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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:33:35 GMT -5
Yoda has really bad stamina. He gets really tired fast. Mainly cause he is old more than likely. He's the oldest of all Jedi in existance in that time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:35:32 GMT -5
Mace is better then sidious. Sidious did not want anikan to see that jedi were taken over. Anikan knew he was a sith lord. Of course the jedi would of tried to take over sidious. He was a sith lord.
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Post by Malgus on May 31, 2013 17:50:17 GMT -5
Oh I forgot to say. Your move Potato  lets have a real debate rather than just saying someone is better or just voting. I encourage others to join us  I would..... But since school is out I'm not in the mood to write more essays.  |
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Post by Namialus on May 31, 2013 22:40:54 GMT -5
Mace is better then sidious. Sidious did not want anikan to see that jedi were taken over. Anikan knew he was a sith lord. Of course the jedi would of tried to take over sidious. He was a sith lord. I *highly* doubt Mace was better than Sidious. I believe Sidious foresaw that Anakin would come so he pretended to lose to make himself look helpless in front of Anakin, so the Chosen One would help him. |
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Post by Namialus on May 31, 2013 22:43:38 GMT -5
"Size matters not."
That only works with Force power. In a duel, size matters completely. For example, Savage vs Obi and Anakin. How did he hold his own for a long time? He was big and strong.
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Post by Namialus on May 31, 2013 22:47:27 GMT -5
When Yoda blocks off Sidious from leaving you can tell by Sidious' face that he's worried for his life. He knows Yoda has a chance of beating him and is worried for his life and his new rule. Sidious may have been able to defeat the other members of the council easily, but that's because he caught them off guard (he still would have won though, it just would have take a little longer). Still, if Yoda was pitted against those council members he too would have won. And at least Yoda was able to throw one of them back at Sidious. Sidious wasn't able to do anything when the one came back at him. Instead of pushing it back at Yoda, he just made a jump for it to get away. (Sorry this is so late.) Sidious was of course worried. He'd succeeded so much that day (or few days) that dying in that time was not an option. He gained so much and he did not want to lose it. He did whatever he could to save his life, including trying to leave the room. Yoda was a powerful being, even Sidious himself doubted how well he could do against his little green friend, and he would rather have saved his life surely than risk losing it. I am sure Sidious could have stopped that one Senate pod thrown at him. He just chose not to. |
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Post by Namialus on May 31, 2013 22:49:56 GMT -5
I wrote a long explanation as to why I voted Yoda, and it got deleted. *sigh* Let's do this again. Mace defeated Sidious. Yoda is more powerful than Mace. That's one thing. Now I'll analyze the duel. First, Sidious blasted Yoda with force lightning. If Yoda had made the first move, he could've achieved the same result with a force push. Palps tried to get away. He'd already proved his point about the Jedi, and there was nobody in the Senate Chamber either. Obviously, he wasn't prepared or willing to fight Yoda then and there. After that, they went at it with the sabers. They seemed pretty even, and personally I think it takes Juyo just to keep up with Ataru and maintain some semblance of an offensive. Also, Sidious is later seen running to the high ground with no lightsaber. That indicates that he was disarmed. He then started throwing random objects, a sign of desperation. The only reason it took Yoda a while to throw one back is because Sidious was already pushing, whereas the objects he was throwing weren't being held in place. And as Tater said, they were both thrown back, but the storyline didn't allow for Yoda to win, so GL had him thrown off the pod. Now to analyze their abilities: Yoda - Force: One of the most powerful and experienced masters in the history of the order. There's a reason he's the Grand Master. Sidious - Force: His force lightning didn't seem much more powerful than any other instances of lightning. He was good at battle meditation, but that doesn't help in a 1-on-1 duel. He was more manipulative than skilled. Yoda - Lightsaber: One of the most accomplished users of his form. Seems to never loose a fight, aside from the ROTS duel, which is debatable. He was powerful enough that Dooku had to distract him just to escape from a fight. Sidious - Lightsaber: He did have exceptional lightsaber skills, and was able to kill three highly experienced members of the Jedi Council in under 5 seconds. But let's face it: He lost that duel. He was also disarmed in the fight with Yoda. Not that great, IMO. Yoda - Intelligence: Yoda is also very smart. He is highly successful at exploiting his size, the surrounding area, and the enemies' attacks. Sidious - Intelligence: He's highly manipulative, but that's not very useful in a duel. Beyond that, all he's got is the blind rage necessary for the whole "throw random objects" thing. In otherwords, Yoda. Actually: Force: We haven't seen Sidious and Yoda in all their potential. Just imagine Sidious without his limits. Exactly. Lightsaber: He didn't lose against Mace. He pretended to do so. Intelligence: Sidious is one of the smartest beings in the galaxy. He could do the same things Yoda could do. |
