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Sept 25, 2019 12:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Sept 25, 2019 12:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Dec 2, 2019 12:40:14 GMT -5
 Very surprising. An EU army is definitely a step in the right direction though. So...Maybe we can finally take over the role of liberal superpower from the US. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 2, 2019 13:10:44 GMT -5
Very surprising. An EU army is definitely a step in the right direction though. So...Maybe we can finally take over the role of liberal superpower from the US. I think Europe is in too awkward of a spot geographically to be a deterrent to China though (or North Korea for that matter)... it’s so out of the way from China’s sphere of influence. Despite being isolated by oceans America actually has a good geographic position in regards to non western powers. |
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Dec 2, 2019 13:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 2, 2019 13:56:21 GMT -5
Very surprising. An EU army is definitely a step in the right direction though. So...Maybe we can finally take over the role of liberal superpower from the US. Probably won’t be happy to find out the US isn’t paying for it. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 2, 2019 14:33:33 GMT -5
Very surprising. An EU army is definitely a step in the right direction though. So...Maybe we can finally take over the role of liberal superpower from the US. Probably won’t be happy to find out the US isn’t paying for it. It won't have to. The EU's military spending is still higher than China's and Russia's. It's just inefficient since it is divided over 28 armies, instead of one. Besides, it is about time Europe stops relying on the US. They are not a reliable partner. If Putin were to invade the Baltics today I highly doubt his great friend Trump would honor the NATO commitments and intervene. The US is a coin-flip. There is a 50/50 chance there will be a sane President. It is probably better to start relying on a EU army, and use NATO as some kind of extra that might be useful if we are lucky. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 2, 2019 14:36:41 GMT -5
Very surprising. An EU army is definitely a step in the right direction though. So...Maybe we can finally take over the role of liberal superpower from the US. I think Europe is in too awkward of a spot geographically to be a deterrent to China though (or North Korea for that matter)... it’s so out of the way from China’s sphere of influence. Despite being isolated by oceans America actually has a good geographic position in regards to non western powers. Europe should be more of an economic power anyway. The EU army should focus on peacekeeping missions in developing or neighboring countries, and making sure Russia doesn't get any crazy ideas. A war between China and any other major power would just result in annihilation anyway. Besides, I don't think geography matters a lot anymore. |
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Dec 2, 2019 14:44:04 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 2, 2019 14:44:04 GMT -5
Probably won’t be happy to find out the US isn’t paying for it. It won't have to. The EU's military spending is still higher than China's and Russia's. It's just inefficient since it is divided over 28 armies, instead of one. Besides, it is about time Europe stops relying on the US. They are not a reliable partner. If Putin were to invade the Baltics today I highly doubt his great friend Trump would honor the NATO commitments and intervene. The US is a coin-flip. There is a 50/50 chance there will be a sane President. It is probably better to start relying on a EU army, and use NATO as some kind of extra that might be useful if we are lucky. We could not agree more on that. |
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Dec 2, 2019 14:48:07 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 2, 2019 14:48:07 GMT -5
It’s been intended as an insult to tell Trump that he is not the “Leader of the Free World” but honestly I feel like he’d agree, probably take it as a compliment. We are well beyond the time where the US should be pouring money into countries that are already rich. Europe and China loved Obama because he let them rip us off. Glad that is long over.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 3, 2019 15:12:29 GMT -5
It’s been intended as an insult to tell Trump that he is not the “Leader of the Free World” but honestly I feel like he’d agree, probably take it as a compliment. We are well beyond the time where the US should be pouring money into countries that are already rich. Europe and China loved Obama because he let them rip us off. Glad that is long over. No one is ripping off the US. It is in American interests to maintain a presence in Europe, and pretty much all over the world. You think it is just charity? When the US wanted to get nuclear weapons in the Netherlands that led to the largest protest in Dutch history. The people here didn't want it, but the US insisted and pressured the government to allow it. They gain from having a military presence there, it is a modern form of imperialism. They have influence over Europe and large chunks of the rest of the world because of their military presence there. When US and EU interests aligned and the US seemed to help reduce authoritarian influences from the East, all this was fine for Europe. But now the US is slowly turning itself authoritarian. So it is time to start removing US influences. Being