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Ahsoka
Aug 25, 2023 16:55:25 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Aug 25, 2023 16:55:25 GMT -5
Wait a minute… I saw a theory… Apparently Sam Witwer is credited in episode 2….. Is Sam Witwer the Inquisitor Star … Starkiller adaptation? Unless he just voiced something, but I could really see Dave making Sam the inquisitor.
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Ahsoka
Aug 26, 2023 6:48:38 GMT -5
Post by Star on Aug 26, 2023 6:48:38 GMT -5
Wait a minute… I saw a theory… Apparently Sam Witwer is credited in episode 2….. Is Sam Witwer the Inquisitor Star … Starkiller adaptation? Unless he just voiced something, but I could really see Dave making Sam the inquisitor. Oh that's interesting. It seems a little out there, but I wouldn't put it past Filoni to do something like that. Apparently the character is called Marrok, so not that far off from Galen Marek... I've read speculation that it's a dark Ezra. I don't really get how that would work though, and it seems a little dumb given the show's focus on retrieving Thrawn from another galaxy... so like why would Ezra be back by himself? Honestly, the Starkiller tie would be cool. I think I heard a few years ago Sam mention how Filoni discussed featuring Starkiller in a later episode of TCW that we never got. Most likely though, this is probably some entirely new character that fleshes out lore with Baylan or the Inquisitorius.
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Aug 26, 2023 6:53:38 GMT -5
Post by Star on Aug 26, 2023 6:53:38 GMT -5
Wow, I really enjoyed that doubleheader premiere. Maybe it was the use of an opening crawl or the music, but something about this series felt way more cinematic than any of the other shows to me. I’m intrigued by the characters and narrative. There’s a good mix of leaning into TCW/Rebels references but still adding new elements. I don’t recall if we knew Elsbeth was a Nightsister in Mando, but that’s pretty cool. It had a lot of great nods to Rebels, like Clancy Brown coming back as Ryder and Jai Kell being a senator. Even just seeing Lothal itself was great. I don’t have any major complaints, Filoni’s worked his magic here. I went in without big expectations (like I did for Andor) and I’m really happy with it so far. This honestly just feels like the animated shows put in live action, but I 100% stand by my point that this shouldn’t be called Ahsoka or focused around her tbh. She’s not driving the story at all so far. I get what you're saying, and I don't expect the ensemble formula to change much over the series. It definitely seems like a marketing move to call it Ahsoka. It aligns with the other shows being named after characters, and Ahsoka's name is more of a buzzword for fans I'd imagine. That's a good way to put it - this feels like the most "Star Wars" content we've gotten since Rebels and I'm sure it's because Filoni has so much say over everything in it. So far it's working though, so hopefully it can keep it up over the rest of the season. Also, is there a second season confirmed? Or is this a limited series that will tie into future Mandoverse stories and Filoni's movie in a few years?
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Ahsoka
Aug 26, 2023 21:53:51 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Aug 26, 2023 21:53:51 GMT -5
Wait a minute… I saw a theory… Apparently Sam Witwer is credited in episode 2….. Is Sam Witwer the Inquisitor Star … Starkiller adaptation? Unless he just voiced something, but I could really see Dave making Sam the inquisitor. Oh that's interesting. It seems a little out there, but I wouldn't put it past Filoni to do something like that. Apparently the character is called Marrok, so not that far off from Galen Marek... I've read speculation that it's a dark Ezra. I don't really get how that would work though, and it seems a little dumb given the show's focus on retrieving Thrawn from another galaxy... so like why would Ezra be back by himself? Honestly, the Starkiller tie would be cool. I think I heard a few years ago Sam mention how Filoni discussed featuring Starkiller in a later episode of TCW that we never got. Most likely though, this is probably some entirely new character that fleshes out lore with Baylan or the Inquisitorius. I’m kinda convinced the Inquisitor is at least played by Witwer now. I also had the brief idea that it would be Ezra but how would Ezra get back to the galaxy and not Thrawn? Also the Inquisitor seems too tall to be Ezra, but I do not know much about the actor they cast to be Ezra in this. In short though the Inquisitor does have Witwers build more or less. I don’t really think it’s Starkiller but it will be similar.
