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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 12:37:23 GMT -5
Bane is an unique character. Someone casual fans will remember, unlike Fives. Fives needs to be distinguished from others by having a five on his head. And the final arc he appears in shows he wasn't even in control of his own mind. Bane on the other hand has some unique characteristics. And he's extremely intelligent and skilled. He's probably the most cunning and successful villain in the series (except for Sidious, obviously). And unlike other villains he isn't totally evil. He just seems like someone with cool gadgets that's pretty much it. Boba / Jango of TCW. Fives actually made decisions for himself in Umbara and Order 66 arc. Bane was pretty much always someone's bitch. Also Bane didnt have any real character Devoplment. Villains usually have less character development than heroes. But Bane had some and would have gotten much more character development in S6... if it hadn't been for Disney. But in there was definitely lots of character development for Bane in the Deception arc. And he's nothing like Jango or Boba. Those two never did anything impressive. The first thing Bane did was walk right into the heart of the Republic, take some of the Republic's most important people hostage with an excellent plan and outsmart Palpatine. Boba was just a delivery boy in the movies. And if someone is "someone's bitch" it's Fives. He's obviously the Republic's "bitch" or even Palpatine's "bitch". Everything Bane does is for his own profit. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 24, 2014 12:51:50 GMT -5
Bane seems cool but he's actually kinda boring and did nothing the entire show. Fives kinda gets an unfair advantage since he got his whole story told before the Disney bull sh*t. But still Fives is one of the best developed characters of the show and he died trying to defeat the Emperor and save the galaxy. Bane is an unique character. Someone casual fans will remember, unlike Fives. Fives needs to be distinguished from others by having a five on his head. And the final arc he appears in shows he wasn't even in control of his own mind. Bane on the other hand has some unique characteristics. And he's extremely intelligent and skilled. He's probably the most cunning and successful villain in the series (except for Sidious, obviously). And unlike other villains he isn't totally evil. You're right. Fives does deserve more recognition. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 12:52:36 GMT -5
He just seems like someone with cool gadgets that's pretty much it. Boba / Jango of TCW. Fives actually made decisions for himself in Umbara and Order 66 arc. Bane was pretty much always someone's bitch. Also Bane didnt have any real character Devoplment. Villains usually have less character development than heroes. But Bane had some and would have gotten much more character development in S6... if it hadn't been for Disney. But in there was definitely lots of character development for Bane in the Deception arc. And he's nothing like Jango or Boba. Those two never did anything impressive. The first thing Bane did was walk right into the heart of the Republic, take some of the Republic's most important people hostage with an excellent plan and outsmart Palpatine. Boba was just a delivery boy in the movies. And if someone is "someone's bitch" it's Fives. He's obviously the Republic's "bitch" or even Palpatine's "bitch". Everything Bane does is for his own profit. Everything Bane does is for someone else... Fives had a mind of his own. And that argument can't really be used since Boba and Jango didnt have hours of content about them. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 24, 2014 12:53:27 GMT -5
He just seems like someone with cool gadgets that's pretty much it. Boba / Jango of TCW. Fives actually made decisions for himself in Umbara and Order 66 arc. Bane was pretty much always someone's bitch. Also Bane didnt have any real character Devoplment. Villains usually have less character development than heroes. But Bane had some and would have gotten much more character development in S6... if it hadn't been for Disney. But in there was definitely lots of character development for Bane in the Deception arc. And he's nothing like Jango or Boba. Those two never did anything impressive. The first thing Bane did was walk right into the heart of the Republic, take some of the Republic's most important people hostage with an excellent plan and outsmart Palpatine. Boba was just a delivery boy in the movies. And if someone is "someone's bitch" it's Fives. He's obviously the Republic's "bitch" or even Palpatine's "bitch". Everything Bane does is for his own profit. The whole point of Fives' character is that he isn't gonna be someone's bitch. He rebelled against Krell and then the Republic. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 12:55:10 GMT -5
Oh btw Banes job success rate is 1/3. He only successful arc was the hostage crisis which tied in season 3. He ultimately failed the other 2 in the end.