the leader of the free world is a positive thing. But Trump is not in that position regardless of whether he retreats from Europe or not, simply because he shows a complete disregard for everything that defines the free world. Merkel has taken over the position that was traditionally held by the US President in attempting to promote liberal democracy... because Trump prefer aligning himself with dictatorships over his European allies. Europe saw the US as an ally. We liked Obama because he seemed like a sensible and intelligent person. He was a huge upgrade over Bush, who was extremely unpopular in Europe due to the wars in the Middle East (among other things). That is why people liked him here. Not because he allowed Europe to 'rip off' the US. The reason people in Europe hate Trump is because everyone considers him a joke. We don't think he is tough on Europe, we think he is an outright threat to international stability and we are sad to see our former ally led by a clown. Europeans used to see the US as a partner, but I notice that, thanks to Trump, that feeling is fading. The US is now seen as a rogue state and in some cases a rival. That is not a good thing. The main beneficiary of this is Putin. Trump is making all his dreams come true. Russia definitely likes Trump because he lets them rip the US off. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 3, 2019 15:15:36 GMT -5
It won't have to. The EU's military spending is still higher than China's and Russia's. It's just inefficient since it is divided over 28 armies, instead of one. Besides, it is about time Europe stops relying on the US. They are not a reliable partner. If Putin were to invade the Baltics today I highly doubt his great friend Trump would honor the NATO commitments and intervene. The US is a coin-flip. There is a 50/50 chance there will be a sane President. It is probably better to start relying on a EU army, and use NATO as some kind of extra that might be useful if we are lucky. We could not agree more on that. I mean, I would prefer to keep NATO the way it is. Not because of the costs but because a Democratic anti-Russian/Chinese alliance is beneficial and can help maintain stability. I don't think Europe should kick the US troops out for now. But under Russian influences the US has become an unreliable partner. So we better prepare in case they abandon or even back-stab us. |
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Dec 4, 2019 23:25:21 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 4, 2019 23:25:21 GMT -5
We could not agree more on that. I mean, I would prefer to keep NATO the way it is. Not because of the costs but because a Democratic anti-Russian/Chinese alliance is beneficial and can help maintain stability. I don't think Europe should kick the US troops out for now. But under Russian influences the US has become an unreliable partner. So we better prepare in case they abandon or even back-stab us.Can’t risk it man. Better tell them to go home. |
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Dec 4, 2019 23:29:21 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 4, 2019 23:29:21 GMT -5
It’s been intended as an insult to tell Trump that he is not the “Leader of the Free World” but honestly I feel like he’d agree, probably take it as a compliment. We are well beyond the time where the US should be pouring money into countries that are already rich. Europe and China loved Obama because he let them rip us off. Glad that is long over. No one is ripping off the US. It is in American interests to maintain a presence in Europe, and pretty much all over the world. You think it is just charity? When the US wanted to get nuclear weapons in the Netherlands that led to the largest protest in Dutch history. The people here didn't want it, but the US insisted and pressured the government to allow it. They gain from having a military presence there, it is a modern form of imperialism. They have influence over Europe and large chunks of the rest of the world because of their military presence there. When US and EU interests aligned and the US seemed to help reduce authoritarian influences from the East, all this was fine for Europe. But now the US is slowly turning itself authoritarian. So it is time to start removing US influences. Being the leader of the free world is a positive thing. But Trump is not in that position regardless of whether he retreats from Europe or not, simply because he shows a complete disregard for everything that defines the free world. Merkel has taken over the position that was traditionally held by the US President in attempting to promote liberal democracy... because Trump prefer aligning himself with dictatorships over his European allies. Europe saw the US as an ally. We liked Obama because he seemed like a sensible and intelligent person. He was a huge upgrade over Bush, who was extremely unpopular in Europe due to the wars in the Middle East (among other things). That is why people liked him here. Not because he allowed Europe to 'rip off' the US. The reason people in Europe hate Trump is because everyone considers him a joke. We don't think he is tough on Europe, we think he is an outright threat to international stability and we are sad to see our former ally led by a clown. Europeans used to see the US as a partner, but I notice that, thanks to Trump, that feeling is fading. The US is now seen as a rogue state and in some cases a rival. That is not a good thing. The main beneficiary of this is Putin. Trump is making all his dreams come true. Russia definitely likes Trump because he lets them rip the US off. Russia must love that Trump is arming Ukraine with more than they’ve ever gotten from us. And they must love Trump pressuring Merkel not to build a pipeline that will enrich Russia. But I get it, man. Narrative to the end. Orange Man is Russia Clown. |
