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Post by Pinda on Jan 17, 2016 19:08:25 GMT -5
I find that hard to believe. In every comment section of videos related to Star Wars I see people hating on Rebels. And even those that like it say they preferred TCW. A huge majority dislikes it, but Disney only produces crappy shows and Rebels gets views simply because it has "Star Wars" in the title, so for them it's fine. Honestly, I don't see how any sane person can prefer this over TCW. SWTOR forums tons of people hate TCW. However most of them are over 20 so it's not like they enjoy the prequels that much. I like the start of Rebels more then how TCW started tbh. TCW got good after season 3 mid term. I find it hard to believe that people aged over 20 would enjoy Rebels more though. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2016 19:13:04 GMT -5
SWTOR forums tons of people hate TCW. However most of them are over 20 so it's not like they enjoy the prequels that much. I like the start of Rebels more then how TCW started tbh. TCW got good after season 3 mid term. I find it hard to believe that people aged over 20 would enjoy Rebels more though. How is that hard to believe? SWTOR is majority adults. They grew up and like the originals more... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 17, 2016 19:14:43 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that people aged over 20 would enjoy Rebels more though. How is that hard to believe? SWTOR is majority adults. They grew up and like the originals more... Yes, but Rebels is still extremely childish. And if they only like Rebels because they liked the originals then they are clearly just blinded by nostalgia. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2016 19:20:10 GMT -5
How is that hard to believe? SWTOR is majority adults. They grew up and like the originals more... Yes, but Rebels is still extremely childish. And if they only like Rebels because they liked the originals then they are clearly just blinded by nostalgia. They like the characters and time it takes place... Most of these guys are huge EU and OT fans and the EU was always better in the Empire era then Clone Wars |
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2016 19:22:30 GMT -5
And TCW has a pretty childish main plot as well... Clones and Droids isn't very serious and there's really nothing at stake
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Post by Pinda on Jan 17, 2016 19:29:42 GMT -5
Yes, but Rebels is still extremely childish. And if they only like Rebels because they liked the originals then they are clearly just blinded by nostalgia. They like the characters and time it takes place... Most of these guys are huge EU and OT fans and the EU was always better in the Empire era then Clone Wars But the characters are new, and annoying (well, Ezra and Zeb at least). |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 17, 2016 19:31:33 GMT -5
And TCW has a pretty childish main plot as well... Clones and Droids isn't very serious and there's really nothing at stake I think TCW tried to explain that the clones actually were a serious thing and their lives were worth something. Also, a lot of the battles involved other armies as well. The only thing childish about TCW were the Battle droids, but only really in the first season. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2016 19:33:17 GMT -5
And TCW has a pretty childish main plot as well... Clones and Droids isn't very serious and there's really nothing at stake I think TCW tried to explain that the clones actually were a serious thing and their lives were worth something. Also, a lot of the battles involved other armies as well. The only thing childish about TCW were the Battle droids, but only really in the first season. But still there is no real stake or purpose. Who cares if clones die really? It's what they're meant to do |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 18, 2016 9:06:04 GMT -5
I think TCW tried to explain that the clones actually were a serious thing and their lives were worth something. Also, a lot of the battles involved other armies as well. The only thing childish about TCW were the Battle droids, but only really in the first season. But still there is no real stake or purpose. Who cares if clones die really? It's what they're meant to do Well that might've been true for the movies but after they started expanding on clones' characters I think people cared I actually don't think Rebels has "stakes" like yeah Stormtroopers being real people rather than droids might have more emotion but honestly they might as well be droids because we don't see any character from them or even what they look like. Also none of them die they're always moving after they get attacked. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2016 9:10:56 GMT -5
I think TCW tried to explain that the clones actually were a serious thing and their lives were worth something. Also, a lot of the battles involved other armies as well. The only thing childish about TCW were the Battle droids, but only really in the first season. But still there is no real stake or purpose. Who cares if clones die really? It's what they're meant to do I think plenty of people cared about the deaths of Fives, Waxer and 99 to just name a few. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2016 9:54:14 GMT -5