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Ahsoka
Aug 26, 2023 21:54:55 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Aug 26, 2023 21:54:55 GMT -5
I still think Ezra might be behind the Knights of Ren though, I very well could see him gone kinda bad. And I definitely think Thrawn will lay the ground works for some of the stuff we see with the First Order
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Aug 26, 2023 21:57:58 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Aug 26, 2023 21:57:58 GMT -5
This honestly just feels like the animated shows put in live action, but I 100% stand by my point that this shouldn’t be called Ahsoka or focused around her tbh. She’s not driving the story at all so far. I get what you're saying, and I don't expect the ensemble formula to change much over the series. It definitely seems like a marketing move to call it Ahsoka. It aligns with the other shows being named after characters, and Ahsoka's name is more of a buzzword for fans I'd imagine. That's a good way to put it - this feels like the most "Star Wars" content we've gotten since Rebels and I'm sure it's because Filoni has so much say over everything in it. So far it's working though, so hopefully it can keep it up over the rest of the season. Also, is there a second season confirmed? Or is this a limited series that will tie into future Mandoverse stories and Filoni's movie in a few years? From what I’ve seen online this has been detailed as a “limited mini series”, so possibly one season? At the same time that’s what Marvel said for Loki and season 2 is coming soon so who knows? Obviously we don’t know what will happen with Baylan but he seems kind of important and his actor passed away so that could make things awkward too. But this will definitely tie into the future Mandoverse stories, I’m pretty sure all these shows are cumulating to a epic showdown with Thrawn in a Heir to the Empire type story.
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Aug 26, 2023 21:59:54 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Aug 26, 2023 21:59:54 GMT -5
I’ll be totally honest though, I couldn’t care less for Ahsoka in this specific time period. Clone Wars and Rise of the Empire is where she belongs imo. So I really appreciate the Ensemble type direction
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Aug 28, 2023 10:37:47 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Aug 28, 2023 10:37:47 GMT -5
Naming these shows after the main character has actually been annoying to me... It is so uncreative and also can make talking about the show confusing. I think they just decided to copy Marvel for the naming convention. But why? Does it help marketing that much? I doubt it.
EU books and comics always have some cool title that vaguely reflects the main conflict. I wish they'd give these shows actual titles.
As for Starkiller, I have always thought the easiest way to adapt him to canon would be to just slap Sam Witwer's face on an inquisitor and have his real name be Galen Marek. But I guess it wouldn't really be the same character and he'd be Starkiller in name only. Still could be a nice nod. I wouldn't really be bothered whatever they decide to do because I'm not too attached to that character
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Aug 28, 2023 11:56:03 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Aug 28, 2023 11:56:03 GMT -5
Yeah I need to watch this soon lol. There is a theory that the Purgill are actually living scout ships used by the Vong to spy on the galaxy. The Yuuzhan Vong were originally meant to appear in TCW before it was cancelled and I think Filoni also had some ideas for them for Rebels and/or its scrapped original sequel series.
I actually wish they went ahead with the Rebels sequel as an animated series instead of repurposing it for Ahsoka just because a lot of planned content will be cut due to limitations. Apparently there were several leaks about the original Rebels sequel.
- It would’ve shown Ahsoka going to the Kaminoans to have them stop Rex’s accelerated aging
- A lot of it was going to take place on one of the main Chiss planets, Csilla
- Would’ve introduced Thrawn’s “Skywalker” niece, a young force sensitive capable of navigating the unknown regions
- One of the characters was the last remaining member of the Rakata species who would’ve acted as a mentor to Ezra
- Ezra and Thrawn form an unexpected alliance after getting caught up in a war between the Chiss and Vong or Grysk
While most of this probably won’t be in Ahsoka, I imagine Filoni plans to repurpose a lot of those ideas. Now with Thrawn and the new galaxy stuff, Vong could be the endgame
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Aug 29, 2023 20:56:14 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Aug 29, 2023 20:56:14 GMT -5
Okay I caught up on the show. I don't want to be a hater anymore, this is a pretty solid start so far. Episode 1 had really strong prequel/Phantom Menace vibes at all levels of production. The samurai shit is cool. Episode 2 was good too, I liked seeing Hera play a bigger role. I agree maybe her casting isn't the best but I think it's okay. Very easy to buy Rosario and Natasha as Ahsoka and Sabine though.
Episode 3 was alright. Kind of a connector episode really. Actually kinda felt like the second or third episode in a 4 part arc in TCW. Only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was the Senate meeting. While nice to see Mon Mothma, the New Republic complacency and incompetence that allowed the First Order to rise is on full display and I hate that shit. Where is Leia? You tell Leia Thrawn might be alive and she would immediately get on it.
Looking forward to the next episode. I bet the forest fight will be cool. Hopefully the fight with Baylan is in that episode too. I think they will all go to the new galaxy at the end of that episode. Also Baylan and Shin are awesome. Such great screen presence.