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Dec 5, 2019 1:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Dec 5, 2019 1:47:41 GMT -5
I mean, I would prefer to keep NATO the way it is. Not because of the costs but because a Democratic anti-Russian/Chinese alliance is beneficial and can help maintain stability. I don't think Europe should kick the US troops out for now. But under Russian influences the US has become an unreliable partner. So we better prepare in case they abandon or even back-stab us.Can’t risk it man. Better tell them to go home. I mean Trump has the temperament of a toddler... who knows what he will do... or who knows what kind of madman the US we will elect next. I am not saying he would attack Europe. But stand idly by as Russia invades EU countries like Latvia or Estonia? Probably. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 5, 2019 2:08:07 GMT -5
No one is ripping off the US. It is in American interests to maintain a presence in Europe, and pretty much all over the world. You think it is just charity? When the US wanted to get nuclear weapons in the Netherlands that led to the largest protest in Dutch history. The people here didn't want it, but the US insisted and pressured the government to allow it. They gain from having a military presence there, it is a modern form of imperialism. They have influence over Europe and large chunks of the rest of the world because of their military presence there. When US and EU interests aligned and the US seemed to help reduce authoritarian influences from the East, all this was fine for Europe. But now the US is slowly turning itself authoritarian. So it is time to start removing US influences. Being the leader of the free world is a positive thing. But Trump is not in that position regardless of whether he retreats from Europe or not, simply because he shows a complete disregard for everything that defines the free world. Merkel has taken over the position that was traditionally held by the US President in attempting to promote liberal democracy... because Trump prefer aligning himself with dictatorships over his European allies. Europe saw the US as an ally. We liked Obama because he seemed like a sensible and intelligent person. He was a huge upgrade over Bush, who was extremely unpopular in Europe due to the wars in the Middle East (among other things). That is why people liked him here. Not because he allowed Europe to 'rip off' the US. The reason people in Europe hate Trump is because everyone considers him a joke. We don't think he is tough on Europe, we think he is an outright threat to international stability and we are sad to see our former ally led by a clown. Europeans used to see the US as a partner, but I notice that, thanks to Trump, that feeling is fading. The US is now seen as a rogue state and in some cases a rival. That is not a good thing. The main beneficiary of this is Putin. Trump is making all his dreams come true. Russia definitely likes Trump because he lets them rip the US off. Russia must love that Trump is arming Ukraine with more than they’ve ever gotten from us. And they must love Trump pressuring Merkel not to build a pipeline that will enrich Russia. But I get it, man. Narrative to the end. Orange Man is Russia Clown. Trump is withholding that aid in exchange for personal favours. His aid is pretty unimpressive considering the EU gave at least twice as much each year. On top of that he is framing Ukraine as the bad country that interfered in US elections. As for Nord Stream 2. Meaningless. Merkel won't listen to Trump, so I doubt Russia cares. But in the meantime Trump has: - Weakened and divided NATO (Putin's ultimate goal)
- Tried to remove sanctions on Russia
- Picked fights with traditional US allies
- Withdrawn from Syria, allowing Russia to expand its influence
- Turned the US isolationist
- Discredited US international power, and possibly ended US hegemony
- Supported known Russian-funded European politicians like Marine le Pen and Nigel Farage
- Gained Russian aid in the US elections. Trump himself requested this aid on TV. His campaign officials have been in frequent contact with Russia
- Help push for a hard Brexit (Another of Putin's goals)
- Openly praised Putin and other authoritarian leaders
- Asked for Russia to be invited back into the G8
- Was fine with Russia taking Crimea.
- Took Putin's word as truth on several occasions
- Copied Russian talking points
There is probably more. But I think all this makes Russia very happy with him already.
As for the clown part... Did you hear him talk? Feels like listening to someone with dementia.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2019 17:06:32 GMT -5
the early UK election results are embarrassing... Then again, maybe the US and UK both just suffer from broken electoral systems...
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Post by Pinda on Dec 12, 2019 17:13:14 GMT -5
At least they will finally leave our glorious Union I guess.
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Post by Pinda on Jun 17, 2020 18:00:46 GMT -5
Polish President: "LGBT people are worse than the Communist regime ever was." Me:  |
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Post by Newan on Jul 8, 2020 11:44:46 GMT -5
Trump wants to leave the WHO... like why?