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 12:56:45 GMT -5
Villains usually have less character development than heroes. But Bane had some and would have gotten much more character development in S6... if it hadn't been for Disney. But in there was definitely lots of character development for Bane in the Deception arc. And he's nothing like Jango or Boba. Those two never did anything impressive. The first thing Bane did was walk right into the heart of the Republic, take some of the Republic's most important people hostage with an excellent plan and outsmart Palpatine. Boba was just a delivery boy in the movies. And if someone is "someone's bitch" it's Fives. He's obviously the Republic's "bitch" or even Palpatine's "bitch". Everything Bane does is for his own profit. The whole point of Fives' character is that he isn't gonna be someone's bitch. He rebelled against Krell and then the Republic. Only an idiot wouldn't have rebelled against Krell. And he didn't really rebel against the Republic. The republic controlled his mind and after he thought he had freed himself from that he became Palpatine's pawn. I'm not saying he was necessarily "someone's bitch" but definitely more than Bane. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 12:58:20 GMT -5
Villains usually have less character development than heroes. But Bane had some and would have gotten much more character development in S6... if it hadn't been for Disney. But in there was definitely lots of character development for Bane in the Deception arc. And he's nothing like Jango or Boba. Those two never did anything impressive. The first thing Bane did was walk right into the heart of the Republic, take some of the Republic's most important people hostage with an excellent plan and outsmart Palpatine. Boba was just a delivery boy in the movies. And if someone is "someone's bitch" it's Fives. He's obviously the Republic's "bitch" or even Palpatine's "bitch". Everything Bane does is for his own profit. Everything Bane does is for someone else... Fives had a mind of his own. And that argument can't really be used since Boba and Jango didnt have hours of content about them. Everything Bane does is for himself. People hire him to do stuff, but in the end he has his own goals and motives. He's loyal to no one. And you compared Bane to Jango and Boba first... so your argument couldn't be used then either. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:00:56 GMT -5
Oh btw Banes job success rate is 1/3. He only successful arc was the hostage crisis which tied in season 3. He ultimately failed the other 2 in the end. I'd say he was semi-successful in the Holocron arc. Sidious messed it up with his bad hiding place for these children and his horrible security. And he succeeded at kidnapping the chancellor... but his employer just didn't show up, which ruined it for him. And he completed his first job in that arc successfully (freeing Eval). I'd say his chances of success were much higher than most villain's. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:06:36 GMT -5
Everything Bane does is for someone else... Fives had a mind of his own. And that argument can't really be used since Boba and Jango didnt have hours of content about them. Everything Bane does is for himself. People hire him to do stuff, but in the end he has his own goals and motives. He's loyal to no one. And you compared Bane to Jango and Boba first... so your argument couldn't be used then either. No you said Boba and Jango didnt do cool stuff but that's because they where not the main focus of the movies. I said Bane is pretty much TCW response/'equivalent to Boba/Jango. I don't remember ever seeing an episode where Bane is dining something for himself truly... |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:07:44 GMT -5
Oh btw Banes job success rate is 1/3. He only successful arc was the hostage crisis which tied in season 3. He ultimately failed the other 2 in the end. I'd say he was semi-successful in the Holocron arc. Sidious messed it up with his bad hiding place for these children and his horrible security. And he succeeded at kidnapping the chancellor... but his employer just didn't show up, which ruined it for him. And he completed his first job in that arc successfully (freeing Eval). I'd say his chances of success were much higher than most villain's. He got captured in both those arcs. If the end doesn't pay out then the previous happenings don't really mater all that much. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:08:04 GMT -5
Everything Bane does is for himself. People hire him to do stuff, but in the end he has his own goals and motives. He's loyal to no one. And you compared Bane to Jango and Boba first... so your argument couldn't be used then either. No you said Boba and Jango didnt do cool stuff but that's because they where not the main focus of the movies. I said Bane is pretty much TCW response/'equivalent to Boba/Jango. I don't remember ever seeing an episode where Bane is dining something for himself truly... They're bounty hunters and have some gadgets. That's all they have in common. And everything Bane does is for himself. He's not stealing holocrons and freeing hutts because he's told to do it, he's doing it for money and reputation. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:09:33 GMT -5
I'd say he was semi-successful in the Holocron arc. Sidious messed it up with his bad hiding place for these children and his horrible security. And he succeeded at kidnapping the chancellor... but his employer just didn't show up, which ruined it for him. And he completed his first job in that arc successfully (freeing Eval). I'd say his chances of success were much higher than most villain's. He got captured in both those arcs. If the end doesn't pay out then the previous happenings don't really mater all that much. He escaped every time he got captured. So it doesn't really matter that he got captured. Regardless, he was far more successful than Grievous, Ventress or Dooku. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:11:44 GMT -5
