi around 10 years to get close to him.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 14, 2015 21:09:28 GMT -5
Actually Luke is really strong... He became an above average TCW Jedi in about 3 years. It takes prequel Jedi around 10 years to get close to him. If he was an above average Jedi then why is comparing him to above average Krell terrible? |
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Post by Newan on Dec 14, 2015 21:18:57 GMT -5
Actually Luke is really strong... He became an above average TCW Jedi in about 3 years. It takes prequel Jedi around 10 years to get close to him. If he was an above average Jedi then why is comparing him to above average Krell terrible? Luke wasn't even a Jedi knight nor did he have the experience as a Jedi but his skills and ability learn is pretty impressive considering he mainly taught himself and really he did it in about a year actually since I don't think he did much from ANH - ESB |
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Post by Star on Dec 19, 2015 13:37:03 GMT -5
I watched Episodes V and VI yesterday. I definitely think that Empire is the best Star Wars film. It's story, emotion, characters, and locations are all great. As for Jedi, parts of it were better than I remembered, but parts of it were a lot worse. I felt like most of the Jabba scenes were not too practical or executed very well. The entire plan for rescuing Solo wasn't the best either. The fight with Vader and Luke at the end was better than I remembered though as well as the speeder bike chase on Endor. However, the battle itself still is pretty pathetic... Still a fairly satisfying conclusion to the OT, but it definitely could've been better.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 20, 2015 10:43:58 GMT -5
I watched Episodes V and VI yesterday. I definitely think that Empire is the best Star Wars film. It's story, emotion, characters, and locations are all great. As for Jedi, parts of it were better than I remembered, but parts of it were a lot worse. I felt like most of the Jabba scenes were not too practical or executed very well. The entire plan for rescuing Solo wasn't the best either. The fight with Vader and Luke at the end was better than I remembered though as well as the speeder bike chase on Endor. However, the battle itself still is pretty pathetic... Still a fairly satisfying conclusion to the OT, but it definitely could've been better. This is pretty much where I stand on those two. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 25, 2015 14:23:44 GMT -5
I just found the best part of AOTC:
0:04 sounds like GOT
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 27, 2015 15:12:40 GMT -5
If you think TCW era Jedi are weaker than say, the OT Jedi, then picture Krell vs Luke and tell us who would win. Heck, Grievous could obliterate Luke easy. I know you posted this 12 days ago but I have to say this..... Luke could beat Krell or Grievous. Hear me out.
If we're talking about the canon versions of all three of these characters then we can conclude that Krell is absolutely featless, he may be able to mow down a few clones but defeating a skilled Jedi is another matter (remember he was also tricked by the clones and defeated so yeah not that great in the intelligence department either). We've never seen him take down another Jedi. And before you say he never had the opportunity to, that is irrelevant. If we're comparing Krell and Luke's feats then we're comparing what they have actually done, not what they could have done or might have done, what they've actually done. So I don't rule out the possibility Krell could defeat a force user but the fact is that he hasn't so when it comes to beating force users he is featless. He hasn't done anything which puts him on Luke's level. And canon Grievous is toothless (so annoying how weak he is). I think the only Jedi he has killed is Nahdar Vebb and he had trouble even fighting a padawan Ahsoka. Weak, weak weak. Not a master of anything. Now let's turn to Luke's canon feats. Luke has defeated Darth Vader, one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history. This feat alone outstrips Krell's and Grievous' by several country miles:Also I'm pretty absolutely (EDIT) sure GL has said something on lines of Vader being one of the most powerful Sith: I admit this is bit of an exaggeration on GL's part but you get the gist: Vader is pretty darn powerful and so is Luke and the Emperor knows that. Also GL tells us something else about Luke, he is strong willed, strong-willed enough to resist the lure of the darkside, that may not mean much in a fight but I'm just throwing it out there that Luke is a strong character inside and that could indirectly help him. He knows he's fighting for good. Other sourcebooks say the same about Vader's power. Like Sidious is way above above him but Vader is probably somewhere in the top 5 Sith(if we include Legends Sith, if we exclude Legends Sith he is in the top 3). Luke is a very powerful Jedi. The ROTJ novelization ( declared canon by Disney) states even the Emperor feared what he was and what he could become: Luke was an exceptionally fast learner and a powerful Jedi. Both Vader and the Emperor knew this and it shocked them. Krell and Grievous have two things going for them: speed and the fact they have half a dozen lightsabers between them. While Luke does not have the latter, we know he is speedy and agile: Also I draw evidence from another source I have mentioned which says that Luke had excellent timing: Luke bests the featless "Jedi" Krell and near-featless "warrior" Grievous any day.You may point out that Luke has only bested Vader so it can't really be used to determine how powerful he is really. Putting aside the fact Vader is one of the most powerful Sith, I'd ask who of importance have Grievous or Krell defeated. Yeah,nobody. You may point to the fact Vader wouldn't kill his son and this is true but you can tell Vader was fighting for his life when Luke went really mad. He was startled by his power and so was the Emperor. You may point to Krell and Grievous' strength but I'd say that speed, agility, force ability and lightsaber skill is what matters not raw strength. And if you still think Krell and Grievous would be able to best Luke. Just ask: Could Krell and Grievous best Vader? No, of course they couldn't: ROTJ Luke>Vader (one of the most powerful Sith remember)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Krell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grievous. And remember that Grievous gets pwned whenever he goes up against real force users. I'm sorry but people underrating OT Jedi gets me all wound up.  .  . |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 27, 2015 15:52:23 GMT -5
If you think TCW era Jedi are weaker than say, the OT Jedi, then picture Krell vs Luke and tell us who would win. Heck, Grievous could obliterate Luke easy. I know you posted this 12 days ago but I have to say this..... Luke could beat Krell and Grievous at the same time in a 2vs1 match. Easily. Anytime. Hear me out.
If we're talking about the canon versions of all three of these characters then we can conclude that Krell is absolutely featless, he may be able to mow down a few clones but defeating a skilled Jedi is another matter (remember he was also tricked by the clones and defeated so yeah not that great in the intelligence department either). We've never seen him take down another Jedi. And before you say he never had the opportunity to, that is irrelevant. If we're comparing Krell and Luke's feats then we're comparing what they have actually done, not what they could have done or might have done, what they've actually done. So I don't rule out the possibility Krell could defeat a force user but the fact is that he hasn't so when it comes to beating force users he is featless. He hasn't done anything which puts him on Luke's level. And canon Grievous is toothless (so annoying how weak he is). I think the only Jedi he has killed is Nahdar Vebb and he had trouble even fighting a padawan Ahsoka. Weak, weak weak. Not a master of anything. Now let's turn to Luke's canon feats. Luke has defeated Darth Vader, one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history. This feat alone outstrips Krell's and Grievous' by several country miles:Also I'm pretty absolutely (EDIT) sure GL has said something on lines of Vader being one of the most powerful Sith: I admit this is bit of an exaggeration on GL's part but you get the gist: Vader is pretty darn powerful and so is Luke and the Emperor knows that. Also GL tells us something else about Luke, he is strong willed, strong-willed enough to resist the lure of the darkside, that may not mean much in a fight but I'm just throwing it out there that Luke is a strong character inside and that helps during fights. Other sourcebooks say the same about Vader. Like Sidious is way above above him but Vader is probably somewhere in the top 5 (if we include Legends Sith, if we exclude Legends Sith he is in the top 3). Luke is a very powerful Jedi. The ROTJ novelization ( declared canon by Disney) states even the Emperor feared what he was and what he could become: Luke was an exceptionally fast learner and a powerful Jedi. Both Vader and the Emperor knew this and it shocked them. Krell and Grievous have two things going for them: speed and the fact they have half a dozen lightsabers between them. While Luke does not have the latter, we know he is speedy and agile: Also I draw evidence from another source I have mentioned which says that Luke had excellent timing: Luke bests the featless "Jedi" Krell and near-featless "warrior" Grievous any day.You may point out that Luke has only bested Vader so it can't really be used to determine how powerful he is really. Putting aside the fact Vader is one of the most powerful Sith, I'd ask who of importance have Grievous or Krell defeated. Yeah,nobody. You may point to the fact Vader wouldn't kill his son and this is true but you can tell Vader was fighting for his life when Luke went really mad. He was startled by his power and so was the Emperor. You may point to Krell and Grievous' strength but I'd say that speed, agility, force ability and lightsaber skill is what matters not raw strength. And if you still think Krell and Grievous would be able to best Luke. Just ask: Could Krell and Grievous best Vader? No, of course they couldn't: ROTJ Luke>Vader (one of the most powerful Sith remember)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Krell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grievous. And remember that Grievous gets pwned whenever he goes up against real force users. I'm sorry but people underrating OT Jedi gets me all wound up. . . Darth Vader is possibly the most overrated character in the entire series. All Luke had to do to defeat him was to bash his Lightsaber at him a few times until Vader decided to fall down like an idiot. Jar Jar Binks could do that. Just because you shoot Jesse James doesn't make you greater than Jesse James. Krell is much more powerful and faster than either one of them. He'd quickly overwhelm Luke just seeing how fast and agile he moved against the Clones. Luke isn't even up to Ahsoka's skill level. He'd quickly fall. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 27, 2015 16:09:12 GMT -5