It doesn’t go into effect until mid 2021 though and can be cancelled at anytime, so not likely to happen since I’m thinking Biden has like a 60-40 chance of winning.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jul 8, 2020 14:09:37 GMT -5
Oh my god, we are so economically screwed. The new pledges our finance minister is making just plain reeks of "You're all going to pay big time for this later" type concessions...
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Post by Pinda on Dec 1, 2020 18:48:54 GMT -5
Thierry Baudet, the creepiest politician I have ever seen in Europe. First time I heard of him he defended some (non-politician) guy who wanted to legalize rape by claiming women want to be raped. He, unironically, calls himself "the most important Dutch intellectual". The arrogance of this guy is ridiculous... He even posted a pretty much nude picture of himself because he thinks he is extremely handsome. So even ignoring politics, the guy is creepy as Potato is Awesome. His whole political program is about "taking down the elite" but he did his first speech in parliament in Latin... doesn't get more elite than that. And during his victory speech yesterday he raged about all kinds of crazy stuff including how he thinks colonialism was a good thing... And while the Green Party leader (political polar opposite) told his supporters to stop booing this guy Baudet's right hand actually talked about "cooperation" and "civility after the elections" and then he and his crowd laughed at those concepts. Baudet also dined with actual neo-nazis and members of white supremacist groups from the US. And claimed Dutch blood is being "thinned" through interbreeding with foreigners. He rejects the existence of climate change and wants to leave the EU even after this whole Brexit disaster. And now his party became the largest in the Dutch "First Chamber" with 12 seats. Luckily we have the Green Party (9 seats) and Party for Animals (3 seats) to balance it out... but it is really worrying that so many people vote for this kind of person. Yeah... so this is the guy that got exposed for being a Nazi-sympathizer. Not sure how it only became public knowledge now... |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 15, 2021 12:22:19 GMT -5
So the Dutch national elections are on Wednesday... For the first time I actively contributed to a campaign. I joined Volt, which is a new party that is active all over Europe and has similar election programmes in all EU states. That is really unique. Until now national parties cooperated at the European level, but they were never part of the same organization. They are also the first true Eurofederalist party we have had since the 50s.
They already got a seat in the European elections and some in the German municipality elections. This will be the first national elections they participate in.
I delivered 2000 flyers in my city and helped answer emails and check their published texts for spelling errors etc. When I joined they had like 1000 members and we were not sure if we would get even a single seat. Now they are approaching 6000 which makes them a medium-sized party. And most impressively, despite a lack of media coverage early on they are now polling at 4 seats (out of 150) which is huge for a new party in the Netherlands. Of course, we still have to see how polls translated into reality, but this is awesome.
I feel like I am actually having an impact on national politics at the moment. Like I voted for the party leader back in september, only like 600 people voted and the guy I voted for barely won. Yesterday he was on national television for 15 minutes in the most watched news show. That's pretty cool.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 15, 2021 13:04:03 GMT -5
So the Dutch national elections are on Wednesday... For the first time I actively contributed to a campaign. I joined Volt, which is a new party that is active all over Europe and has similar election programmes in all EU states. That is really unique. Until now national parties cooperated at the European level, but they were never part of the same organization. They are also the first true Eurofederalist party we have had since the 50s. They already got a seat in the European elections and some in the German municipality elections. This will be the first national elections they participate in. I delivered 2000 flyers in my city and helped answer emails and check their published texts for spelling errors etc. When I joined they had like 1000 members and we were not sure if we would get even a single seat. Now they are approaching 6000 which makes them a medium-sized party. And most impressively, despite a lack of media coverage early on they are now polling at 4 seats (out of 150) which is huge for a new party in the Netherlands. Of course, we still have to see how polls translated into reality, but this is awesome. I feel like I am actually having an impact on national politics at the moment. Like I voted for the party leader back in september, only like 600 people voted and the guy I voted for barely won. Yesterday he was on national television for 15 minutes in the most watched news show. That's pretty cool. Wow, that's a pretty impressive underdog story, let alone being a part of it  What are there goals and policies then? I'm going to take a wild guess and say they're not aiming to have a "Dutchxit"? |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 16, 2021 17:58:20 GMT -5