But still there is no real stake or purpose. Who cares if clones die really? It's what they're meant to do Well that might've been true for the movies but after they started expanding on clones' characters I think people cared I actually don't think Rebels has "stakes" like yeah Stormtroopers being real people rather than droids might have more emotion but honestly they might as well be droids because we don't see any character from them or even what they look like. Also none of them die they're always moving after they get attacked. Well I meant more on the war itself as well... The average person probably isn't going to be affected by the Republics war vs the Sepratists. However with the Empire pretty much everyone who is not human is going to have it pretty rough from the imperial military. The Republic is just a democracy and the Confederacy is a lesser form of democracy. The Empire is a fascist autocracy. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Jan 18, 2016 10:14:36 GMT -5
And TCW has a pretty childish main plot as well... Clones and Droids isn't very serious and there's really nothing at stake Except for an entire galaxy  |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Jan 18, 2016 10:18:19 GMT -5
I wonder who those Jedi like lightsaber wielders are. More remaining Jedi? A Force cult? Inquisitors in training? Inquisitors turned traitors? Those are the Temple Guards  I doubt they still are. And i also doubt they are the same from TCW. Order 66 happened and stuff. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Jan 18, 2016 10:20:37 GMT -5
SWTOR forums tons of people hate TCW. However most of them are over 20 so it's not like they enjoy the prequels that much. I like the start of Rebels more then how TCW started tbh. TCW got good after season 3 mid term. I find it hard to believe that people aged over 20 would enjoy Rebels more though. *21 year old guy raises hand* I like Rebels as much as i like TCW |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Jan 18, 2016 10:32:55 GMT -5
Those are the Temple Guards I doubt they still are. And i also doubt they are the same from TCW. Order 66 happened and stuff. They probably deserted during Order 66 and escaped. And now they're a cult. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2016 10:52:23 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that people aged over 20 would enjoy Rebels more though. *21 year old guy raises hand* I like Rebels as much as i like TCW Well, then my point stands, since you enjoy it as much, not more. Either way, there will be exceptions but I think it is generally agreed upon that Rebels is more childish. The target audience is 6-12 year olds, while TCW's was 12-18 year olds. |
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Post by Ax_Rex on Jan 18, 2016 10:53:26 GMT -5
Reading these comments have restored my faith in humanity that I'm not the only one who thinks rebels currently sucks!(I'm still optimistic for the future). Don't mean to troll, but seriously! The animation looks dreadful! Like the scene when Ezra is on one of those floating animals... - it looks like a baby hippo with teeth!(Not to mention poor Yoda and Anakin! #Yikes) Anyways, I had no clue that guy was Maul, totally thought it was Darth Bane or something.... Its kinda is getting too much with Maul now, the hype thing of him returning is kinda dead now. Looking forward to Ahsoka vs Vader tho! People need to stop comparing TCW animation to Rebels... TCW animation was only so good because George Lucas personally funded it out of the billions of dollars he has. Go find me an active animated show running right now that has better animation then Rebels, you can't because it does not exist. TCW animation is great and all but that is not the standard for animated shows, you can't possibly make a profit off of the show with that quality. People here where spoiled by TCW animation that now they will just see everything else as being bad when in reality in Rebels case it is not bad animation. Overall TCW animation can not be used as comparison for any means as it is a special case. I disagree. The quality of the animation is quite good, but the way everything is animated is terrible. While clone wars was too blocky, rebels is, I dunno, almost too smooth. I find its too clean and less realistic than it can actually be. It seems they put more effort into making everything detailed, but the result is too bleak and cartoonish... Like I said about Yoda, Anakin, and the floating hippo, they all look terrible, but I meant because of their character models. Its weird, like rebels is very detailed in a way, even more so than clone wars, but looks a lot more cartoonish.... Its too bad they couldn't make them a medium between the blocky cw and the overly smooth rebels....Like the show and the characters could look great if they didn't go for such a dumbed down version of everything... *cough* Hondo *cough* |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Jan 18, 2016 11:06:23 GMT -5
*21 year old guy raises hand* I like Rebels as much as i like TCW Well, then my point stands, since you enjoy it as much, not more. Either way, there will be exceptions but I think it is generally agreed upon that Rebels is more childish. The target audience is 6-12 year olds, while TCW's was 12-18 year olds. It may have some limitations in what it can show compared to TCW, but i would never call Rebels childish in the slighest. It's true Star Wars at heart that can be enjoyed by all ages. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2016 14:49:04 GMT -5