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Aug 29, 2023 21:12:53 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Aug 29, 2023 21:12:53 GMT -5
I do have a few gripes though. Some are kinda nitpicky or subjective/personal preference.
- Sabine is kinda annoying at times. Little tired of the Filoni formula for character arcs being character is annoying then isn't annoying. It also doesn't make sense because Sabine had matured a lot by the end of Rebels
- Don't like the manufactured tension between her and Ahsoka that happened off screen. That's not how we left those characters at the end of Rebels. Idk why Sabine even wants to be a Jedi. At first I didn't like her getting training when she doesn't have the Force but I guess it's kinda like Luke training Leia who also had low Force aptitude
- Huyang and the two Jedi shuttles being found off screen also kinda sucks though I don't know where they could've possibly included that stuff. At first I was against Huyang's inclusion because I thought it would be more Filoni cameo nonsense but I actually quite like him and he brings a great dynamic to the cast. I suppose he was underutilized in TCW and it's good he survived the purge with all the knowledge he has
- If Morgan is a nightsister, why doesn't she have white skin? This actually really bothers me and feels like more Lucasfilm laziness. I won't accept some "other tribe" head canon excuse unless it's explicitly stated in the show
- There were a couple shots that they hung on for a few seconds too long that they probably should've cut earlier like when Ahsoka was exploring the temple or Sabine was twisting the puzzle key thing. But whatever that is super minor. Outside of that directing and whatnot has been pretty good. Im glad they got Steph Green back, she's quite good. Her BOBF episode was easily the best directed in that
Can't remember if there was something else or if that's it. I think this show is an instance where I can ignore my criticisms because they are outweighed by the good. It does feel very Star Wars and has a lot going on in terms of lore and worldbuilding. Every other Star Wars on Disney plus feels like fluff for majority of it but this feels more focused if that makes sense.
Outside Survivor, I haven't felt this good about Star Wars content since Mando season 2 finale. But at the same time I think it will be easy to get me to turn against it. Honestly comes down to how the New Republic is portrayed, which I guess I'm sensitive about as well as Luke or Anakin if they're included.
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Sept 1, 2023 16:07:29 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 1, 2023 16:07:29 GMT -5
I thought Episode 3 was definitely weaker then the first two, I just don’t feel like the tension was really there. I actually quite liked the episode up until the space dog fight scenes, but you just know as a viewer that Sabine and Ahsoka aren’t gonna die and the likeliness of one of the two villains dying in a star fighter is incredibly low. I think the only semi important character to ever die in a star fighter was Plo-Koon tbh.
The visuals were still outstanding, the music was great. And side note but this was the first time I actually sat threw the credits and that was actually pretty cool. Not like Game of Thrones intro level badass, but I do like when shows do cool stuff like that.
Sabine being trained is weird to me though… I assume Ezra will likely train Jacen? Eventually…
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Sept 1, 2023 16:08:19 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 1, 2023 16:08:19 GMT -5
Also the senator arguing with Hera is gonna be a Thrawn loyalist 100%
I honestly think I’d be ok with the idea of Ezra just being dead and only Thrawn survived. I don’t expect that to happen but I think that would be a cool twist. Do we actually have any confirmation Ezra is alive?
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Ahsoka
Sept 1, 2023 16:14:21 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 1, 2023 16:14:21 GMT -5
Okay I caught up on the show. I don't want to be a hater anymore, this is a pretty solid start so far. Episode 1 had really strong prequel/Phantom Menace vibes at all levels of production. The samurai shit is cool. Episode 2 was good too, I liked seeing Hera play a bigger role. I agree maybe her casting isn't the best but I think it's okay. Very easy to buy Rosario and Natasha as Ahsoka and Sabine though. Episode 3 was alright. Kind of a connector episode really. Actually kinda felt like the second or third episode in a 4 part arc in TCW. Only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was the Senate meeting. While nice to see Mon Mothma, the New Republic complacency and incompetence that allowed the First Order to rise is on full display and I hate that shit. Where is Leia? You tell Leia Thrawn might be alive and she would immediately get on it. Looking forward to the next episode. I bet the forest fight will be cool. Hopefully the fight with Baylan is in that episode too. I think they will all go to the new galaxy at the end of that episode. Also Baylan and Shin are awesome. Such great screen presence. I’m pretty bummed that Ray Stevenson passed away, I think he’s killing it in this show. Everyone just seems like a child on screen compared to him. I quite like his character here. And yeah not having the OT cast is pretty weird… Leia and Luke gotta be recast for the eventual movie(s?). Sebastian Stan for Luke is perfect and he’s connected to the Disney universe already. Not sure who you’d cast for Leia. I’d be fine with Alden Enrenreich coming back as Han and Donald Glover as Lando.
