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Sept 12, 2023 21:32:49 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 12, 2023 21:32:49 GMT -5
Man have I just lost touch with reality? I thought this was the first actually bad episode. They actually released this episode in theaters... This was supposed to be the break the Internet episode?? What is happening???
I thought the entire Anakin sequence was so bad. I mean Hayden was fantastic, he always does the best he can with questionable material. But yeah everything about it was just no good. Most of the dialogue was bad, cheesy, or shallow. The visuals of the clone wars battle looked very cheap and fan film level. Like it was from OWK. I would actually forgive that stuff but the problem is none of it really made sense.
Why are Anakin and Ahsoka fighting? What exactly is Anakin's lesson/message to her? What purpose do the flashback battles serve? I want to appreciate that they included TCW stuff like Anakin's armor, battle of Teth, Rex, etc. because it's neat but ultimately it didn't look particularly impressive and to me felt like meaningless fan service.
The issue is there was no depth or substance here whatsoever. They don't really address the Vader stuff, we don't know how much Ahsoka even knows about Anakin's redemption. Guilt and/or forgiveness could've been good themes to explore here but there is just nothing emotional. Anakin was so useless, I would say that it was just Ahsoka's mind making stuff up and not actually his ghost talking to her.
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Sept 13, 2023 15:42:08 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 13, 2023 15:42:08 GMT -5
Wow, that had to be one of the most surreal bits of Star Wars I've seen on screen. It was just a fever dream and I guess it technically was supposed to be lol. Have to say though seeing Hayden back like this was like meeting again with a very old friend you haven't seen properly in ages. I was kinda wanting it when Obi-Wan came out, but now this just confirms my wish they'd make a movie based in the Clone Wars with Hayden and Ewan back at it.
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Sept 13, 2023 15:45:57 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 13, 2023 15:45:57 GMT -5
Man have I just lost touch with reality? I thought this was the first actually bad episode. They actually released this episode in theaters... This was supposed to be the break the Internet episode?? What is happening??? I thought the entire Anakin sequence was so bad. I mean Hayden was fantastic, he always does the best he can with questionable material. But yeah everything about it was just no good. Most of the dialogue was bad, cheesy, or shallow. The visuals of the clone wars battle looked very cheap and fan film level. Like it was from OWK. I would actually forgive that stuff but the problem is none of it really made sense. Why are Anakin and Ahsoka fighting? What exactly is Anakin's lesson/message to her? What purpose do the flashback battles serve? I want to appreciate that they included TCW stuff like Anakin's armor, battle of Teth, Rex, etc. because it's neat but ultimately it didn't look particularly impressive and to me felt like meaningless fan service. The issue is there was no depth or substance here whatsoever. They don't really address the Vader stuff, we don't know how much Ahsoka even knows about Anakin's redemption. Guilt and/or forgiveness could've been good themes to explore here but there is just nothing emotional. Anakin was so useless, I would say that it was just Ahsoka's mind making stuff up and not actually his ghost talking to her. I appreciate what it's displayed to us, but I think you're right on the silly vagueness of it all. I'm not asking for it to be in your face, but I'd like some substance to the answers. Maybe it gets touched on in a later episode where Ahsoka has another vision, but it did seem strangely lacking in detail on what it all meant. Having such a ridiculously broad question of "do you want to live or die" with a distinct lack of context is very odd. I really hope the next episode or the one after follows on from this, because it feels like it just partially opened a door but didn't open it fully if that makes sense |
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Sept 13, 2023 16:53:08 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 13, 2023 16:53:08 GMT -5
Man have I just lost touch with reality? I thought this was the first actually bad episode. They actually released this episode in theaters... This was supposed to be the break the Internet episode?? What is happening??? I thought the entire Anakin sequence was so bad. I mean Hayden was fantastic, he always does the best he can with questionable material. But yeah everything about it was just no good. Most of the dialogue was bad, cheesy, or shallow. The visuals of the clone wars battle looked very cheap and fan film level. Like it was from OWK. I would actually forgive that stuff but the problem is none of it really made sense. Why are Anakin and Ahsoka fighting? What exactly is Anakin's lesson/message to her? What purpose do the flashback battles serve? I want to appreciate that they included TCW stuff like Anakin's armor, battle of Teth, Rex, etc. because it's neat but ultimately it didn't look particularly impressive and to me felt like meaningless fan service. The issue is there was no depth or substance here whatsoever. They don't really address the Vader stuff, we don't know how much Ahsoka even knows about Anakin's redemption. Guilt and/or forgiveness could've been good themes to explore here but there is just nothing emotional. Anakin was so useless, I would say that it was just Ahsoka's mind making stuff up and not actually his ghost talking to her. I appreciate what it's displayed to us, but I think you're right on the silly vagueness of it all. I'm not asking for it to be in your face, but I'd like some substance to the answers. Maybe it gets touched on in a later episode where Ahsoka has another vision, but it did seem strangely lacking in detail on what it all meant. Having such a ridiculously broad question of "do you want to live or die" with a distinct lack of context is very odd. I really hope the next episode or the one after follows on from this, because it feels like it just partially opened a door but didn't open it fully if that makes sense I think Filoni intentionally kept things vague about the mystical stuff so you could come up with your own interpretations but Anakin's lesson really needed to be solid to be a good character moment. I guess he is telling her she has to fight to live? And reminding her how he taught her to fight. But just telling her to fight over and over is kind of lame and odd that that is the biggest takeaway from years of Jedi training. Some nuanced perspective of Jedi philosophy could've worked. And they can't dance around the elephant in the room that is Vader. I think they should've called him by name and treated him as a separate entity from Anakin. Twice now Filoni has squandered opportunities to have huge moments for Star Wars. Ahsoka and Luke meeting for the first time and talking about Anakin or Ahsoka and Anakin's ghost talking about his redemption. We're never going to see that stuff on screen now. Maybe I need to watch it again but I'm not gonna lie on first watch this episode straight up made me angry lol. After his Luke episode in BOBF and this Anakin nonsense I think I'm officially a Filoni hater now... |
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Sept 13, 2023 17:06:43 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 13, 2023 17:06:43 GMT -5
I'm also worried that Thrawn and Ezra will only have a few minutes of screen time in the final episode. They will probably be wasted and underutilized just like Moff Gideon in all three seasons.
