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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 20:54:06 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm spamming... but another quote from this famous Guru we keep hearing about. Probably one of the best quotes. ""I was once asked what it means to enter the void. You may meditate for a hundred years trying to detach youself from the world, but he cannot do it. Humans cherish human life, and by that they are bound to this world. The only way to abandon the world is to abandon one’s humanity. The void is found in the sowing of death. From that death springs life on the wind." That quote was released a whole back by ZaheerForThePeople. I think I even posted it here. I think this meansthe guru will appear in the next episode though. And Xai may return. Unless he is Zaheer.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 20:58:33 GMT -5
I found this awesome fanmade trailer consisting of parts of previous episodes from this season. I do not recall ever seeing that final shot, I believe its from the finale. Maybe Korra is being brainwashed? Or she sees the Red Lotus is right?Or maybe they reveal something to her, or Tenzin dies. Either way it looks like something shocking happens there. That was such a good trailer. Way better than the actual one . Do you know who said "you have no idea what is coming for you avatar" I do not recognize the voice.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 20:59:53 GMT -5
That quote was released a whole back by ZaheerForThePeople. I think I even posted it here. I think this meansthe guru will appear in the next episode though. And Xai may return. Unless he is Zaheer. Or unless Xai, Zaheer and the guru are all the same person. #ultimateplottwist
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:01:32 GMT -5
That was such a good trailer. Way better than the actual one . Do you know who said "you have no idea what is coming for you avatar" I do not recognize the voice. It kind of reminds me of Ayewei however you spell his name.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:02:03 GMT -5
Xai is the red lotus founder guy right? He probably was a member of the white lotus when the war ended in ATLA. So I guess he is likely to be dead by now. So maybe Zaheer is some sort of reincarnation of him? Not that it is very important since we do nkt really know Xai. The guru is more importsnt.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:02:17 GMT -5
And Xai may return. Unless he is Zaheer. Or unless Xai, Zaheer and the guru are all the same person. #ultimateplottwist Ahaha I feel like there must be more members of the Red Lotus... maybe their actual leader is hiding. Aka Xai or the Guru. There has to be still some more Red Lotus alive.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:02:44 GMT -5
Do you know who said "you have no idea what is coming for you avatar" I do not recognize the voice. It kind of reminds me of Ayewei however you spell his name. Yeah I guess it was him. I do mot know when he coild have said that though.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:02:50 GMT -5
Do you know who said "you have no idea what is coming for you avatar" I do not recognize the voice. It kind of reminds me of Ayewei however you spell his name. Yeah I guess it was him. I do mot know when he coild have said that though.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:04:25 GMT -5
Xai is the red lotus founder guy right? He probably was a member of the white lotus when the war ended in ATLA. So I guess he is likely to be dead by now. So maybe Zaheer is some sort of reincarnation of him? Not that it is very important since we do nkt really know Xai. The guru is more importsnt. True, but I think he wasn't a member after the war since those were mostly "old" people. He must have join later after the war. He could be alive. Maybe he found some way to retain himself using the spirits or something.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:04:55 GMT -5
It kind of reminds me of Ayewei however you spell his name. Yeah I guess it was him. I do mot know when he coild have said that though. Well if it's not in the finale tomorrow Then it must have been him.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:05:18 GMT -5
Or unless Xai, Zaheer and the guru are all the same person. #ultimateplottwist Ahaha I feel like there must be more members of the Red Lotus... maybe their actual leader is hiding. Aka Xai or the Guru. There has to be still some more Red Lotus alive. Probably. I mean Unalaq was a member, I am sure he would not join a group of 4 young anarchists. There have to be many more of them. And if the Guru is still around he is probably their leader.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:06:06 GMT -5
Ahaha I feel like there must be more members of the Red Lotus... maybe their actual leader is hiding. Aka Xai or the Guru. There has to be still some more Red Lotus alive. Probably. I mean Unalaq was a member, I am sure he would not join a group of 4 young anarchists. There have to be many more of them. And if the Guru is still around he is probably their leader. Was the Guru an actual airbender? or was he like the Guru who taught Aang the chi and the Avatar State stuff.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:07:29 GMT -5