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Sept 1, 2023 16:16:45 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 1, 2023 16:16:45 GMT -5
I do have a few gripes though. Some are kinda nitpicky or subjective/personal preference. - Sabine is kinda annoying at times. Little tired of the Filoni formula for character arcs being character is annoying then isn't annoying. It also doesn't make sense because Sabine had matured a lot by the end of Rebels - Don't like the manufactured tension between her and Ahsoka that happened off screen. That's not how we left those characters at the end of Rebels. Idk why Sabine even wants to be a Jedi. At first I didn't like her getting training when she doesn't have the Force but I guess it's kinda like Luke training Leia who also had low Force aptitude - Huyang and the two Jedi shuttles being found off screen also kinda sucks though I don't know where they could've possibly included that stuff. At first I was against Huyang's inclusion because I thought it would be more Filoni cameo nonsense but I actually quite like him and he brings a great dynamic to the cast. I suppose he was underutilized in TCW and it's good he survived the purge with all the knowledge he has - If Morgan is a nightsister, why doesn't she have white skin? This actually really bothers me and feels like more Lucasfilm laziness. I won't accept some "other tribe" head canon excuse unless it's explicitly stated in the show - There were a couple shots that they hung on for a few seconds too long that they probably should've cut earlier like when Ahsoka was exploring the temple or Sabine was twisting the puzzle key thing. But whatever that is super minor. Outside of that directing and whatnot has been pretty good. Im glad they got Steph Green back, she's quite good. Her BOBF episode was easily the best directed in that Can't remember if there was something else or if that's it. I think this show is an instance where I can ignore my criticisms because they are outweighed by the good. It does feel very Star Wars and has a lot going on in terms of lore and worldbuilding. Every other Star Wars on Disney plus feels like fluff for majority of it but this feels more focused if that makes sense. Outside Survivor, I haven't felt this good about Star Wars content since Mando season 2 finale. But at the same time I think it will be easy to get me to turn against it. Honestly comes down to how the New Republic is portrayed, which I guess I'm sensitive about as well as Luke or Anakin if they're included. I think the Nightsisters were known to adopt outsiders into their clan actually, she might not be a true born sister. But realistically not every night sister is born force sensitive, they use rituals and witchcraft for that. Savage wasn’t force sensitive before the ritual I don’t think.
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Sept 1, 2023 19:15:43 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 1, 2023 19:15:43 GMT -5
I thought Episode 3 was definitely weaker then the first two, I just don’t feel like the tension was really there. I actually quite liked the episode up until the space dog fight scenes, but you just know as a viewer that Sabine and Ahsoka aren’t gonna die and the likeliness of one of the two villains dying in a star fighter is incredibly low. I think the only semi important character to ever die in a star fighter was Plo-Koon tbh. The visuals were still outstanding, the music was great. And side note but this was the first time I actually sat threw the credits and that was actually pretty cool. Not like Game of Thrones intro level badass, but I do like when shows do cool stuff like that. Sabine being trained is weird to me though… I assume Ezra will likely train Jacen? Eventually… I think I would prefer Ahsoka just giving Sabine lightsaber training and none of the Jedi/Force stuff. I've said it before but it is also so annoying to me that Ahsoka is a Jedi whenever Filoni feels like it. Just throw in a couple dialogue lines about her feeling conflicted or confused about what she considers herself and it would be fine but otherwise it just creates inconsistency when in one show she is saying she isn't a Jedi and then in another show she is. Another weird thing I saw someone point out is why she refused to train Grogu but is training Sabine lol. Maybe because Sabine isn't as powerful but probably just a writer oversight. Ezra training Jacen at some point makes sense. I don't know if we'll ever see that on screen though. Tbh I don't know why but I hate Jacen and the less we see him the better lol. Odd how a human/twi'lek offspring is just a human with green hair... Also the senator arguing with Hera is gonna be a Thrawn loyalist 100% I honestly think I’d be ok with the idea of Ezra just being dead and only Thrawn survived. I don’t expect that to happen but I think that would be a cool twist. Do we actually have any confirmation Ezra is alive? No chance Ezra is dead. That would be very unsatisfying if the whole show is about finding him and he has been dead the whole time. I think he will play a big role in the back half of the season. He is either a prisoner or in some reluctant alliance with Thrawn. Though idk why he'd be kept prisoner for 9-12 years, better to just