The pacing for this show has also suddenly become too slow I would say. Very little has happened after the second episode. They clearly did not have much material to lengthen the actual search for Thrawn so they are just stretching out the episodes with random fight scenes and whatnot. No plot, worldbuilding, or character development is being shown. The average TCW episode honestly has more emotion, character depth, tighter plot writing, and clearer message. I think if this episode was cut out entirely the show would be better.
Sucks that it feels like we're back to typical Disney+ drivel. I thought the first four episodes were actually pretty good and felt like a change from their series of Ls but 5 really felt like an OWK episode to me. I think I heard some rumors about them repurposing OWK cut footage for the flashbacks but not sure. I don't think these shows are working, they all feel low quality and just aren't compelling. I would like them to stop the shows and go back to movies. Or at least do animation only for shows.
But entirely possible I'm overreacting because of one episode I didn't like... lol. But nah tbh what little hype had been garnered has totally exited my system now.
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Sept 13, 2023 17:25:57 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 13, 2023 17:25:57 GMT -5
I appreciate what it's displayed to us, but I think you're right on the silly vagueness of it all. I'm not asking for it to be in your face, but I'd like some substance to the answers. Maybe it gets touched on in a later episode where Ahsoka has another vision, but it did seem strangely lacking in detail on what it all meant. Having such a ridiculously broad question of "do you want to live or die" with a distinct lack of context is very odd. I really hope the next episode or the one after follows on from this, because it feels like it just partially opened a door but didn't open it fully if that makes sense I think Filoni intentionally kept things vague about the mystical stuff so you could come up with your own interpretations but Anakin's lesson really needed to be solid to be a good character moment. I guess he is telling her she has to fight to live? And reminding her how he taught her to fight. But just telling her to fight over and over is kind of lame and odd that that is the biggest takeaway from years of Jedi training. Some nuanced perspective of Jedi philosophy could've worked. And they can't dance around the elephant in the room that is Vader. I think they should've called him by name and treated him as a separate entity from Anakin. Twice now Filoni has squandered opportunities to have huge moments for Star Wars. Ahsoka and Luke meeting for the first time and talking about Anakin or Ahsoka and Anakin's ghost talking about his redemption. We're never going to see that stuff on screen now. Maybe I need to watch it again but I'm not gonna lie on first watch this episode straight up made me angry lol. After his Luke episode in BOBF and this Anakin nonsense I think I'm officially a Filoni hater now... Yeah, the whole lesson was meant to, I'm assuming, give Ahsoka a reignited resolve? But she already had a resolve to find Thrawn and Ezra, so this doesn't make a lot of sense. Would have faired better if there was more depth to Anakin "finishing her training". My guess is Dave kind of run out of creative steam to think of a more nuanced conclusion. |
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Sept 13, 2023 19:11:14 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 13, 2023 19:11:14 GMT -5
Hmm part of me likes this episode and part of me hates it. I really honestly wanted something with The Ones. There seems to be all these little tidbits in the show that are going nowhere and at this point I guess they can only be explained as Easter Eggs or callbacks.
I LOVED Hayden… that was really cool. He looked awesome in those Clone Wars outfits and his very physical lightsaber style is always a joy to watch. He’s probably my favourite live action fighter. Also that little bit of No Suit, Red Saber Vader was pretty cool, kind of a What If thing. Anakin was total fan service, and this episode was mostly filler, but it was fun just like Episode 5 of BoBF where Mando took over.
Other then that… well there’s no much here. The New Republic is still incompetent. I’m glad that Ahsoka found another way to get Sabine, I think it would have been dumb to just use the World Between Worlds.
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Sept 13, 2023 19:12:45 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 13, 2023 19:12:45 GMT -5
Dave is really trying his hardest to do a Clone Wars live action movie or Show…. Honestly would love Ewan, Hayden, and whoever else wants to come back to do one spin-off film in The Clone Wars. They probably only got a few years left before they really get to old, but a movie budget could deage them better.
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Sept 13, 2023 19:16:30 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 13, 2023 19:16:30 GMT -5
So realistically what’s gonna be the Twist here? My predictions are that Ezra is aligned with Thrawn (likely imo) or Thrawn will actually be the good guy.