Xai is the red lotus founder guy right? He probably was a member of the white lotus when the war ended in ATLA. So I guess he is likely to be dead by now. So maybe Zaheer is some sort of reincarnation of him? Not that it is very important since we do nkt really know Xai. The guru is more importsnt. True, but I think he wasn't a member after the war since those were mostly "old" people. He must have join later after the war. He could be alive. Maybe he found some way to retain himself using the spirits or something. Well, I think he was a member during the war since the Red Lotus was created because some people within the white lotus disagreed with the decision to reveal the white lotus to the public during the battle of ba sing se. So he probably found the red lotus just after the war.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:08:08 GMT -5
Probably. I mean Unalaq was a member, I am sure he would not join a group of 4 young anarchists. There have to be many more of them. And if the Guru is still around he is probably their leader. Was the Guru an actual airbender? or was he like the Guru who taught Aang the chi and the Avatar State stuff. I am pretty sure he was an airbender, Zaheer said so many times.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:09:31 GMT -5
True, but I think he wasn't a member after the war since those were mostly "old" people. He must have join later after the war. He could be alive. Maybe he found some way to retain himself using the spirits or something. Well, I think he was a member during the war since the Red Lotus was created because some people within the white lotus disagreed with the decision to reveal the white lotus to the public during the battle of ba sing se. So he probably found the red lotus just after the war. But Unalaq, Zaheer and the gang must have been alive then in order to do that since they joined him during that time.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:10:07 GMT -5
Was the Guru an actual airbender? or was he like the Guru who taught Aang the chi and the Avatar State stuff. I am pretty sure he was an airbender, Zaheer said so many times. Then he would have been killed sadly. Unless he lived in the spirit world. And someone killed his body then his teachings and beliefs would have came true.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:15:32 GMT -5
I am pretty sure he was an airbender, Zaheer said so many times. Then he would have been killed sadly. Unless he lived in the spirit world. And someone killed his body then his teachings and beliefs would have came true. That is probably what happened. We know Zaheer has a strong connection to thr spirit world, that must have been how he met the guru. Also I suspect thr guru had something to do with the nee airbenders. They never gave a goood explenation for the new airbenders.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 21, 2014 21:16:39 GMT -5
Well, I think he was a member during the war since the Red Lotus was created because some people within the white lotus disagreed with the decision to reveal the white lotus to the public during the battle of ba sing se. So he probably found the red lotus just after the war. But Unalaq, Zaheer and the gang must have been alive then in order to do that since they joined him during that time. They did? I do not think it has been confirmed that they did join at the foundation of the order.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:17:41 GMT -5
Then he would have been killed sadly. Unless he lived in the spirit world. And someone killed his body then his teachings and beliefs would have came true. That is probably what happened. We know Zaheer has a strong connection to thr spirit world, that must have been how he met the guru. Also I suspect thr guru had something to do with the nee airbenders. They never gave a goood explenation for the new airbenders. Yeah he's probably some ancient spirit. Ko, the face stealer, I remember had some airbender guru looking face... maybe that has somethingto do with it. IDK. But maybe the reason why Bumi got airbending powers because they knew Tenzin would die... and Aang needs some son to have airbending to pass on airbending.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 21, 2014 21:18:11 GMT -5
But Unalaq, Zaheer and the gang must have been alive then in order to do that since they joined him during that time. They did? I do not think it has been confirmed that they did join at the foundation of the order. They kind of made it sound like that. Zaheer feels very strongly about it. So I'm not sure but it would make sense.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 22, 2014 6:59:04 GMT -5
That is probably what happened. We know Zaheer has a strong connection to thr spirit world, that must have been how he met the guru. Also I suspect thr guru had something to do with the nee airbenders. They never gave a goood explenation for the new airbenders. Yeah he's probably some ancient spirit. Ko, the face stealer, I remember had some airbender guru looking face... maybe that has somethingto do with it. IDK. But maybe the reason why Bumi got airbending powers because they knew Tenzin would die... and Aang needs some son to have airbending to pass on airbending. I don't think Koh is the Guru though. And they already said Jinora sort of became an airbending master earlier on in the season (she is apparently better than Tenzin) so I guess she could pass on airbending.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 22, 2014 8:10:06 GMT -5
Just watched it! I loved it. I only had one complaint. But that might be the entire plot point of season 4....