execute him if he has no use. That is actually wild though that he has been with Thrawn for about a decade if I have the timeline right. Why did they wait so damn long to try and find him? Realistically they should just assume he is dead at this point. Okay I caught up on the show. I don't want to be a hater anymore, this is a pretty solid start so far. Episode 1 had really strong prequel/Phantom Menace vibes at all levels of production. The samurai shit is cool. Episode 2 was good too, I liked seeing Hera play a bigger role. I agree maybe her casting isn't the best but I think it's okay. Very easy to buy Rosario and Natasha as Ahsoka and Sabine though. Episode 3 was alright. Kind of a connector episode really. Actually kinda felt like the second or third episode in a 4 part arc in TCW. Only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was the Senate meeting. While nice to see Mon Mothma, the New Republic complacency and incompetence that allowed the First Order to rise is on full display and I hate that shit. Where is Leia? You tell Leia Thrawn might be alive and she would immediately get on it. Looking forward to the next episode. I bet the forest fight will be cool. Hopefully the fight with Baylan is in that episode too. I think they will all go to the new galaxy at the end of that episode. Also Baylan and Shin are awesome. Such great screen presence. I’m pretty bummed that Ray Stevenson passed away, I think he’s killing it in this show. Everyone just seems like a child on screen compared to him. I quite like his character here. And yeah not having the OT cast is pretty weird… Leia and Luke gotta be recast for the eventual movie(s?). Sebastian Stan for Luke is perfect and he’s connected to the Disney universe already. Not sure who you’d cast for Leia. I’d be fine with Alden Enrenreich coming back as Han and Donald Glover as Lando. That's actually a rumor that they've recast Luke and Leia for Filoni's "Heir to the Empire" movie because the deepfake is too expensive. Honestly I would really rather have the deepfake characters. If they had recast them a long time ago I would've been fine with it but now that they did CGI Luke, it would bother me to have that inconsistency. I do have a few gripes though. Some are kinda nitpicky or subjective/personal preference. - Sabine is kinda annoying at times. Little tired of the Filoni formula for character arcs being character is annoying then isn't annoying. It also doesn't make sense because Sabine had matured a lot by the end of Rebels - Don't like the manufactured tension between her and Ahsoka that happened off screen. That's not how we left those characters at the end of Rebels. Idk why Sabine even wants to be a Jedi. At first I didn't like her getting training when she doesn't have the Force but I guess it's kinda like Luke training Leia who also had low Force aptitude - Huyang and the two Jedi shuttles being found off screen also kinda sucks though I don't know where they could've possibly included that stuff. At first I was against Huyang's inclusion because I thought it would be more Filoni cameo nonsense but I actually quite like him and he brings a great dynamic to the cast. I suppose he was underutilized in TCW and it's good he survived the purge with all the knowledge he has - If Morgan is a nightsister, why doesn't she have white skin? This actually really bothers me and feels like more Lucasfilm laziness. I won't accept some "other tribe" head canon excuse unless it's explicitly stated in the show - There were a couple shots that they hung on for a few seconds too long that they probably should've cut earlier like when Ahsoka was exploring the temple or Sabine was twisting the puzzle key thing. But whatever that is super minor. Outside of that directing and whatnot has been pretty good. Im glad they got Steph Green back, she's quite good. Her BOBF episode was easily the best directed in that Can't remember if there was something else or if that's it. I think this show is an instance where I can ignore my criticisms because they are outweighed by the good. It does feel very Star Wars and has a lot going on in terms of lore and worldbuilding. Every other Star Wars on Disney plus feels like fluff for majority of it but this feels more focused if that makes sense. Outside Survivor, I haven't felt this good about Star Wars content since Mando season 2 finale. But at the same time I think it will be easy to get me to turn against it. Honestly comes down to how the New Republic is portrayed, which I guess I'm sensitive about as well as Luke or Anakin if they're included. I think the Nightsisters were known to adopt outsiders into their clan actually, she might not be a true born sister. But realistically not every night sister is born force sensitive, they use rituals and witchcraft for that. Savage wasn’t force sensitive before the ritual I don’t think. I initially thought they based her on the original Nightsisters from EU which I believe were very different from the witches we saw in TCW. But seeing the character in Ahsoka, it's clear she's a TCW version of Nightsister. So they should've kept visual consistency by making her look like TCW witches or Merrin who would be a realistic version of them. Or explain why she doesn't look like them.