In theory there should be Thrawn, Ezra and legions of Imperial Troops wherever they are. It seems likely that Ezra would work with Thrawn, and honestly if Thrawn revealed his real motivations for joining the Empire to Ezra I’d bet Ezra would understand. Thrawn was cast out from the Chiss Ascendancy and joined the Empire to gather forces to defend his home world. I think it’s likely Thrawn might ally himself with the New Republic against the big bad… OR they will go EU way and he will try and destroy the New Republic first to make a united galaxy.
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Sept 13, 2023 19:17:47 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 13, 2023 19:17:47 GMT -5
I'm also worried that Thrawn and Ezra will only have a few minutes of screen time in the final episode. They will probably be wasted and underutilized just like Moff Gideon in all three seasons. The pacing for this show has also suddenly become too slow I would say. Very little has happened after the second episode. They clearly did not have much material to lengthen the actual search for Thrawn so they are just stretching out the episodes with random fight scenes and whatnot. No plot, worldbuilding, or character development is being shown. The average TCW episode honestly has more emotion, character depth, tighter plot writing, and clearer message. I think if this episode was cut out entirely the show would be better. Sucks that it feels like we're back to typical Disney+ drivel. I thought the first four episodes were actually pretty good and felt like a change from their series of Ls but 5 really felt like an OWK episode to me. I think I heard some rumors about them repurposing OWK cut footage for the flashbacks but not sure. I don't think these shows are working, they all feel low quality and just aren't compelling. I would like them to stop the shows and go back to movies. Or at least do animation only for shows. But entirely possible I'm overreacting because of one episode I didn't like... lol. But nah tbh what little hype had been garnered has totally exited my system now. I think this will indeed just be a mini series, I can’t see a justification for season 2 with Ahsokas name on it |
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Sept 14, 2023 8:30:06 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 14, 2023 8:30:06 GMT -5
Dave is really trying his hardest to do a Clone Wars live action movie or Show…. Honestly would love Ewan, Hayden, and whoever else wants to come back to do one spin-off film in The Clone Wars. They probably only got a few years left before they really get to old, but a movie budget could deage them better. They should just do a live action clone wars movie at this point, just get it over with and out of everyone's system. All the fans want it. They've put TCW/prequel flashbacks in like every show now and most of the times it has been unnecessary fan service on a cheap looking set. I think with each flashback, it feels less and less special or impressive. A proper movie with all its resources dedicated to that time period is the only way to do it justice I'm also worried that Thrawn and Ezra will only have a few minutes of screen time in the final episode. They will probably be wasted and underutilized just like Moff Gideon in all three seasons. The pacing for this show has also suddenly become too slow I would say. Very little has happened after the second episode. They clearly did not have much material to lengthen the actual search for Thrawn so they are just stretching out the episodes with random fight scenes and whatnot. No plot, worldbuilding, or character development is being shown. The average TCW episode honestly has more emotion, character depth, tighter plot writing, and clearer message. I think if this episode was cut out entirely the show would be better. Sucks that it feels like we're back to typical Disney+ drivel. I thought the first four episodes were actually pretty good and felt like a change from their series of Ls but 5 really felt like an OWK episode to me. I think I heard some rumors about them repurposing OWK cut footage for the flashbacks but not sure. I don't think these shows are working, they all feel low quality and just aren't compelling. I would like them to stop the shows and go back to movies. Or at least do animation only for shows. But entirely possible I'm overreacting because of one episode I didn't like... lol. But nah tbh what little hype had been garnered has totally exited my system now. I think this will indeed just be a mini series, I can’t see a justification for season 2 with Ahsokas name on it I've heard rumors that the ending of the show "demands a season 2". Idk if that will happen. If it depends on the performance then it's probably unlikely because first couple episodes were tracking lower than Andor. I feel like it could pick up though from word of mouth |
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Sept 14, 2023 8:40:08 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 14, 2023 8:40:08 GMT -5
Hmm part of me likes this episode and part of me hates it. I really honestly wanted something with The Ones. There seems to be all these little tidbits in the show that are going nowhere and at this point I guess they can only be explained as Easter Eggs or callbacks. I LOVED Hayden… that was really cool. He looked awesome in those Clone Wars outfits and his very physical lightsaber style is always a joy to watch. He’s probably my favourite live action fighter. Also that little bit of No Suit, Red Saber Vader was pretty cool, kind of a What If thing. Anakin was total fan service, and this episode was mostly filler, but it was fun just like Episode 5 of BoBF where Mando took over. Other than that… well there’s no much here. The New Republic is still incompetent. I’m glad that Ahsoka found another way to get Sabine, I think it would have been dumb to just use the World Between Worlds. This is my biggest issue with Filoni that has been present in all of his non TCW shows. They drop these little bits that naturally lead to a lot of speculation and theories. But they never deliver on them. Like I get that fans often have dumb theories and it might be unrealistic to expect them to materialize but it feels like with Filoni, he sets up something with the potential for an epic pay off but he never goes all the way, he chooses the quickest and safest path. I agree about Hayden though, I always love watching him move. That signature behind the back flourish he does is my favorite. I wonder if he's still drawing from the prequel choreography if he remembers it. Everyone else looks like they don't know what they're doing but Hayden always looks very focused. Actually I'd say Shin handled the lightsaber pretty well in her fight scenes too. I imagine they just aren't able to spend too much time on the choreography |
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Sept 14, 2023 9:48:00 GMT -5
Post by Star on Sept 14, 2023 9:48:00 GMT -5
I think I'll need to let this episode sit with me for a while to know how I really feel about it, but my initial reaction is positive. Like you've all said, I loved Hayden throughout this episode. Watching him wield his red lightsaber without his suit was wild.
