Clone Wars Discussion

A reference to ROTS seems a given, but I don't know what reference it would be. Personally I want it to be either Senate, or High ground, but Order 66, or Battle of the Heroes would do

I agree with you. It's the kind of show that should be ranked based on individual story-arcs rather than seasons, since the writing can fluctuate so much between episodes. S6 probably would've been the strongest one yet, but since we only got half of it, I can't really compare it.

I think some of the filler stories got worse because the writers felt the need to drag those stories out for more than one episode. At least in earlier episodes, they knew to keep filler stories to 1-2 episodes. But the quality of other arcs probably also made them look worse too, given that we knew how awesome the show could be.

I think it would have been something related to the Empire tbh "Fall of the Republic" or "Rise of the Empire" actually I think the time between ROTS and ANH is often referred to that last one.

Ok I'm gonna break TCW seasons into halves (besides Season 6) and see of that's easier to rank.

11. Season 5 Part 1
10. Season 1 Part 1
9. Season 3 Part 1
8. Season 1 Part 2
7. Season 2 Part 2
6. Season 2 Part 1
5. Season 4 Part 2
4. Season 4 Part 1
3. Season 6
2. Season 5 Part 2
1. Season 3 Part 2

Just read both Age of Republic graphic novels, they are pretty interesting self contained character stories. It’s cool that most of the either take place pre TPM (Maul and Qui-Gon) or in between episodes 1 and 2 (Kenobi, Dooku and Jango). Only Anakin, Padme and Grievous stories take place during TCW. Although I liked Windus little short story, that was pretty badass. And the little short of Ventress right before she meets Ahsoka in season 5 was cool.

I’d rank them:
1. Jango (just not enough Jango content in the universe and seeing him train with Boba is cool)
2. Maul (Cool Jedi Maul vision and his comics are always cool)
3. Dooku (I want more stuff of Dooku immediately post TPM, again it’s such an unexplored period)
4. Qui-Gon (Again another quite under explored character, always nice to see him in pre TPM stuff)
5. Kenobi (I find the master Kenobi and kid Anakin dynamic usually boring or annoying but it worked well here)
6. Anakin (Would have been a decent standalone clone wars episode tbh, must have taken place almost immediately after he was knighted cause his relation with Yularen was new)
7. Padme (kind of boring but thst basically describes her character, although it had a certain charm to it I guess)
8. Grievous (first few pages are awesome, we need more Jedi killing Grievous but it was the shortest comic and the rest was kind of weird)



Anyways I like these types of comics that give you the characters (protagonist) thoughts and it had cool flashbacks throughout. Will definitely check out the Age of Rebellion ones when they get released as novels in September.

8 years since Carnage of Krell

Wait... What the fuck?!?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/clonewars/comments/gp1chq/the_case_for_season_1/

The Case for Season 1

Will start by saying I grew up with this show and watched it religiously every episode since the beginning. So that is sure to sway my opinion.

I see it recommended quite often that new viewers begin with Season 2 of TCW, sometimes even with Season 3. While I acknowledge the first season is the weakest, I believe it is a mistake to skip it outright, for a couple of reasons.

The first is simply because it introduces a lot of characters that will return later. Rookies introduces Domino Squad, and it would be quite awkward to watch Season 3's Kamino Arc with Hevy seemingly being killed offscreen. Hondo and Cad Bane are introduced here, and while you can basically figure these guys out starting with any episode they're in, I think both of their introductions here are memorable and effective.

If you want to continue with Rebels after TCW, I think it is a lot better to know who Cham Syndulla is from the Ryloth Arc. Additionally, a moment like Waxer's death on Umbara is going to be a lot less powerful if you skip those episodes. Plo Koon's character is wonderfully expanded in this show, and while he still is a great character later on, I think you lose something if you don't learn what his relationship is with Ahsoka.

A big complaint with this season is that it's just too basic. There aren't many twists and turns. Nearly every episode is just clones vs droids, ship vs ship, Jedi vs interchangeable Separatist bad-guy, etc. And yes, it is very simple for that reason. But I think it is important to establish that baseline, and it makes later seasons more rewarding when we break away from it.

For example, in Season 1, Asajj Ventress appears as a pretty one dimensional bad guy. And then in later seasons she becomes way more interesting. I think it is important to see her as she was in order to appreciate her change and growth.

Similarly, Ahsoka is quite immature in this season and she was a big turn-off for many viewers. But if you skip to the days where she has already learned her basic lessons and has become a more capable Jedi, you're missing a crucial part of her character arc. It's rewarding to see how strong she becomes particularly because of where she started. Her successes later on are much more satisfying if you experience her early failures, misconceptions, and mistakes.

My last point is simply that I believe this season is far better than it is made out to be. It's simple, yes, but its pretty consistently good. There are really only two episodes which I think are flat-out bad. (Downfall of a Droid & Bombad Jedi)

The rest of them are at least "good" with some stellar episodes such as Rookies, Dooku Captured, Trespass, and Hostage Crisis.

And it's not as "kiddie" as you might be led to believe. Sure there's no decapitations in this season, but you still have episodes like Lair of Grievous, which is pretty eerie and brutal, and episodes which have a lot of maturity like Liberty on Ryloth and Hostage Crisis.

For these reasons, I think you should at least watch some of Season 1. I find something to enjoy in all of the episodes, but if you just want the essentials, I would watch the following episodes:

1x02: Rising Malevolence

1x03: Shadow of Malevolence

1x04: Destroy Malevolence

1x05: Rookies

1x09: Cloak of Darkness

1x10: Lair of Grievous

1x11: Dooku Captured

1x12: The Gungan General

1x15: Trespass

1x16: The Hidden Enemy

1x19: Storm over Ryloth

1x20: Innocents of Ryloth

1x21: Liberty on Ryloth

1x22: Hostage Crisis

Yeah that season tends to get a bit too much hate or just ignored in the mix. Ryloth is still one of my favorite arcs with the way the 3 episodes were split up.

And I really appreciate how season 1 probably was the best season at showcasing different Jedi. It gave us episodes featuring Plo, Yoda, Mace, Aayla, Kit Fisto, Luminara all in leading roles in their respective episodes.

Tbh they might've never shown Gregor again he was probably just stuck into Rebels for views

That arc probably would've shown how Rex knew how to fly the Y-Wing though. I don't think we've ever seen him fly anything before

It’s a cursed phrase now but it’s true that “there’s good and bad both sides”

But the fact that is so taboo to say that is a perfect indicator of the problem. There are loud voices on both sides that deny that reality and are so convinced their side is virtuous and the other should be stamped out at all costs.

There always will be people like that but it’s fine as long as they are small minorities that balance each other out. But now you have the majority of institutions such as Hollywood, Academia, and the Mainstream Media have all bought into that.

That’s how you get a cancel culture that is actually effective at destroying people’s lives for “wrong think”