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Post by Namialus on May 31, 2013 22:51:08 GMT -5
Sidious is the most powerful force user ever in my opinion. Ever? Oh no. Even Plagueis is more powerful than him. |
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Post by Namialus on May 31, 2013 22:52:41 GMT -5
Sidious is the most powerful force user ever in my opinion. definitely most powerful Sith Lord. But Luke Skywalker is the most powerful IMO. Nope.  Luke? How? Yoda was more powerful than Luke and Anakin had so much more potential if he had not been limited by his suit. |
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Post by Potato on May 31, 2013 23:34:19 GMT -5
When Yoda blocks off Sidious from leaving you can tell by Sidious' face that he's worried for his life. He knows Yoda has a chance of beating him and is worried for his life and his new rule. Sidious may have been able to defeat the other members of the council easily, but that's because he caught them off guard (he still would have won though, it just would have take a little longer). Still, if Yoda was pitted against those council members he too would have won. And at least Yoda was able to throw one of them back at Sidious. Sidious wasn't able to do anything when the one came back at him. Instead of pushing it back at Yoda, he just made a jump for it to get away. I am sure Sidious could have stopped that one Senate pod thrown at him. He just chose not to. Well, with that logic it's like saying that Yoda could have stopped the ones thrown at him and chose not to. Again, with the facial expressions, it looked like Sidious knew he couldn't stop it at the speed it was coming at. |
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Post by Newan on May 31, 2013 23:39:01 GMT -5
definitely most powerful Sith Lord. But Luke Skywalker is the most powerful IMO. Nope. Luke? How? Yoda was more powerful than Luke and Anakin had so much more potential if he had not been limited by his suit. Luke was Anakins Child he has the same potential as Anakin and he actually achieved that potential and rebuilt the entire order from the ground up. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 10:05:16 GMT -5
Nope. Luke? How? Yoda was more powerful than Luke and Anakin had so much more potential if he had not been limited by his suit. Luke was Anakins Child he has the same potential as Anakin and he actually achieved that potential and rebuilt the entire order from the ground up. Now that we're talking about him, I think Anakin is the most powerful even with the suit. Him or Revan. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 10:10:11 GMT -5
I wrote a long explanation as to why I voted Yoda, and it got deleted. *sigh* Let's do this again. Mace defeated Sidious. Yoda is more powerful than Mace. That's one thing. Now I'll analyze the duel. First, Sidious blasted Yoda with force lightning. If Yoda had made the first move, he could've achieved the same result with a force push. Palps tried to get away. He'd already proved his point about the Jedi, and there was nobody in the Senate Chamber either. Obviously, he wasn't prepared or willing to fight Yoda then and there. After that, they went at it with the sabers. They seemed pretty even, and personally I think it takes Juyo just to keep up with Ataru and maintain some semblance of an offensive. Also, Sidious is later seen running to the high ground with no lightsaber. That indicates that he was disarmed. He then started throwing random objects, a sign of desperation. The only reason it took Yoda a while to throw one back is because Sidious was already pushing, whereas the objects he was throwing weren't being held in place. And as Tater said, they were both thrown back, but the storyline didn't allow for Yoda to win, so GL had him thrown off the pod. Now to analyze their abilities: Yoda - Force: One of the most powerful and experienced masters in the history of the order. There's a reason he's the Grand Master. Sidious - Force: His force lightning didn't seem much more powerful than any other instances of lightning. He was good at battle meditation, but that doesn't help in a 1-on-1 duel. He was more manipulative than skilled. Yoda - Lightsaber: One of the most accomplished users of his form. Seems to never loose a fight, aside from the ROTS duel, which is debatable. He was powerful enough that Dooku had to distract him just to escape from a fight. Sidious - Lightsaber: He did have exceptional lightsaber skills, and was able to kill three highly experienced members of the Jedi Council in under 5 seconds. But let's face it: He lost that duel. He was also disarmed in the fight with Yoda. Not that great, IMO. Yoda - Intelligence: Yoda is also very smart. He is highly successful at exploiting his size, the surrounding area, and the