I like the vagueness of Anakin's final lesson. The simplicity of "live or die" reminds me of Yoda training Luke with his "do or do not" saying, and it matches the mysticism of the OT. I interpret Anakin's lesson as challenging Ahsoka to "live" and not succumb to her fears, which are a mix of Anakin's darkness residing in her and that she failed Anakin by not being there to prevent his downfall.
Since she left the Order, we've seen a more stolid Ahsoka. I think this mindset stems from a fear that expressing her emotions will set her down the same path as Anakin. During Ryloth, Anakin says everything he is lives in her, to which Ahsoka then says at Mandalore that she can only cause destruction if that's the case. So throughout the episode, Anakin wants Ahsoka to realize she can accept her past, including the potential for darkness within her, and not be defined by it based on his life choices.
Ultimately, Ahsoka realizes she can determine how to handle her legacy and chooses to "live" by not killing Anakin. It mirrors Luke's decision to not kill Vader in ROTJ, down to the way they toss Vader's lightsaber. Both Ahsoka and Luke temporarily gave into fear and anger, as if they are destined to the same path as their master/father, but managed to come back to the light. Based off memory, Yoda might even have a brief instance like this in his S6 arc?
Not sure any of you will agree with this view, but there's a lot of ways to dissect this. My main flaws with the episode are that it should've focused entirely on Anakin and Ahsoka, or at least after the first scene when Jacen mentions the fight in the water. That would've given it more room to breathe and develop the lesson. Also, it would've been nice to have a bit less fog for Ryloth and Mandalore. I get there are budget constraints and it adds a "dream-like" quality, but it was a little distracting.
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Sept 14, 2023 11:23:58 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 14, 2023 11:23:58 GMT -5
Hmm part of me likes this episode and part of me hates it. I really honestly wanted something with The Ones. There seems to be all these little tidbits in the show that are going nowhere and at this point I guess they can only be explained as Easter Eggs or callbacks. I LOVED Hayden… that was really cool. He looked awesome in those Clone Wars outfits and his very physical lightsaber style is always a joy to watch. He’s probably my favourite live action fighter. Also that little bit of No Suit, Red Saber Vader was pretty cool, kind of a What If thing. Anakin was total fan service, and this episode was mostly filler, but it was fun just like Episode 5 of BoBF where Mando took over. Other than that… well there’s no much here. The New Republic is still incompetent. I’m glad that Ahsoka found another way to get Sabine, I think it would have been dumb to just use the World Between Worlds. This is my biggest issue with Filoni that has been present in all of his non TCW shows. They drop these little bits that naturally lead to a lot of speculation and theories. But they never deliver on them. Like I get that fans often have dumb theories and it might be unrealistic to expect them to materialize but it feels like with Filoni, he sets up something with the potential for an epic pay off but he never goes all the way, he chooses the quickest and safest path. I agree about Hayden though, I always love watching him move. That signature behind the back flourish he does is my favorite. I wonder if he's still drawing from the prequel choreography if he remembers it. Everyone else looks like they don't know what they're doing but Hayden always looks very focused. Actually I'd say Shin handled the lightsaber pretty well in her fight scenes too. I imagine they just aren't able to spend too much time on the choreography Given how Hayden spent months training for AOTC and ROTS, I suspect a lot of muscle memory is still there. Plus, given how he's been a fanboy like us before all this, my friend suggested he must have been practicing at home all this time for fun  |
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Sept 14, 2023 15:09:45 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 14, 2023 15:09:45 GMT -5
I agree Star, I would've taken a shorter episode if it meant just focusing on Ahsoka and Anakin. A scene with Hera searching for them is fine but I don't think they needed to cut back and forth that much.
Speaking of Hera, it feels like she is flexing her General rank in every episode like we get it lol. Also kinda dumb that the NR does not approve any ships for the proposed Thrawn mission yet sends a whole fleet just to reprimand a couple of pilots... NR is such a joke
Also conspiracy theory/cope time: there was a leak about the Mustafar duel being in this but with Ahsoka fighting Anakin. Supposedly it was cut late into production. I wonder if the flashbacks we ultimately got here were last minute reshoots. I mean I get creating a dream like vibe but ultimately they are using a fog machine to disguise their lack of set pieces...
Don't know why I can't get over the visuals for those scenes. But like the rest of the show I think looks pretty good, even the Seatos scenes in this same episode so this drop in quality was a little jarring. I guess it happens though. Mando S2 didn't look cheap until the Boba episode. Maybe it's hard to evenly spread out the budget over multiple episodes. Another argument for going back to movies...
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Sept 14, 2023 16:19:17 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 14, 2023 16:19:17 GMT -5
Okay I watched the Anakin scenes again and alright... Maybe I was ripping into it too hard. I guess it's not that bad, even the visuals are not as bad as I was remembering. Still don't love it and think it could've been executed a lot better but I can see why people like it.