People need to stop comparing TCW animation to Rebels... TCW animation was only so good because George Lucas personally funded it out of the billions of dollars he has. Go find me an active animated show running right now that has better animation then Rebels, you can't because it does not exist. TCW animation is great and all but that is not the standard for animated shows, you can't possibly make a profit off of the show with that quality. People here where spoiled by TCW animation that now they will just see everything else as being bad when in reality in Rebels case it is not bad animation. Overall TCW animation can not be used as comparison for any means as it is a special case. I disagree. The quality of the animation is quite good, but the way everything is animated is terrible. While clone wars was too blocky, rebels is, I dunno, almost too smooth. I find its too clean and less realistic than it can actually be. It seems they put more effort into making everything detailed, but the result is too bleak and cartoonish... Like I said about Yoda, Anakin, and the floating hippo, they all look terrible, but I meant because of their character models. Its weird, like rebels is very detailed in a way, even more so than clone wars, but looks a lot more cartoonish.... Its too bad they couldn't make them a medium between the blocky cw and the overly smooth rebels....Like the show and the characters could look great if they didn't go for such a dumbed down version of everything... *cough* Hondo *cough* Some things are really good though... Like the Mustafar animation was pretty awesome and the explosions stand out the most I think. They seem to really like making the explosions good lol. I think the animation will get at least a bit better. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 18, 2016 15:36:20 GMT -5
I think another reason why people don't like Rebels is that, unlike TCW, there's no episode arcs that tell a sweeping, epic tale. Rebels follows a more episodic structure. It's connected, sure, but each story seems self contained and loses potential thanks to how little time it gets. This can also cause more uninteresting situations as well. I'd like Rebels to go the route of the former, so really promising stories can get a chance to breath easy and not zip by.
As for animation problems, I can agree with Pinda that character models can look off, out of place, or just plain weird (although TCW is also guilty of this in my opinion). However I still believe that on a technical level, it's one solid program.
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2016 15:45:40 GMT -5
I think another reason why people don't like Rebels is that, unlike TCW, there's no episode arcs that tell a sweeping, epic tale. Rebels follows a more episodic structure. It's connected, sure, but each story seems self contained and loses potential thanks to how little time it gets. This can also cause more uninteresting situations as well. I'd like Rebels to go the route of the former, so really promising stories can get a chance to breath easy and not zip by. As for animation problems, I can agree with Pinda that character models can look off, out of place, or just plain weird (although TCW is also guilty of this in my opinion). However I still believe that on a technical level, it's one solid program. I kind of like this format though because it can be fun to stick with the same characters and watch them grow rather then jumping around a lot. Also there where a lot of bad/ boring arcs in TCW that while watching for the first time you just want it to be over with... Pretty much 2/3 of season 5 was like that and so was season 3 first half. I remember always going on SW.com each week before the next episode (I did this since early season 1) see the preview and what the next episode would be about and with TCW you could tell right away which episodes would be boring and which ones would be good most of the time. I find Rebels more unpredictable actually. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 18, 2016 15:50:44 GMT -5
I think another reason why people don't like Rebels is that, unlike TCW, there's no episode arcs that tell a sweeping, epic tale. Rebels follows a more episodic structure. It's connected, sure, but each story seems self contained and loses potential thanks to how little time it gets. This can also cause more uninteresting situations as well. I'd like Rebels to go the route of the former, so really promising stories can get a chance to breath easy and not zip by. As for animation problems, I can agree with Pinda that character models can look off, out of place, or just plain weird (although TCW is also guilty of this in my opinion). However I still believe that on a technical level, it's one solid program. I kind of like this format though because it can be fun to stick with the same characters and watch them grow rather then jumping around a lot. Also there where a lot of bad/ boring arcs in TCW that while watching for the first time you just want it to be over with... Pretty much 2/3 of season 5 was like that and so was season 3 first half. I remember always going on SW.com each week before the next episode (I did this since early season 1) see the preview and what the next episode would be about and with TCW you could tell right away which episodes would be boring and which ones would be good most of the time. I find Rebels more unpredictable actually. Yeah, I should've also pointed out the flaw of having arcs, means you get a lot of stories overstaying their welcome at times  |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2016 15:52:32 GMT -5