No you said Boba and Jango didnt do cool stuff but that's because they where not the main focus of the movies. I said Bane is pretty much TCW response/'equivalent to Boba/Jango. I don't remember ever seeing an episode where Bane is dining something for himself truly... They're bounty hunters and have some gadgets. That's all they have in common. And everything Bane does is for himself. He's not stealing holocrons and freeing hutts because he's told to do it, he's doing it for money and reputation. They made Bane cause all the trilogies have a cool Bounty Hunter. If there was no Jango or Boba there would most likely be no Bane. Yes he works for other people of very high power he never has an arc just about him where he's doing something not on someone else's will all the time. He probably would be working for Boba in the next arc anyways since he's a solo hunter. No way does Boba and his gang just let him take over when they outnumber him. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:14:21 GMT -5
He got captured in both those arcs. If the end doesn't pay out then the previous happenings don't really mater all that much. He escaped every time he got captured. So it doesn't really matter that he got captured. Regardless, he was far more successful than Grievous, Ventress or Dooku. Not Dooku since he pretty much is the confederacy without him there wiouldnt be much. And they always made the bad guys lose which was a problem with this show. But Bane isn't really a villain more of a neutral party. I don't get why Smugglers and Bounty hunters are always considered good/ evil they take jobs where they can. |
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Post by bane on Jun 24, 2014 13:15:03 GMT -5
Bane is an unique character. Someone casual fans will remember, unlike Fives. Fives needs to be distinguished from others by having a five on his head. And the final arc he appears in shows he wasn't even in control of his own mind. Bane on the other hand has some unique characteristics. And he's extremely intelligent and skilled. He's probably the most cunning and successful villain in the series (except for Sidious, obviously). And unlike other villains he isn't totally evil. He just seems like someone with cool gadgets that's pretty much it. Boba / Jango of TCW. Fives actually made decisions for himself in Umbara and Order 66 arc. Bane was pretty much always someone's bitch. Also Bane didnt have any real character Devoplment. Yeah you're always someone's bitch if you're a bounty hunter... |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jun 24, 2014 13:17:37 GMT -5
He just seems like someone with cool gadgets that's pretty much it. Boba / Jango of TCW. Fives actually made decisions for himself in Umbara and Order 66 arc. Bane was pretty much always someone's bitch. Also Bane didnt have any real character Devoplment. Yeah you're always someone's bitch if you're a bounty hunter... They are not 'bitches' of anyone. They only accept contracts from the highest bidder & have no particular affiliation. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:18:59 GMT -5
He escaped every time he got captured. So it doesn't really matter that he got captured. Regardless, he was far more successful than Grievous, Ventress or Dooku. Not Dooku since he pretty much is the confederacy without him there wiouldnt be much. And they always made the bad guys lose which was a problem with this show. But Bane isn't really a villain more of a neutral party. I don't get why Smugglers and Bounty hunters are always considered good/ evil they take jobs where they can. Well, Dooku barely ever succeeded in the arcs he appeared in. But Sidious and Maul were very successful villains, they didn't always lose. The bonus content and final arcs of S5 were pretty much all about villains being victorious. And bounty hunters are always considered evil. Sugi and Embo (until the bonus content) were pretty much good guys. But people like Bane, that always oppose the good guys are considered villains from a storytelling perspective. They may not be truly evil in reality, but they are villains. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:19:25 GMT -5
They're bounty hunters and have some gadgets. That's all they have in common. And everything Bane does is for himself. He's not stealing holocrons and freeing hutts because he's told to do it, he's doing it for money and reputation. They made Bane cause all the trilogies have a cool Bounty Hunter. If there was no Jango or Boba there would most likely be no Bane. Yes he works for other people of very high power he never has an arc just about him where he's doing something not on someone else's will all the time. He probably would be working for Boba in the next arc anyways since he's a solo hunter. No way does Boba and his gang just let him take over when they outnumber him. He's a bounty hunter, what should he do other than bounty hunting? The Bounty hunter arc for S6 would probably have focused on him a lot more though, and it probably wouldn't have been about his jobs. And I doubt he would have worked for Boba. Bane is still the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, he might team-up with Boba... but I don't think he'd work for him. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:19:47 GMT -5
He just seems like someone with cool gadgets that's pretty much it. Boba / Jango of TCW. Fives actually made decisions for himself in Umbara and Order 66 arc. Bane was pretty much always someone's bitch. Also Bane didnt have any real character Devoplment. Yeah you're always someone's bitch if you're a bounty hunter... Most bounty hunters no; Boba did cool shit and stuff in the EU it wasn't all about jobs for Vader and stuff but that's just now Bane comes across to me in the 10 episodes he was in. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:21:14 GMT -5
Yeah you're always someone's bitch if you're a bounty hunter... Most bounty hunters no; Boba did cool Potato Rules and stuff in the EU it wasn't all about jobs for Vader and stuff but that's just now Bane comes across to me in the 10 episodes he was in. EU is non-canon now. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:22:03 GMT -5