I get the fight to survive thing. I think my problem is with the Vader stuff. At a certain point Ahsoka is talking about how if Anakin's teachings are part of their legacy then Vader is part of that legacy too.
Anakin's reaction "is that what this is about?" just makes me laugh when it probably shouldn't lol. Ahsoka throwing away the saber and rejecting Vader/the dark side kinda makes sense. But at the same time it contradicts the "fight to survive" message...
And Anakin fighting her as Vader also doesn't make sense to me. I would've liked him to show some remorse or something. A couple extra lines of dialogue to clarify certain things would've gone a long way. Otherwise I just feel like I'm doing mental gymnastics to make sense of something that doesn't and I don't want to do that
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Post by Newan on Sept 14, 2023 18:17:54 GMT -5
Dave is really trying his hardest to do a Clone Wars live action movie or Show…. Honestly would love Ewan, Hayden, and whoever else wants to come back to do one spin-off film in The Clone Wars. They probably only got a few years left before they really get to old, but a movie budget could deage them better. They should just do a live action clone wars movie at this point, just get it over with and out of everyone's system. All the fans want it. They've put TCW/prequel flashbacks in like every show now and most of the times it has been unnecessary fan service on a cheap looking set. I think with each flashback, it feels less and less special or impressive. A proper movie with all its resources dedicated to that time period is the only way to do it justice I think this will indeed just be a mini series, I can’t see a justification for season 2 with Ahsokas name on it I've heard rumors that the ending of the show "demands a season 2". Idk if that will happen. If it depends on the performance then it's probably unlikely because first couple episodes were tracking lower than Andor. I feel like it could pick up though from word of mouth Hmm… honestly I don’t even think this season should have the Ahsoka name on it, she’s honestly one of the least interesting parts of the show imo. This is basically a Rebels sequel. Baylon, Shin, Morgan, Thrawn, Sabine, Huyang are all more interesting to me then Ahsoka. Thrawn hasn’t even been on screen yet… How would you go about a one off Clone Wars movie that fits in our current canon? It’s probably a little tricky since it likely can’t involve Dooku. But no doubt actors like Samuel L Jackson and Ian Mcdiarmid would come back I think. I guess something involving Maul could be cool on the big screen, but that usually cuts Anakin out of the picture and I’d want Hayden to be a part of it. Honestly adapting Labyrinth of Evil would be the way to do it IMO, have Anakin and Kenobi come close to finding the identity of Sidious, that was a really good book back in the day. Would tie into Episode 3 really well like Rogue One does for ANH. |
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Sept 14, 2023 18:21:56 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 14, 2023 18:21:56 GMT -5
Hmm part of me likes this episode and part of me hates it. I really honestly wanted something with The Ones. There seems to be all these little tidbits in the show that are going nowhere and at this point I guess they can only be explained as Easter Eggs or callbacks. I LOVED Hayden… that was really cool. He looked awesome in those Clone Wars outfits and his very physical lightsaber style is always a joy to watch. He’s probably my favourite live action fighter. Also that little bit of No Suit, Red Saber Vader was pretty cool, kind of a What If thing. Anakin was total fan service, and this episode was mostly filler, but it was fun just like Episode 5 of BoBF where Mando took over. Other than that… well there’s no much here. The New Republic is still incompetent. I’m glad that Ahsoka found another way to get Sabine, I think it would have been dumb to just use the World Between Worlds. This is my biggest issue with Filoni that has been present in all of his non TCW shows. They drop these little bits that naturally lead to a lot of speculation and theories. But they never deliver on them. Like I get that fans often have dumb theories and it might be unrealistic to expect them to materialize but it feels like with Filoni, he sets up something with the potential for an epic pay off but he never goes all the way, he chooses the quickest and safest path. I agree about Hayden though, I always love watching him move. That signature behind the back flourish he does is my favorite. I wonder if he's still drawing from the prequel choreography if he remembers it. Everyone else looks like they don't know what they're doing but Hayden always looks very focused. Actually I'd say Shin handled the lightsaber pretty well in her fight scenes too. I imagine they just aren't able to spend too much time on the choreography Yeah I think Hayden definitely still has his old moves in the back of his head from the prequels. I really need to give Kenobi a second watch, but did Ewan do any of his signature moves in the second Vader fight? Probably not since they made the character of Kenobi very rundown due to cutting himself off. I just think Hayden handles the saber props better then almost anyone, Ray Park is probably the only person that beats him. I think Park is an elite martial artist with swords though? |
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Sept 14, 2023 19:00:34 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 14, 2023 19:00:34 GMT -5
They should just do a live action clone wars movie at this point, just get it over with and out of everyone's system. All the fans want it. They've put TCW/prequel flashbacks in like every show now and most of the times it has been unnecessary fan service on a cheap looking set. I think with each flashback, it feels less and less special or impressive. A proper movie with all its resources dedicated to that time period is the only way to do it justice I've heard rumors that the ending of the show "demands a season 2". Idk if that will happen. If it depends on the performance then it's probably unlikely because first couple episodes were tracking lower than Andor. I feel like it could pick up though from word of mouth Hmm… honestly I don’t even think this season should have the Ahsoka name on it, she’s honestly one of the least interesting parts of the show imo. This is basically a Rebels sequel. Baylon, Shin, Morgan, Thrawn, Sabine, Huyang are all more interesting to me then Ahsoka. Thrawn hasn’t even been on screen yet… How would you go about a one off Clone Wars movie that fits in our current canon? It’s probably a little tricky since it likely can’t involve Dooku. But no doubt actors like Samuel L Jackson and Ian Mcdiarmid would come back I think. I guess something involving Maul could be cool on the big screen, but that usually cuts Anakin out of the picture and I’d want Hayden to be a part of it. Honestly adapting Labyrinth of Evil would be the way to do it IMO, have Anakin and Kenobi come close to finding the identity of Sidious, that was a really good book back in the day. Would tie into Episode 3 really well like Rogue One does for ANH. Since everyone's going to have different expectations for an adaptation, I think it would be safer to do a new plot. Though if they had to turn an existing story into a movie, honestly they could just remake the TCW movie and improve on it. Or if I had to pick a TCW arc to turn into a movie, I'd pick Landing at Point Rain or the Ryloth 3 parter. Dooku can be recast if they need him, I think Charles Dance would make an excellent Dooku I was actually thinking (in an alternate universe where they are good at making shows...) they could make a Plo Koon series. Could be interesting to follow one of the side prequel Jedi during the war or create a new Jedi character that evokes them |