So the Dutch national elections are on Wednesday... For the first time I actively contributed to a campaign. I joined Volt, which is a new party that is active all over Europe and has similar election programmes in all EU states. That is really unique. Until now national parties cooperated at the European level, but they were never part of the same organization. They are also the first true Eurofederalist party we have had since the 50s. They already got a seat in the European elections and some in the German municipality elections. This will be the first national elections they participate in. I delivered 2000 flyers in my city and helped answer emails and check their published texts for spelling errors etc. When I joined they had like 1000 members and we were not sure if we would get even a single seat. Now they are approaching 6000 which makes them a medium-sized party. And most impressively, despite a lack of media coverage early on they are now polling at 4 seats (out of 150) which is huge for a new party in the Netherlands. Of course, we still have to see how polls translated into reality, but this is awesome. I feel like I am actually having an impact on national politics at the moment. Like I voted for the party leader back in september, only like 600 people voted and the guy I voted for barely won. Yesterday he was on national television for 15 minutes in the most watched news show. That's pretty cool. Wow, that's a pretty impressive underdog story, let alone being a part of it What are there goals and policies then? I'm going to take a wild guess and say they're not aiming to have a "Dutchxit"? The goal is mainly moving politics to a European level, and turning the EU into a federation. In practice the EU is already close to a federation, but we need to get rid off veto powers for the Member States and democratize the EU in order to keep things functioning properly. Other than that they are a very progressive centre-left party. A bit too centrist for me actually, but I am willing to vote centrist if it means we get some Federalists in parliament. And there are some Nexit (as we call it) parties, but they are obviously not one of those. The entire post-election political landscape is shaping up to be a mess though. Polls are saying we will get 5 new parties in parliament, and all parties already in it will stay. Which brings the total to 18 parties... with 76/150 seats needed to form a coalition and the largest party at 30-35 seats (and the runner-up is currently at 19)... That is going to be really complicated. But eventually I foresee that not much will change and we will get yet another center-right government. But the next few days are going to be very interesting. The fascist I have been complaining about is only polling at 5 seats (as opposed to 20 back in 2019 before he came out as fascist and corona-denier), but he claims his own information shows he will get 76-90 seats (which is pretty much impossible in the Netherlands, no one ever went over 74). And he is already claiming the elections will be rigged against him. He is the only politician holding rallies (because he claims corona is a hoax) and people are showing up.... they already marched towards the Binnenhof (our 'Capitol') today... I think he is going to get them to use violence if he loses the elections (which he likely will). We are basically going to see a repeat of the US post-election chaos. This guy even started adopting Trump's style (like the red hat). But where Trump is just incompetent and stupid this guy is kind of smart and has the intention to do some serious damage. So everyone is kind of worried how he will react. He has already been involved in inciting violent anti-lockdown riots back in January... things might get bad. His small fanbase is possibly more brainwashed than the Trump cult in the US. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 17, 2021 17:05:23 GMT -5
Wow, that's a pretty impressive underdog story, let alone being a part of it What are there goals and policies then? I'm going to take a wild guess and say they're not aiming to have a "Dutchxit"? The goal is mainly moving politics to a European level, and turning the EU into a federation. In practice the EU is already close to a federation, but we need to get rid off veto powers for the Member States and democratize the EU in order to keep things functioning properly. Other than that they are a very progressive centre-left party. A bit too centrist for me actually, but I am willing to vote centrist if it means we get some Federalists in parliament. And there are some Nexit (as we call it) parties, but they are obviously not one of those. The entire post-election political landscape is shaping up to be a mess though. Polls are saying we will get 5 new parties in parliament, and all parties already in it will stay. Which brings the total to 18 parties... with 76/150 seats needed to form a coalition and the largest party at 30-35 seats (and the runner-up is currently at 19)... That is going to be really complicated. But eventually I foresee that not much will change and we will get yet another center-right government. But the next few days are going to be very interesting. The fascist I have been complaining about is only polling at 5 seats (as opposed to 20 back in 2019 before he came out as fascist and corona-denier), but he claims his own information shows he will get 76-90 seats (which is pretty much impossible in the Netherlands, no one ever went over 74). And he is already claiming the elections will be rigged against him. He is the only politician holding rallies (because he claims corona is a hoax) and people are showing up.... they already marched towards the Binnenhof (our 'Capitol') today... I think he is going to get them to use violence if he loses the elections (which he likely will). We are basically going to see a repeat of the US post-election chaos. This guy even started adopting Trump's style (like the red hat). But where Trump is just incompetent and stupid this guy is kind of smart and has the intention to do some serious damage. So everyone is kind of worried how he will react. He has already been involved in inciting violent anti-lockdown riots back in January... things