enemies' attacks. Sidious - Intelligence: He's highly manipulative, but that's not very useful in a duel. Beyond that, all he's got is the blind rage necessary for the whole "throw random objects" thing. In otherwords, Yoda. Actually: Force: We haven't seen Sidious and Yoda in all their potential. Just imagine Sidious without his limits. Exactly. Lightsaber: He didn't lose against Mace. He pretended to do so. Intelligence: Sidious is one of the smartest beings in the galaxy. He could do the same things Yoda could do. Force: Imagine Yoda without his. Lightsaber: Mace was the best bladesman in the Jedi order. Sidious focused more on his forced powers and intelligence. Even if it was faked, Mace still would've won. Intelligence: Let's put it this way. If he was the smartest being in the galaxy, how did he not foresee what happened in ROTJ? It doesn't take a genious to figure out that Vader was treacherous to begin with. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 10:11:44 GMT -5
I am sure Sidious could have stopped that one Senate pod thrown at him. He just chose not to. Well, with that logic it's like saying that Yoda could have stopped the ones thrown at him and chose not to. Again, with the facial expressions, it looked like Sidious knew he couldn't stop it at the speed it was coming at. It built up momentum from both Sidious' push and Yoda's. I doubt anybody could've stopped it. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 1, 2013 10:17:04 GMT -5
Luke was Anakins Child he has the same potential as Anakin and he actually achieved that potential and rebuilt the entire order from the ground up. Now that we're talking about him, I think Anakin is the most powerful even with the suit. Him or Revan. Vader is no match for anyone with lighting it will jut overload his suit and Revan is over rated he actually isn't that powerful the Sith Emperor destroyed him. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 10:21:00 GMT -5
Now that we're talking about him, I think Anakin is the most powerful even with the suit. Him or Revan. Vader is no match for anyone with lighting it will jut overload his suit and Revan is over rated he actually isn't that powerful the Sith Emperor destroyed him. SE needed Scourge to distract him in order to do so. Before that, if I'm correct, he was beating the crap out of SE. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jun 1, 2013 10:21:53 GMT -5
The most powerful Sith are the ancient ones, like Naga Sadow, Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall. Also it depends what Sidious we are talking about. The ROTS Sidious is more of Yoda's equal. However the Dark Empire Palpatine could wipe the floor with Yoda. I voted for Yoda because I take it you are referring to the ROTS Sidious. And to me Yoda had the advantage in the Senate fight. And Palpatine probably didn't deliberately let Mace beat him. Because in ROTS book it describes Mace fighting for his life, the only reason he survived was because of Vapaad
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 10:25:08 GMT -5
The most powerful Sith are the ancient ones, like Naga Sadow, Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall. Also it depends what Sidious we are talking about. The ROTS Sidious is more of Yoda's equal. However the Dark Empire Palpatine could wipe the floor with Yoda. I voted for Yoda because I take it you are referring to the ROTS Sidious. And to me Yoda had the advantage in the Senate fight. And Palpatine probably didn't deliberately let Mace beat him. Because in ROTS book it describes Mace fighting for his life, the only reason he survived was because of Vapaad The movies are canon. The book, IMO, is non-canon. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jun 1, 2013 10:27:05 GMT -5
The most powerful Sith are the ancient ones, like Naga Sadow, Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall. Also it depends what Sidious we are talking about. The ROTS Sidious is more of Yoda's equal. However the Dark Empire Palpatine could wipe the floor with Yoda. I voted for Yoda because I take it you are referring to the ROTS Sidious. And to me Yoda had the advantage in the Senate fight. And Palpatine probably didn't deliberately let Mace beat him. Because in ROTS book it describes Mace fighting for his life, the only reason he survived was because of Vapaad The movies are canon. The book, IMO, is non-canon. The book IS canon. G-Canon. I see the IMO you put now. CANON guide: 1st G-Canon: Anything to do with the six movies. Eg. Movie books/films 2nd. T-Canon: Anything on TV to do with Star Wars 3rd. C-Canon: Continuity canon 4th. S-Canon: Secondary canon, minor. 5th N-Canon, Non canon |
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Post by Potato on Jun 1, 2013 11:00:31 GMT -5
Well, with that logic it's like saying that Yoda could have stopped the ones thrown at him and chose not to. Again, with the facial expressions, it looked like Sidious knew he couldn't stop it at the speed it was coming at. It built up momentum from both Sidious' push and Yoda's. I doubt anybody could've stopped it. It didn't have momentum from Sidious. Yoda fully stopped it before he sent it back. |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 1, 2013 11:10:49 GMT -5