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Sept 15, 2023 12:39:15 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 15, 2023 12:39:15 GMT -5
Hmm… honestly I don’t even think this season should have the Ahsoka name on it, she’s honestly one of the least interesting parts of the show imo. This is basically a Rebels sequel. Baylon, Shin, Morgan, Thrawn, Sabine, Huyang are all more interesting to me then Ahsoka. Thrawn hasn’t even been on screen yet… How would you go about a one off Clone Wars movie that fits in our current canon? It’s probably a little tricky since it likely can’t involve Dooku. But no doubt actors like Samuel L Jackson and Ian Mcdiarmid would come back I think. I guess something involving Maul could be cool on the big screen, but that usually cuts Anakin out of the picture and I’d want Hayden to be a part of it. Honestly adapting Labyrinth of Evil would be the way to do it IMO, have Anakin and Kenobi come close to finding the identity of Sidious, that was a really good book back in the day. Would tie into Episode 3 really well like Rogue One does for ANH. Since everyone's going to have different expectations for an adaptation, I think it would be safer to do a new plot. Though if they had to turn an existing story into a movie, honestly they could just remake the TCW movie and improve on it. Or if I had to pick a TCW arc to turn into a movie, I'd pick Landing at Point Rain or the Ryloth 3 parter. Dooku can be recast if they need him, I think Charles Dance would make an excellent Dooku I was actually thinking (in an alternate universe where they are good at making shows...) they could make a Plo Koon series. Could be interesting to follow one of the side prequel Jedi during the war or create a new Jedi character that evokes them Much as I love Charles Dance, the idea of recasting Christoper Lee is just a bridge too far for me personally I'd prefer they just kind of leave Dooku to the side and have someone else instead. Would be cool having Ventress involved as we haven't seen her live version. Actually, that reminds me, why don't they just bite the bullet and animate that Dark Disciple novel? |
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Sept 18, 2023 9:51:36 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 18, 2023 9:51:36 GMT -5
Hmm… honestly I don’t even think this season should have the Ahsoka name on it, she’s honestly one of the least interesting parts of the show imo. This is basically a Rebels sequel. Baylon, Shin, Morgan, Thrawn, Sabine, Huyang are all more interesting to me then Ahsoka. Thrawn hasn’t even been on screen yet… How would you go about a one off Clone Wars movie that fits in our current canon? It’s probably a little tricky since it likely can’t involve Dooku. But no doubt actors like Samuel L Jackson and Ian Mcdiarmid would come back I think. I guess something involving Maul could be cool on the big screen, but that usually cuts Anakin out of the picture and I’d want Hayden to be a part of it. Honestly adapting Labyrinth of Evil would be the way to do it IMO, have Anakin and Kenobi come close to finding the identity of Sidious, that was a really good book back in the day. Would tie into Episode 3 really well like Rogue One does for ANH. Since everyone's going to have different expectations for an adaptation, I think it would be safer to do a new plot. Though if they had to turn an existing story into a movie, honestly they could just remake the TCW movie and improve on it. Or if I had to pick a TCW arc to turn into a movie, I'd pick Landing at Point Rain or the Ryloth 3 parter. Dooku can be recast if they need him, I think Charles Dance would make an excellent Dooku I was actually thinking (in an alternate universe where they are good at making shows...) they could make a Plo Koon series. Could be interesting to follow one of the side prequel Jedi during the war or create a new Jedi character that evokes them Oh that’s interesting. I would like to see Charles Dance in Star Wars now tbh. He would be a really good Sith, honestly they could recast Tarkin as Charles Dance too and that would probably fit even better than Dooku. Honestly as much as I’d like to see Hayden and Ewan back again, at the same time I think Clone Wars has been explored enough. Better to just go do Old Republic which is what most of the fandom wants |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 18, 2023 17:50:16 GMT -5
Since everyone's going to have different expectations for an adaptation, I think it would be safer to do a new plot. Though if they had to turn an existing story into a movie, honestly they could just remake the TCW movie and improve on it. Or if I had to pick a TCW arc to turn into a movie, I'd pick Landing at Point Rain or the Ryloth 3 parter. Dooku can be recast if they need him, I think Charles Dance would make an excellent Dooku I was actually thinking (in an alternate universe where they are good at making shows...) they could make a Plo Koon series. Could be interesting to follow one of the side prequel Jedi during the war or create a new Jedi character that evokes them Oh that’s interesting. I would like to see Charles Dance in Star Wars now tbh. He would be a really good Sith, honestly they could recast Tarkin as Charles Dance too and that would probably fit even better than Dooku. Honestly as much as I’d like to see Hayden and Ewan back again, at the same time I think Clone Wars has been explored enough. Better to just go do Old Republic which is what most of the fandom wants Me and my brother always thought if they ever adapted that Plagueis novel, Dance would be perfect as Plagueis and maybe even have Tom Hiddleston as a young Palpatine |
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Sept 19, 2023 21:34:20 GMT -5
Post by Star on Sept 19, 2023 21:34:20 GMT -5
I really enjoyed episode 6, and it did a good job of moving things along in the story. Having Thrawn and Ezra show up this episode was a relief, I'm glad they chose not to hold off on them even longer. I loved Thrawn's intro in the hanger, and I'm so happy they kept the organ in his theme.