might get bad. His small fanbase is possibly more brainwashed than the Trump cult in the US. I feel like extremists like him are just too much for most folks. A lot of what he says can easily be compared to the big talk you get from WWE wrestlers. It's just a load of fighting talk that's pretty empty, especially with those seat claims. Any violence he attempts to incite may happen, but the press and rivals will then have all the ammunition they need to brand him a sore loser and damage his credibility. Assuming he's got any of course To be honest, I get the feeling you'll see your party grow, while his starts to sink after the election. I still find it crazy how split the power is between so many parties there though. Kinda wish we had some of that here instead of our flawed as hell two party system |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 17, 2021 20:35:00 GMT -5
The goal is mainly moving politics to a European level, and turning the EU into a federation. In practice the EU is already close to a federation, but we need to get rid off veto powers for the Member States and democratize the EU in order to keep things functioning properly. Other than that they are a very progressive centre-left party. A bit too centrist for me actually, but I am willing to vote centrist if it means we get some Federalists in parliament. And there are some Nexit (as we call it) parties, but they are obviously not one of those. The entire post-election political landscape is shaping up to be a mess though. Polls are saying we will get 5 new parties in parliament, and all parties already in it will stay. Which brings the total to 18 parties... with 76/150 seats needed to form a coalition and the largest party at 30-35 seats (and the runner-up is currently at 19)... That is going to be really complicated. But eventually I foresee that not much will change and we will get yet another center-right government. But the next few days are going to be very interesting. The fascist I have been complaining about is only polling at 5 seats (as opposed to 20 back in 2019 before he came out as fascist and corona-denier), but he claims his own information shows he will get 76-90 seats (which is pretty much impossible in the Netherlands, no one ever went over 74). And he is already claiming the elections will be rigged against him. He is the only politician holding rallies (because he claims corona is a hoax) and people are showing up.... they already marched towards the Binnenhof (our 'Capitol') today... I think he is going to get them to use violence if he loses the elections (which he likely will). We are basically going to see a repeat of the US post-election chaos. This guy even started adopting Trump's style (like the red hat). But where Trump is just incompetent and stupid this guy is kind of smart and has the intention to do some serious damage. So everyone is kind of worried how he will react. He has already been involved in inciting violent anti-lockdown riots back in January... things might get bad. His small fanbase is possibly more brainwashed than the Trump cult in the US. I feel like extremists like him are just too much for most folks. A lot of what he says can easily be compared to the big talk you get from WWE wrestlers. It's just a load of fighting talk that's pretty empty, especially with those seat claims. Any violence he attempts to incite may happen, but the press and rivals will then have all the ammunition they need to brand him a sore loser and damage his credibility. Assuming he's got any of course To be honest, I get the feeling you'll see your party grow, while his starts to sink after the election. I still find it crazy how split the power is between so many parties there though. Kinda wish we had some of that here instead of our flawed as hell two party system Well, the extremists grew in power this election... And it has been 7 hours since the first exitpolls (which are always fairly accurate here) came in. This guy is at 8 seats now (up from 2), so far from the 76 he predicted. Two of the main governing parties, which he considers to be part of the evil elite actually are the main winners. This fascist is now the only politician that has not responded in any way. No one has seen him or heard from him. He has been tweeting non-stop for weeks, and now there is a complete silence on that front as well. He didn't even thank his voters. Other party prominent have been eerily absent as well. In the meantime his fanbase is getting riled up. #fraud is the most tweeted term in the Netherlands right now. People are talking about 'taking this to the streets' 'going out to fight the fraud and the evil left-wing'. I honestly think something bad is going to happen. He is going to come out, claim election fraud and declare that we must fight to liberate the country. He is far more insane than even Trump, I don't know if he can stop himself from doing something stupid. But his absence for 7 hours tells me something is wrong... |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 17, 2021 20:43:23 GMT -5
So the entire left-wing in the Netherlands got decimated. They went from 60ish seats in 2012 to 25 today. The socialist and the Green party both lost 6 seats, while their main competitor the Labour Party, which got decimated in 2017, just stayed stable. All those votes went to the progressive centrist party, which has been supporting the centre-right government, because the left-wing voters wanted to form a bloc against the Neoliberal PM.
But now the left-wing is as good as gone and the neoliberals are still the largest party... the centrists will likely support another centre-right government and things will stay the same. Only the Netherlands are moving further right yet again... with more seats for both the moderate right-wing parties AND a new far-right party coming in at 4 seats.