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Sept 1, 2023 23:34:02 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 1, 2023 23:34:02 GMT -5
I thought Episode 3 was definitely weaker then the first two, I just don’t feel like the tension was really there. I actually quite liked the episode up until the space dog fight scenes, but you just know as a viewer that Sabine and Ahsoka aren’t gonna die and the likeliness of one of the two villains dying in a star fighter is incredibly low. I think the only semi important character to ever die in a star fighter was Plo-Koon tbh. The visuals were still outstanding, the music was great. And side note but this was the first time I actually sat threw the credits and that was actually pretty cool. Not like Game of Thrones intro level badass, but I do like when shows do cool stuff like that. Sabine being trained is weird to me though… I assume Ezra will likely train Jacen? Eventually… I think I would prefer Ahsoka just giving Sabine lightsaber training and none of the Jedi/Force stuff. I've said it before but it is also so annoying to me that Ahsoka is a Jedi whenever Filoni feels like it. Just throw in a couple dialogue lines about her feeling conflicted or confused about what she considers herself and it would be fine but otherwise it just creates inconsistency when in one show she is saying she isn't a Jedi and then in another show she is. Another weird thing I saw someone point out is why she refused to train Grogu but is training Sabine lol. Maybe because Sabine isn't as powerful but probably just a writer oversight. Ezra training Jacen at some point makes sense. I don't know if we'll ever see that on screen though. Tbh I don't know why but I hate Jacen and the less we see him the better lol. Odd how a human/twi'lek offspring is just a human with green hair... Also the senator arguing with Hera is gonna be a Thrawn loyalist 100% I honestly think I’d be ok with the idea of Ezra just being dead and only Thrawn survived. I don’t expect that to happen but I think that would be a cool twist. Do we actually have any confirmation Ezra is alive? No chance Ezra is dead. That would be very unsatisfying if the whole show is about finding him and he has been dead the whole time. I think he will play a big role in the back half of the season. He is either a prisoner or in some reluctant alliance with Thrawn. Though idk why he'd be kept prisoner for 9-12 years, better to just execute him if he has no use. That is actually wild though that he has been with Thrawn for about a decade if I have the timeline right. Why did they wait so damn long to try and find him? Realistically they should just assume he is dead at this point. I’m pretty bummed that Ray Stevenson passed away, I think he’s killing it in this show. Everyone just seems like a child on screen compared to him. I quite like his character here. And yeah not having the OT cast is pretty weird… Leia and Luke gotta be recast for the eventual movie(s?). Sebastian Stan for Luke is perfect and he’s connected to the Disney universe already. Not sure who you’d cast for Leia. I’d be fine with Alden Enrenreich coming back as Han and Donald Glover as Lando. That's actually a rumor that they've recast Luke and Leia for Filoni's "Heir to the Empire" movie because the deepfake is too expensive. Honestly I would really rather have the deepfake characters. If they had recast them a long time ago I would've been fine with it but now that they did CGI Luke, it would bother me to have that inconsistency. I think the Nightsisters were known to adopt outsiders into their clan actually, she might not be a true born sister. But realistically not every night sister is born force sensitive, they use rituals and witchcraft for that. Savage wasn’t force sensitive before the ritual I don’t think. I initially thought they based her on the original Nightsisters from EU which I believe were very different from the witches we saw in TCW. But seeing the character in Ahsoka, it's clear she's a TCW version of Nightsister. So they should've kept visual consistency by making her look like TCW witches or Merrin who would be a realistic version of them. Or explain why she doesn't look like them. I’m pretty sure in the old EU Humans were not biologically compatible with Twi’leks and even if they are you would reasonably suspect the outcome would be a Twi’lek child if the mother was one. I think the idea of Jacen was just to wrap Rebels up in a really nice ball, but he shouldn’t exist as a character. And yeah I do find Ahsoka’s whole “Im a Jedi/ Im not a Jedi” dynamic to be annoying. I think she’s only training Sabine because of the “Im not a Jedi” thing. I did like how Huyang mentioned she came from a long line of non traditional Jedi… Yoda > Dooku > Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan > Anakin > Ahsoka. You could argue the only traditional Jedi in there is Kenobi really. Yoda, but he has the lifespan of 10 Jedi. Im pretty sure Thrawn and Ezra are in an alliance, its the only scenario that makes sense imo. I wonder if Thrawn contacted his people or maybe somehow contacted Palpatine and devised some plan in relation to the First Order. How do they even know Thrawn is alive to begin with? Morgan and Captain Palleion (Mando) that is? I think there’s a lot of potential explanations. The Nightsister magic is pretty unexplored, she could have made herself look more human, could be adopted by the clan, maybe its not even her original body? All of those explanations are plausible within what we know of their abilities.