It's interesting to see him working with the Nightsisters. I wonder if the Night Troopers have been subjected to their magick. Also the fact Thrawn's allied with the Nightsisters helps justify why Elsbeth is serving him.
Lots of cool visuals in this, from the worn down Chimaera to the Purgill graveyard. I thought Ezra's actor did a good job portraying the character based on the short time we saw him here. Both Thrawn and him feel like natural continuations of their Rebels selves.
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Sept 19, 2023 21:45:09 GMT -5
Post by Star on Sept 19, 2023 21:45:09 GMT -5
I'm glad we finally got some meaningful dialogue between Baylan and Shin that revealed more with their histories and motivations. I'm getting the sense that Baylan may not stay by Thrawn's side much longer though, especially if Thrawn abandons him. Also I like that Shin doesn't seem totally convinced by Bylan's goal of resetting everything so the same cycle doesn't continue. It's possible she may leave him for Thrawn, since she seems more focused on gaining immediate power.
On a side note, the reference to Peridea formally being the Witch Kingdom of the Dathomiri was interesting. They're an ancient people, so it would make sense for them to have origins from beyond the main galaxy. I also wonder if Bylan's comment about Thrawn wanting to leave means there is some greater threat out there, or if nothing will come of that.
Captain Enoch's helmet design is also very cool. Reminds me a little of a Praetorian Guard.
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Post by Star on Sept 19, 2023 21:49:19 GMT -5
It seems a little strange that Thrawn knew Baylan but didn't know Ahsoka. I didn't read the Clone Wars Thrawn trilogy, but I always assumed that when he met Anakin in those, he would've found out about Ahsoka one way or another. Or even during Rebels when he studies Phoenix squadron that he'd maybe get a few morsels of information on her.
Doesn't really hurt the episode at all, just kind of surprised. But that will be cool if Thrawn and Ahsoka have a conversation about Anakin when they meet for the first time. I imagine Ahsoka's final lesson with Anakin will help her stay calmer with whatever Thrawn could potentially say about him, too.
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Sept 20, 2023 7:21:47 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 20, 2023 7:21:47 GMT -5
For a while I was thinking episode 5 ruined the whole show for me but after 6 I realized how much I was overreacting lol. 6 was amazing and far exceeded my expectations. I'd not only say best episode so far, but one of the best D+ live action episodes in general. Though that's not a high bar and the other best ones all come from Mando.
The Chimera's arrival and Thrawn's entrance was perfect. I'm not sure what I was expecting Thrawn's first scene to be, I guess my thought was they'd be caught up in some battle with a new enemy but I have no complaints with this introduction. Seeing the damaged Chimera made for a very ominous scene. That whole sequence was my favorite part of the episode.
But the Sabine parts were also very good and just felt very Star Wars-y. The casting choice for Ezra was great, he sounds and feels just like him.
This episode also resolved a lot of my previous issues. I was worried about not getting Baylan and Shin's backstory but I think they gave enough of it here. Was also worried about Thrawn and Ezra not having much screen time but I think they will have decent roles in the last two. Also the Nightsisters looking how they're supposed to makes me less bothered about Morgan
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Sept 20, 2023 7:30:35 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 20, 2023 7:30:35 GMT -5
Oh also those kintsugi stormtroopers are badass, might be one of my new favorite trooper designs. I remember Stormtroopers healed by the Nightsisters was actually something that leaked a long time ago before the show.
But the only weird thing to me is that their exile would have had to be about 10 years... For ten years Ezra and the Chimera crew is stranded on this planet. How can they still be alive and also not totally insane? Could an ISD really have enough rations to support a crew for a decade? Maybe they turned to cannibalism lol. Or I guess Nightsister magic could've sustained them.
But I can't buy Ezra living with the rock creatures for a decade. I'm going to headcanon that he was on the ISD for most of that time and only escaped a year or so before Sabine showed up.