They made Bane cause all the trilogies have a cool Bounty Hunter. If there was no Jango or Boba there would most likely be no Bane. Yes he works for other people of very high power he never has an arc just about him where he's doing something not on someone else's will all the time. He probably would be working for Boba in the next arc anyways since he's a solo hunter. No way does Boba and his gang just let him take over when they outnumber him. He's a bounty hunter, what should he do other than bounty hunting? The Bounty hunter arc for S6 would probably have focused on him a lot more though, and it probably wouldn't have been about his jobs. And I doubt he would have worked for Boba. Bane is still the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, he might team-up with Boba... but I don't think he'd work for him. Which if the rumors you heard where true he would also die  but I think the next arc would have been at least really cool for him and more personal. Doubt his death would be super sad like Fives. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jun 24, 2014 13:23:14 GMT -5
Most bounty hunters no; Boba did cool Potato Rules and stuff in the EU it wasn't all about jobs for Vader and stuff but that's just now Bane comes across to me in the 10 episodes he was in. EU is non-canon now. Only post-episode 6 is fully non canon actually. The rest is just lower grade canon than it used to be |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:23:22 GMT -5
Most bounty hunters no; Boba did cool Potato Rules and stuff in the EU it wasn't all about jobs for Vader and stuff but that's just now Bane comes across to me in the 10 episodes he was in. EU is non-canon now. Wait weren't you the one saying you didn't consider it canon forever? Don't use that argument it's only considered non canon when the majority of people actually give into Disney saying its non canon you're not going to just tell an entire fan base overnight that everything is non canon and have people accept it. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:23:46 GMT -5
He's a bounty hunter, what should he do other than bounty hunting? The Bounty hunter arc for S6 would probably have focused on him a lot more though, and it probably wouldn't have been about his jobs. And I doubt he would have worked for Boba. Bane is still the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, he might team-up with Boba... but I don't think he'd work for him. Which if the rumors you heard where true he would also die but I think the next arc would have been at least really cool for him and more personal. Doubt his death would be super sad like Fives. Well, the death of villains aren't usually meant to be sad... but his death wasn't even certain. They claimed to have "great plans" for Bane... so I doubt it was the end of his story. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 24, 2014 13:24:55 GMT -5
Only post-episode 6 is fully non canon actually. The rest is just lower grade canon than it used to be Yeah that's what I heard as well things can be over written but post ROTJ is "considered" legend stories now everything else is on a lower scale but no thrown out the door. Most of the stuff past ROTJ is a mess though. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:26:51 GMT -5
Wait weren't you the one saying you didn't consider it canon forever? Don't use that argument it's only considered non canon when the majority of people actually give into Disney saying its non canon you're not going to just tell an entire fan base overnight that everything is non canon and have people accept it. Disney said it's non-canon. Lucas said it's non-canon. I say it's non-canon. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:27:44 GMT -5
Only post-episode 6 is fully non canon actually. The rest is just lower grade canon than it used to be From what I've heard they "reset" the expanded universe. Declaring everything released before Disney took over except TCW and the movies non-canon. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jun 24, 2014 13:29:29 GMT -5
Only post-episode 6 is fully non canon actually. The rest is just lower grade canon than it used to be From what I've heard they "reset" the expanded universe. Declaring everything released before Disney took over except TCW and the movies non-canon. No, they made post-episode 6 EU non canon and put the rest of the EU on one side ready to be used again whenever it needs to be . If they reset the EU like you said, TOR and stories from a whole bunch of other games would be gone which would be stupid for Disney to do. They didn't get rid of the whole EU because the fanbase would be very angry, they are trying to keep the fanbase content |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 24, 2014 13:34:08 GMT -5
From what I've heard they "reset" the expanded universe. Declaring everything released before Disney took over except TCW and the movies non-canon. No, they made post-episode 6 EU non canon and put the rest of the EU on one side ready to be used again whenever it needs to be . If they reset the EU like you said, TOR and stories from a whole bunch of other games would be gone which would be stupid for Disney to do. They didn't get rid of the whole EU because the fanbase would be very angry, they are trying to keep the fanbase content They cancelled TCW, 1313, closed LucasArt and released some crappy apps and games nobody likes. I'd say, they're intentionally trying to upset the fanbase. But I looked it up and all of the previous EU stories are now part of another canon called "Star Wars Legends". So they did become non-canon. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jun 24, 2014 13:36:04 GMT -5
No, they made post-episode 6 EU non canon and put the rest of the EU on one side ready to be used again whenever it needs to be . If they reset the EU like you said, TOR and stories from a whole bunch of other games would be gone which would be stupid for Disney to do. They didn't get rid of the whole EU because the fanbase would be very angry, they are trying to keep the fanbase content They cancelled TCW, 1313, closed LucasArt and released some crappy apps and games nobody likes. I'd say, they're intentionally trying to upset the fanbase. But I looked it up and all of the previous EU stories are now part of another canon called "Star Wars Legends". So they did become non-canon. From the point of view of a anti-EUer maybe, but in reality they are still canon but at a much lower level than they used to be |
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but I think the next arc would have been at least really cool for him and more personal. Doubt his death would be super sad like Fives.
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