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Sept 4, 2023 16:52:59 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 4, 2023 16:52:59 GMT -5
Saw the first episode. Flawed, but good start. Scripting and character moments can be kind of awkward (no idea why Dave even tries at any humour moments with how babyish it can be mostly). I'm gonna be honest though,given the subject matter at this point it just feels stupid not having guys like Luke, Leia Han etc. even mentioned or appear at this point. This stuff is too big for them to just be elsewhere. Just pull the cord I say and recast them, see what happens. It's not like we're remaking the OT or any such sacrilage anyway.
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Sept 6, 2023 8:34:28 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 6, 2023 8:34:28 GMT -5
Hmm wasn't too crazy about episode 4. Not bad but just okay for me. I think first three were better because they had more going on. 4 was basically just a series of fights. And idk I feel like the choreography is still awkward at times. Also the samurai-esque duels I don't think are needed every single time. They've done the Kurosawa thing enough now, sometimes it just feels tryhard.
I'm glad Marrok was just a nightsister zombie. Didn't really make sense for him to be any of the characters people were speculating tbh. And it's good because there shouldn't be Inquisitors around at this point anyway.
I think Sabine holds her own with a lightsaber too well for a non force sensitive. Also makes Shin look a little weak. And we seriously need some backstory for her and Baylan asap. Knowing Filoni, I'm afraid we'll never get any answers though. They can't just introduce two dark Jedi loyal to Thrawn and not explain their motivations.
And is Ahsoka dead lol? Anakin was great of course and next episode will be interesting. But I'm curious to see what they do with the WBW. I bet that's how Ahsoka will get to the new galaxy
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Ahsoka
Sept 6, 2023 8:42:41 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 6, 2023 8:42:41 GMT -5
Yeah overall this show is just decent for me, at least so far. Maybe second half will get crazy but we'll see. After the first three I was thinking this might be better than Mando season 1 but I'll wait until it's done to say for sure.
Imagine if they dropped Ahsoka after Mando season 2 though. They would have saved themselves from all the brand damage they incurred. Boba, Kenobi, and Andor were all a waste of time that hurt the brand, the fandom and lost them a lot of money and fans.
Also on another note I think the credits are way too epic for this show and it doesn't quite deserve it at least not yet lol. Like those are Game of Thrones level credits but Ahsoka is not close to that kind of television
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Sept 6, 2023 11:14:29 GMT -5
Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 6, 2023 11:14:29 GMT -5
It was good, but I agree, enough with the Kurosawa fight cosplay I do find it hilarious Marrok came to nothing but some spooky mook and that's it lol To be honest though, we're all just going to remember the Anakin bit, which is nice I will admit. But seriously at this point it does feel weird we have no background on Baylon or Shin. Makes me wonder if they'll just be like Marrok - mooks who go down without much of a story.
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Sept 6, 2023 19:37:22 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 6, 2023 19:37:22 GMT -5
I actually thought episode 4 was the best one yet. Baylon has such a commanding presence in all his scenes, it’s a pity this is likely the only show we will ever see him in regarding live action due to Ray Stevenson passing. I loved his lightsaber fighting style and honestly I did not expect him to be that strong. I was expecting maybe a Grand Inquisitor level of strength at best.
I think Ashoka is dead, died from fall damage lol. I’m hoping there’s an explanation for cheating death not once, but twice now I assume. I have a feeling it’s because of her affinity with The Sister? Although at the same time I’m a little surprised we haven’t seen the Owl yet, maybe we will in the next episode. Seeing Anakin is cool, I got a feeling we will see him all next episode. Episode 5 will probably be a big explanation episode and it’s directed by Dave himself so that usually means a lot of cameos and what not.
90% certain we will see Thrawn at the end of the next episode unless we only follow Anakin and Ahsoka for the entire episode, in which case it will be episode 6 for sure.
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Post by Newan on Sept 6, 2023 19:38:42 GMT -5
It was good, but I agree, enough with the Kurosawa fight cosplay I do find it hilarious Marrok came to nothing but some spooky mook and that's it lol To be honest though, we're all just going to remember the Anakin bit, which is nice I will admit. But seriously at this point it does feel weird we have no background on Baylon or Shin. Makes me wonder if they'll just be like Marrok - mooks who go down without much of a story. I think Ahsoka is gonna ask Anakin about Baylon. Apparently I saw online that “Episode 5 will break the internet”… so something is gonna happen
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Sept 6, 2023 20:34:00 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 6, 2023 20:34:00 GMT -5
Yeah next episode is gonna be heavy Mortis. The Son was speaking to Ahsoka earlier in the season and that’s what Witwer was credited for. People figured it out recently, at first they thought it was Maul. I think the Daughter imbued some of her power into Ahsoka when she revived her.