But yeah 10 years man... For 10 years they couldn't devise an escape plan? It took 10 years for Morgan to build a hyperdrive ring? Idk. I love the idea of the exile but the time gap is too long for the story to make sense imo. Would've been better if this show was immediately after ROTJ. I think the reason it isn't might just be because Mando was 5 years after and that's where they introduced Ahsoka.
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Sept 20, 2023 8:06:22 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 20, 2023 8:06:22 GMT -5
Also is Rukh with them? I think the last time we saw him was when Sabine and Zeb fought him on Lothal. He could've made it back to the Chimera but they could also leave him out if they want. If I remember correctly Rukh is the one that kills Thrawn in the book.
Pelleon is not with them though I don't think. Or not sure if he was on one of the other ISDs that the Purgills took away. Are we going to see them? Probably not but I think there should be a couple more ships alongside the Chimera unless they were destroyed.
I'm wondering does Thrawn even know the Emperor is dead? I guess if he was able to get in contact with Morgan they might've gotten some news about the galaxy.
Also super random but you guys remember the Storm Over Ryloth episode from TCW where Ahsoka gets her fighter squadron killed? At the end of that episode she devises a maneuver to rotate Anakin's Venator on its side so that fighters can attack from the lower hangar. I was watching some stuff and stumbled on an interview where Filoni says he took that move from the Thrawn trilogy. He's been thinking about those books since back then which gives me a bit more hope of him doing those stories in live action. It seems like the flashback from last episode was also referencing that Ryloth episode but they changed all the details. Storm over Ryloth was actually a really good episode
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Sept 20, 2023 12:58:56 GMT -5
Post by Star on Sept 20, 2023 12:58:56 GMT -5
Also is Rukh with them? I think the last time we saw him was when Sabine and Zeb fought him on Lothal. He could've made it back to the Chimera but they could also leave him out if they want. If I remember correctly Rukh is the one that kills Thrawn in the book. Pelleon is not with them though I don't think. Or not sure if he was on one of the other ISDs that the Purgills took away. Are we going to see them? Probably not but I think there should be a couple more ships alongside the Chimera unless they were destroyed. I'm wondering does Thrawn even know the Emperor is dead? I guess if he was able to get in contact with Morgan they might've gotten some news about the galaxy. Also super random but you guys remember the Storm Over Ryloth episode from TCW where Ahsoka gets her fighter squadron killed? At the end of that episode she devises a maneuver to rotate Anakin's Venator on its side so that fighters can attack from the lower hangar. I was watching some stuff and stumbled on an interview where Filoni says he took that move from the Thrawn trilogy. He's been thinking about those books since back then which gives me a bit more hope of him doing those stories in live action. It seems like the flashback from last episode was also referencing that Ryloth episode but they changed all the details. Storm over Ryloth was actually a really good episode Rukh died after Zeb threw him down into the electric current of the Imperial Complex on Lothal. Seems unlikely they'd write around that for this, maybe that's partly why we have Captain Enoch here. Oh yeah, I remember reading about that moment in Storm of Ryloth too. Always was one of my favorite episodes from early TCW and that detail just adds to it. That would be wild if we saw Thrawn do the same maneuver in live action. Curious where Pelleon is as well, maybe we'll get another Shadow Council scene in these final episodes? |
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Sept 20, 2023 16:56:18 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 20, 2023 16:56:18 GMT -5
Also is Rukh with them? I think the last time we saw him was when Sabine and Zeb fought him on Lothal. He could've made it back to the Chimera but they could also leave him out if they want. If I remember correctly Rukh is the one that kills Thrawn in the book. Pelleon is not with them though I don't think. Or not sure if he was on one of the other ISDs that the Purgills took away. Are we going to see them? Probably not but I think there should be a couple more ships alongside the Chimera unless they were destroyed. I'm wondering does Thrawn even know the Emperor is dead? I guess if he was able to get in contact with Morgan they might've gotten some news about the galaxy. Also super random but you guys remember the Storm Over Ryloth episode from TCW where Ahsoka gets her fighter squadron killed? At the end of that episode she devises a maneuver to rotate Anakin's Venator on its side so that fighters can attack from the lower hangar. I was watching some stuff and stumbled on an interview where Filoni says he took that move from the Thrawn trilogy. He's been thinking about those books since back then which gives me a bit more hope of him doing those stories in live action. It seems like the flashback from last episode was also referencing that Ryloth episode but they changed all the details. Storm over Ryloth was actually a really good episode Rukh died after Zeb threw him down into the electric current of the Imperial Complex on Lothal. Seems unlikely they'd write around that for this, maybe that's partly why we have Captain Enoch here. Oh yeah, I remember reading about that moment in Storm of Ryloth too. Always was one of my favorite episodes from early TCW and that detail just adds to it. That would be wild if we saw Thrawn do the same maneuver in live action. Curious where Pelleon is as well, maybe we'll get another Shadow Council scene in these final episodes? Oh that's right I totally forgot Rukh died. Then I wonder what canon Thrawn's ultimate fate will be. Killed by Enoch perhaps? Or it's drastically different from the books. I guess without Rukh they won't bother with bringing the Noghri into live action. The Noghri and their homeworld was a whole subplot with Leia in the book trilogy but I don't think it's that significant to be worth recanonizing. |
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