Obviously a lot of this has to with how that OT duels were really slow and the choreography wasn't anywhere near what it would become. People in the films may jizz over powerful Luke apparently is, but if you sit down and watch ROTJ, you see he's actually not very powerful. If we're comparing Krell and Luke's feats then we're comparing what they have actually done, not what they could have done or might have done judging by what others said, what they've actually done. Krell has proven himself to be very skilled in the force and swordsmanship, while Luke's swordsmanship is sloppy and probably wouldn't even rival Jaime Lannister. One area we can compare Krell and Luke is how they take on opponents with blasters. Luke did eventually defeat the gunmen on the sail barge, but he needed a bit of help and his hand was shot. And let's not forget that these were random untrained thugs. Krell quickly and effectively mowed through the professional soldiers of the 501st. And these clones would later massacre the Jedi. Krell's attacks were much more refined and he was much more deadly than Luke. I don't think Luke would have stood a chance. Maybe he had potential that the Emperor sensed, but he nevertheless paled in comparison to the Jedi Master at the time.
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 27, 2015 16:19:59 GMT -5
Darth Vader is possibly the most overrated character in the entire series. All Luke had to do to defeat him was to bash his Lightsaber at him a few times until Vader decided to fall down like an idiot. Jar Jar Binks could do that. Just because you shoot Jesse James doesn't make you greater than Jesse James. Krell is much more powerful and faster than either one of them. He'd quickly overwhelm Luke just seeing how fast and agile he moved against the Clones. Luke isn't even up to Ahsoka's skill level. He'd quickly fall. Okay. Let's address some of these points. "Darth Vader is possibly the most overrated character in the entire series"
By saying this you're suggesting that Vader is rated as too powerful where in actuality I'm just stating the facts. He is one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever. GL said so and so does any other reputable sourcebook/book. "All Luke had to do to defeat him was to bash his Lightsaber at him a few times until Vader decided to fall down like an idiot."
This is completely wrong. What really happened in the duel is laid bare in the novels. Luke had a great reservoir of power and under the guidance of Jedi he was slowly unlocking that. His short descent in the darkside in ROTJ however basically broke the floodgates and let all that power and strength pour out. And you make out that it was just raw strength that won Luke the battle. We know this not to be true, he had a very good proficiency in the lightsaber form he was using and even mirrored some of Vader's skills in combat. Vader noted his reflexes which paired with his power impressed him and the Emperor watched on (and I quote the novels) in "fear". "Jar Jar Binks could do that"
No evidence that Jar Jar has that level of physical strength "Krell is much more powerful"
May I request evidence of Krell beating a force user that is anywhere near Luke's level? Yeah exactly he hasn't. We're judging their power on what they have actually done remember so you can't say Krell is powerful without backing it up with some sort of evidence. And TCW shows him only beating clones. We cannot say for sure he could replicate that against a guy who is Jedi Master level. That's a whole different situation. "He'd quickly overwhelm Luke just seeing how fast and agile he moved against the Clones"
Again, defeating clones is a whole different thing from defeating a force-user. Clones don't have the enhanced senses and power force sensitives have and in addition, he was in the end outsmarted and defeated by these clones and, if I remember correctly, when he was discovered to be a traitor he promptly fled the base and ran into the forest/jungle place. Then they went out into the jungle to find him and he was duped into standing on the vines of a monster, violently shook around and thrown on the ground. In fact I wonder where his agility speed and senses were when that happened. "Luke isn't even up to Ahsoka's skill level. He'd quickly fall."Yeah no, talk to me again when Ahsoka defeats one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history. The only people that I can remember she has defeated are grunt-level force users and battle droids. Maybe Rebels will flesh her out a little more and bring her up to Obi-Wan level but at the moment she hasn't done anything on the scale of Luke. She couldn't even beat Barriss disguised as Ventress in S5 and was getting beat back in Season 2 by zombie Barriss. But anyway, Ahsoka's power relative to Luke's is not relevant because we're talking about Luke vs Krell/Grievous here. |
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