I kind of like this format though because it can be fun to stick with the same characters and watch them grow rather then jumping around a lot. Also there where a lot of bad/ boring arcs in TCW that while watching for the first time you just want it to be over with... Pretty much 2/3 of season 5 was like that and so was season 3 first half. I remember always going on SW.com each week before the next episode (I did this since early season 1) see the preview and what the next episode would be about and with TCW you could tell right away which episodes would be boring and which ones would be good most of the time. I find Rebels more unpredictable actually. Yeah, I should've also pointed out the flaw of having arcs, means you get a lot of stories overstaying their welcome at times Yeah making every arc 4 episodes was a pretty big flaw |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2016 20:24:19 GMT -5
Interesting thought here but does anybody actually know who Darth Maul is now? It's obvious Kanan, Ezra and the Rebellion won't know but come to think of it I'm pretty sure Ahsoka doesn't know either. I don't think the Jedi made his revival very public and likely kept it within the council plus Anakin since we see him at the end of Revival. This could lead to a very interesting plot line with Maul if nobody knows who he really is... So it's just Vader and he's never seen him in person and obviously Sidious is the one that actually knows
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2016 20:35:37 GMT -5
Interesting thought here but does anybody actually know who Darth Maul is now? It's obvious Kanan, Ezra and the Rebellion won't know but come to think of it I'm pretty sure Ahsoka doesn't know either. I don't think the Jedi made his revival very public and likely kept it within the council plus Anakin since we see him at the end of Revival. This could lead to a very interesting plot line with Maul if nobody knows who he really is... So it's just Vader and he's never seen him in person and obviously Sidious is the one that actually knows I am sure Ahsoka knows. Anakin or Obi-wan would probably have mentioned him at some point. Still, she might not exactly know what he looks like. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 18, 2016 20:49:17 GMT -5
Interesting thought here but does anybody actually know who Darth Maul is now? It's obvious Kanan, Ezra and the Rebellion won't know but come to think of it I'm pretty sure Ahsoka doesn't know either. I don't think the Jedi made his revival very public and likely kept it within the council plus Anakin since we see him at the end of Revival. This could lead to a very interesting plot line with Maul if nobody knows who he really is... So it's just Vader and he's never seen him in person and obviously Sidious is the one that actually knows I am sure Ahsoka knows. Anakin or Obi-wan would probably have mentioned him at some point. Still, she might not exactly know what he looks like. That was a long time ago though and it was likely just a random comment... She won't know anything about him. I don't think she's going to be like oh it's Darth Maul... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 18, 2016 20:52:37 GMT -5
I am sure Ahsoka knows. Anakin or Obi-wan would probably have mentioned him at some point. Still, she might not exactly know what he looks like. That was a long time ago though and it was likely just a random comment... She won't know anything about him. I don't think she's going to be like oh it's Darth Maul... I am fairly certain she knows Maul's name and very likeoy she also knows he is a Zabrak, but I don't think she would recognize him. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 18, 2016 23:38:02 GMT -5
I bet most of the jedi during TCW knew who Maul was. Well, maybe not most, but he was the first sith to be publicly discovered in a thousand years. I bet Ahsoka knew what he looked like too since they have holocrons/ recordings with pictures of people.
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Post by Newan on Jan 20, 2016 22:37:58 GMT -5
Canada Disney XD is caught up and I can finally watch the episodes when they actually premiere  This episode was good, nothing spectacular but good. A nice start to the second half of the season I'd say. Leia was good, I think the voice is actually good as well, was a bit iffy in the trailer but it grows on you and the lines she has are great, reminds you of ANH Leia. I liked the little throwback to ANH at the end as well with the Stun. Whenever Ryder talks I can only imagine Savage saying the lines lol, at times he sounds very similar to Savage. There's not too much to say about the episode, I'm glad they made the AT-AT's really strong and didn't get blown up by a few rockets. Also when Kanan cuts the Legs on the AT-AT I noticed they threw in a little bit of Clone Wars music or something very similar. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 20, 2016 23:30:32 GMT -5
Definitely better than the last episode. Leia was really good, and the voice does indeed grow on you. My only problem with her (and you could see this in the first preview they released with her) was that her eyes looked sort of derpy at times... I think they might have been made too far apart. Other than that, she was great. I liked how they had to make it look like she wasn't associated with the rebels (although they kept constantly reminding us that and it got a bit repetitive after a while).
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