It was emotional though. Three people do die, unless the two do survive somehow which I think is very possible. And the battles were fantastic. I'll wait for when you finish it then I can talk about it more thoroughly.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 22, 2014 9:23:29 GMT -5
I'm disappointed about the finale. It all felt rushed. They pretty much revealed in the opening sequence that Tenzin was alive. It was never explained how Zaheer got his knowledge of the air nomads (specifically the Guru) and his strong connection to the spirit world. And the venom being made of metal was totally pointless. Then they humiliated Zaheer (who went a bit crazy near the end) and 3 out of the 4 red lotus members are probably dead (the least developed ones). Luckily Zaheer is still alive though. I can't imagine he won't return for book 4. They could just have killed him in the fall, or have Su bend the poison in him, but they kept him alive... there has to be a reason. I really expected more spiritual stuff and more shocking reveals in the finale.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 22, 2014 9:28:08 GMT -5
The best thing they did was the scene with Pli and Zaheer. It shows that they're not just villains but they actually have their reasons to do what they did. But Zaheer recovered too quickly from Pli's death.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 22, 2014 9:28:24 GMT -5
Also, I still think Tenzin should have died. And if not him then at least Torlaq should have died when Zaheer pushed him off the mountain.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 22, 2014 9:31:21 GMT -5
Also, there is something odd about the woman that saved Torlaq. They specifically named her and had her ask if she could come with Su, but it didn't contribute to the story at all. I think she might have a role in book 4.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 22, 2014 9:33:48 GMT -5
Yeah I agree Tenzin should have died. The ending with Jinora becoming a master would have made more sense, since she would be taking his place. But the part that stood out to me was the ending, and the scene with Vaatu, Unalaq and Amon. I think she has come to realize that they all weren't the villains in this conflict and she's starting to realize that maybe their beliefs, ideals, and reasons were true. But obviously the way they tried to make their visions come true was not. I think Pi'li's death and Ming Hua and the lava bender (forget his name) Shouldn't have gone out yet. Maybe they are still alive. You never know. But I still think this whole conflict will carry on to the next season. The Red Lotus will most likely still be the enemies, but Xia Bau and the Guru and Zaheer I still think will be continued. Korra is broken now too. And the President is still obnoxious. Maybe she'll come and realize that there needs to be a new order. But I did like the last scene where she shed a tear.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 22, 2014 9:34:31 GMT -5
Also, there is something odd about the woman that saved Torlaq. They specifically named her and had her ask if she could come with Su, but it didn't contribute to the story at all. I think she might have a role in book 4. I thought so too. Su seems to care for her. She's been shown numerous times too. Maybe she's another daughter IDK.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 22, 2014 9:38:18 GMT -5
Yeah I agree Tenzin should have died. The ending with Jinora becoming a master would have made more sense, since she would be taking his place. But the part that stood out to me was the ending, and the scene with Vaatu, Unalaq and Amon. I think she has come to realize that they all weren't the villains in this conflict and she's starting to realize that maybe their beliefs, ideals, and reasons were true. But obviously the way they tried to make their visions come true was not. I think Pi'li's death and Ming Hua and the lava bender (forget his name) Shouldn't have gone out yet. Maybe they are still alive. You never know. But I still think this whole conflict will carry on to the next season. The Red Lotus will most likely still be the enemies, but Xia Bau and the Guru and Zaheer I still think will be continued. Korra is broken now too. And the President is still obnoxious. Maybe she'll come and realize that there needs to be a new order. But I did like the last scene where she shed a tear. Vaatu's ideals were anything but true... he wanted to throw destroy human civilization and start an age of darkness. I highly doubt Korra agreed with him. But she already agreed with some of Unalaq's ideals (opening the portals). But yeah that scene was good. I also think it was a reference to the earlier seasons since it was the 100th episode. The idea of killing Korra in the avatar state was obviously a reference to "Crossroads of Destiny" (they even had the same crystals in the cave) and the fight between Korra and Zaheer was very similar to Aang and Ozai's fight.
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 22, 2014 9:38:27 GMT -5
If I got to change it. I think his actual plans with the poison should be his final action. If this episode consisted of maybe more of his beliefs and spiritual side then Season 4 can continue and be about his final plans which should have been ending the avatar cycle. And the ending foreshadowing their true leader, and a bunch of Red Lotus members returning making them an actual threat in Season 4. I can't explain it very well but I do think this could happen in Season 4. I don't want new villains to end this series, I want Zaheer and the Red Lotus storyline continued.
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