Also I kind of think Anakin is basically the Father in the World Between Worlds as we know that place and Mortis are basically the same now. I think that’s why he doesn’t appear as a ghost, I don’t think Mortis is actually a physical plane of existence imo
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Sept 6, 2023 21:00:28 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 6, 2023 21:00:28 GMT -5
Some people think Anakin is an imposter actually. He doesn’t have a scar and it looks more like Vaders lightsaber then his own. Either way I’m really intrigued, lots of ways this could go. Maybe it’s even Palpatine manipulating her?
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Sept 7, 2023 10:40:56 GMT -5
Post by Star on Sept 7, 2023 10:40:56 GMT -5
Thought episode 3 was a little slow with progressing the story, but there were some cool moments. It was a nice callback to TCW with Ahsoka fighting on the wing of her ship. The Purgill also looked good in live action.
I really enjoy the dynamic Huyang brings alongside Ahsoka and Sabine. I just wish we could get some more backstory on Ahsoka and Sabine's relationship post-Rebels so we're not left guessing as much.
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Sept 7, 2023 12:21:27 GMT -5
Post by Star on Sept 7, 2023 12:21:27 GMT -5
Episode 4 was a big step up for me, probably my favorite one yet. I like how the title Fallen Jedi can apply to Ahsoka, Baylan/Shin, or Anakin. Loved seeing Huyang hold his own for a bit against HK assassin droids. It makes sense he's a competent fighter since he trains younglings.
I'm actually glad Marrok ended up not being an established character. I figure the green mist spewing from his chest indicates he was a dead Inquisitor that Elsbeth had revived.
The fight between Ahsoka and Baylan was really well done I thought. I liked the contrast of their fighting styles, especially in the beginning as they changed stances. Ahsoka very much embodied that samurai/dual-wielding Cal Kestis style, whereas Baylan felt like a medieval knight/crossguard stance Cal Kestis. Between the armor Baylan wore and his pure strength, he came across pretty intimidating.
I was a little surprised with Sabine willingly accompanying Baylan and Shin, but it's a neat twist that fits her goal of finding Ezra. Also now that they're including the World Between Worlds, I can't imagine what people are thinking who didn't watch Rebels.
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Sept 9, 2023 10:44:57 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 9, 2023 10:44:57 GMT -5
Yeah I think next episode will be "filler" as in it doesn't advance the Thrawn plot but I think we will see a lot of cool flashbacks or alternate versions of big events from the saga. I think there was a rumor about seeing the Mustafar duel which would be crazy. And then at the end Ahsoka probably teleports to Thrawn's location
I could see Thrawn being introduced at the end of the next episode. And then Ezra in episode 6. Wonder if we are done with the New Republic/Hera though. Or maybe they come in to save the day in some big finale battle. I think I would prefer if there is no more NR, they are so bad at writing them.
Also I guess Zeb won't be in this. I don't see where he'd fit in unless he comes in with Hera at the end for something. Actually they may want to reunite the Ghost crew so it's possible we see him. It was good they put him in Mando to show he's doing other stuff so you don't have to wonder why he's missing
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Sept 9, 2023 21:13:26 GMT -5
Post by Newan on Sept 9, 2023 21:13:26 GMT -5
I have an absurd theory that Anakin is actually The Son… we heard his voice earlier in the season and Anakin looks a little off. We know the Ones can access the World Between Worlds because The Daugther in her Owl form does so. Idk what part he plays in all of this but idk why they’d have his voice earlier.
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Sept 10, 2023 16:50:47 GMT -5
Post by Kenbo on Sept 10, 2023 16:50:47 GMT -5
I have an absurd theory that Anakin is actually The Son… we heard his voice earlier in the season and Anakin looks a little off. We know the Ones can access the World Between Worlds because The Daugther in her Owl form does so. Idk what part he plays in all of this but idk why they’d have his voice earlier. I'm not expecting any twist with that Anakin, I think he will kind of just be a guide through the WBW. But it would be nice to see the Ones again. If nothing else I'm sure we will see Morai who I think is the Sister reincarnated. But it was odd they played those notes of Vader's theme after the Anakin scene and screen went black. Not sure if that was to remind normies that this is Vader or hinting at something else...
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