Nope. Luke? How? Yoda was more powerful than Luke and Anakin had so much more potential if he had not been limited by his suit. Luke was Anakins Child he has the same potential as Anakin and he actually achieved that potential and rebuilt the entire order from the ground up. He had *a lot* of potential but not the same amount as Anakin. |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 1, 2013 11:11:41 GMT -5
Now that we're talking about him, I think Anakin is the most powerful even with the suit. Him or Revan. Vader is no match for anyone with lighting it will jut overload his suit and Revan is over rated he actually isn't that powerful the Sith Emperor destroyed him. Vader isn't that powerful. |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 1, 2013 11:13:42 GMT -5
Actually: Force: We haven't seen Sidious and Yoda in all their potential. Just imagine Sidious without his limits. Exactly. Lightsaber: He didn't lose against Mace. He pretended to do so. Intelligence: Sidious is one of the smartest beings in the galaxy. He could do the same things Yoda could do. Force: Imagine Yoda without his. Lightsaber: Mace was the best bladesman in the Jedi order. Sidious focused more on his forced powers and intelligence. Even if it was faked, Mace still would've won. Intelligence: Let's put it this way. If he was the smartest being in the galaxy, how did he not foresee what happened in ROTJ? It doesn't take a genious to figure out that Vader was treacherous to begin with. Force: Yoda is a Jedi, he would never remove his limits. That's why Sidious is better. Lightsaber: Mace was? Nope. Yoda was better, and Sidious even more so. Intelligence: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." Sidious was overconfident, he didn't realize that he *could* make a mistake after all those years of success. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 11:17:39 GMT -5
Force: Imagine Yoda without his. Lightsaber: Mace was the best bladesman in the Jedi order. Sidious focused more on his forced powers and intelligence. Even if it was faked, Mace still would've won. Intelligence: Let's put it this way. If he was the smartest being in the galaxy, how did he not foresee what happened in ROTJ? It doesn't take a genious to figure out that Vader was treacherous to begin with. Force: Yoda is a Jedi, he would never remove his limits. That's why Sidious is better. Lightsaber: Mace was? Nope. Yoda was better, and Sidious even more so. Intelligence: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." Sidious was overconfident, he didn't realize that he *could* make a mistake after all those years of success. Force: The fact of the matter is, Sidious didn't ever remove his limits either. So how do we know he even had them? Lightsaber: Actually, He was. That's an established fact. Intelligence: OK. I give you that, but I still think he's more manipulative than intelligent in an actual fight. |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 1, 2013 11:20:08 GMT -5
Force: Yoda is a Jedi, he would never remove his limits. That's why Sidious is better. Lightsaber: Mace was? Nope. Yoda was better, and Sidious even more so. Intelligence: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." Sidious was overconfident, he didn't realize that he *could* make a mistake after all those years of success. Force: The fact of the matter is, Sidious didn't ever remove his limits either. So how do we know he even had them? Lightsaber: Actually, He was. That's an established fact. Intelligence: OK. I give you that, but I still think he's more manipulative than intelligent in an actual fight. Force: That doesn't matter, he beat Yoda with his limits. It just goes to show how much MORE powerful he can get. Lightsaber: Where? Intelligence: You can't be manipulative in a fight. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on Jun 1, 2013 11:24:42 GMT -5
Force: The fact of the matter is, Sidious didn't ever remove his limits either. So how do we know he even had them? Lightsaber: Actually, He was. That's an established fact. Intelligence: OK. I give you that, but I still think he's more manipulative than intelligent in an actual fight. Force: That doesn't matter, he beat Yoda with his limits. It just goes to show how much MORE powerful he can get. Lightsaber: Where? Intelligence: You can't be manipulative in a fight. Force: Whether or not he won is debatable. Lightsaber: I'm pretty certain I saw that on Wookieepedia, on his article. Pressed for time, so I can't find the link. Intelligence: Exactly. |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 1, 2013 13:27:12 GMT -5
Force: That doesn't matter, he beat Yoda with his limits. It just goes to show how much MORE powerful he can get. Lightsaber: Where? Intelligence: You can't be manipulative in a fight. Force: Whether or not he won is debatable. Lightsaber: I'm pretty certain I saw that on Wookieepedia, on his article. Pressed for time, so I can't find the link. Intelligence: Exactly. Lightsaber: Nope, Mace is *one* of the greatest. Yoda is better. Intelligence: He's smart in a fight. |
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Luke? How? Yoda was more powerful than Luke and Anakin had so much more potential if he had not been limited by his suit.
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