My party did gain 3 seats in the current exitpolls though... they actually had 4 at first... maybe they can still go back to that in the final results. But they are guaranteed to make it into Parliament at this point. Which is surprising given one of their main competitors is the party that won the most. Progressives made huge gains, but at the cost of the left. So while I am happy we may be getting a bit more progressive, I still feel shitty about the decimation of the left. We also got a party for terrorist farmers and the communist 'woke' party coming in at 1 seat each now... I am not particularly fond of either, but the former especially could cause some problems soon...
The results are quite shocking to be honest. The Left lost 12 seats, but the polls only showed them losing 3 and the fascists over-performed. The current coalition may retain its majority, but it is likely the progressive centrists will try to kick out the most conservative party with its newly gained powers... This is going to be interesting... I bet negotiations for a coalition are going to get close to our old record if the old coalition fails to get enough seats.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 18, 2021 5:15:36 GMT -5
So with the political shift does this mean the fascist dude hasn't really won much? I mean, other than the left crumbling, it doesn't sound like he's gained much and with his sudden radio silence, perhaps his options in how to respond given his big claims never happened. Also, a party of terrorist farmers has got to be the craziest idea I've heard in some time |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 19, 2021 20:16:32 GMT -5
So with the political shift does this mean the fascist dude hasn't really won much? I mean, other than the left crumbling, it doesn't sound like he's gained much and with his sudden radio silence, perhaps his options in how to respond given his big claims never happened. Also, a party of terrorist farmers has got to be the craziest idea I've heard in some time Guess he decide to accept his seat gains... he suddenly became surprisingly nice to the other parties, which he accused of fraud before. 80% of his voters still believe there has been fraud, but he is not encouraging them surprisingly. As a political commentator said: you can't predict insanity. And the farmer party obviously doesn't ca itself terrorist, but they are a political wing of the Farmer Defence Force, which is basically a terrorist organization. Before COVID they were the main problem in the Netherlands. We have a ridiculous amount of agricultural here (some how we are the second largest exporter of food) and because of that our air quality is pretty shit, below European standards actually... so our Courts forced the government to comply with European standards as soon as possible. This meant the farmers had to start making changes, which really pissed them off. They actually started threatening politicians, attacked people with tractors and even drove a tractor through the door of one of the provincial capital buildings. It was pretty ridiculous. They also threatened to attack food distribution centers in order to starve out the Dutch population (delusional plan) the government even had to sent in the army at some point. Then corona came and they grew quiet, but now they are in Parliament... which kinda sucks. I mean I get having to make changes can be costly and that sucks, but half of these people are millionairs and they have been poisoning us for years... |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 20, 2021 12:53:58 GMT -5
So with the political shift does this mean the fascist dude hasn't really won much? I mean, other than the left crumbling, it doesn't sound like he's gained much and with his sudden radio silence, perhaps his options in how to respond given his big claims never happened. Also, a party of terrorist farmers has got to be the craziest idea I've heard in some time Guess he decide to accept his seat gains... he suddenly became surprisingly nice to the other parties, which he accused of fraud before. 80% of his voters still believe there has been fraud, but he is not encouraging them surprisingly. As a political commentator said: you can't predict insanity. And the farmer party obviously doesn't ca itself terrorist, but they are a political wing of the Farmer Defence Force, which is basically a terrorist organization. Before COVID they were the main problem in the Netherlands. We have a ridiculous amount of agricultural here (some how we are the second largest exporter of food) and because of that our air quality is pretty shit, below European standards actually... so our Courts forced the government to comply with European standards as soon as possible. This meant the farmers had to start making changes, which really pissed them off. They actually started threatening politicians, attacked people with tractors and even drove a tractor through the door of one of the provincial capital buildings. It was pretty ridiculous. They also threatened to attack food distribution centers in order to starve out the Dutch population (delusional plan) the government even had to sent in the army at some point. Then corona came and they grew quiet, but now they are in Parliament... which kinda sucks. I mean I get having to make changes can be costly and that sucks, but half of these people are millionairs and they have been poisoning us for years... Well on the bright side he's keeping his mouth shut and for now the waters are calm(ish). Jeez, that's crazy how you export that much for a place so tiny! Kinda bizarre though how they're basically protesting against them not having to deal with bad air quality These people are taking the ignorant, country bumpkin stereotype to the next level |
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What are there goals and policies then? I'm going to take a wild guess and say they're not aiming to have a "Dutchxit"? 
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 