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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2020 19:36:31 GMT -5
January 3 - 9, 2020
Episode 5: Always Two There Are Episode 6: Brothers of the Broken Horn Episode 7: Wings of the Master Episode 8: Blood Sisters
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2020 19:37:36 GMT -5
Not sure when I'll watch these. Next few weeks are pretty busy.
I'm just gonna cling to the hope that Episode's 5 title means that we'll get more Vader and Sidious.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 20:36:25 GMT -5
Oh it’s a rough one.... bad week here boys.
There’s a week in season 3 that will be worse, but not much to see in this batch
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 20:36:36 GMT -5
Should call this week the bad batch arc
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2020 23:09:11 GMT -5
Should call this week the bad batch arc Bruh it get worse many times after this lol
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2020 23:11:54 GMT -5
Always two there are
Yet another average episode. Not bad but nothing amazing as usual... I remember people started questioning what happened to Wolffe and Gregor here. I don't think we ever got an answer to that... Anyway I liked seeing the Republic med station that was cool. Kinda felt like Fallen Order, exploring old Republic locations. But why was Sabine just randomly spray painting in there lol. I think Seventh Sister's droids are the same as the one Iden Versio had. Kind of strange how the two Inquistor's didn't know about the other being there feel like there would be more coordination in the Inquisitorious. Seventh Sister is kind of sexy though like I wouldn't mind her dominating me not gonna lie
Broken horn
Alright first bad episode in a little while... They are really going overboard with the legacy characters. Now we got Hondo... They could've just done their own thing. I missed TCW as well but that didn't mean I wanted everything from it shoehorned into a new show where it doesn't work as well. Well anyway the overall plot was weak. Back to stealing supplies like classic Rebels. Hondo was also not written well. First of all it sucks seeing him so washed and it doesn't seem like him to not run with a crew. Also he is way too nice here. Hondo has always been a morally ambiguous guy. He saves Ezra from the cart thing? And when he learns he's a Jedi, instead of turning him in to the empire for money, he is sympathetic? Completely out of character. At least he still had his amusing one liners I guess lol. Also his model looks so bad... Just giving him his coat would've looked so much better. Can they really not animate any moving clothing? Every character wearing a unitard looks weird. At least Ezra felt a bit more mature in this one. Strangely it was Hondo that annoyed me...
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2020 23:12:48 GMT -5
Wings of the Master
Another episode without Ahsoka, Wolffe, and Gregor. Where are these guys was it that hard to just stick them in the background or have one small scene that could write them out of the show? Well regardless of that I liked this one. Not all that much to say. It was pretty cool showing the origin of the B-Wing. What little we saw of Shantipole makes it seem like a cool planet. I do think the B-Wing's laser was kind of OP though... One starfighter able to take out a heavy cruiser in one shot is a bit unrealistic. Maybe it doesn't make it into the final design though. Just one minor thing about this episode however. So those Corellian freighters they have. Aren't they called blockade runners.... Lmao
Blood Sisters
Bad episode. Back to cringey annoying characters.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2020 23:24:50 GMT -5
Should call this week the bad batch arc Oof
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2020 23:26:04 GMT -5
Definitely not looking forward to this...
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2020 17:59:30 GMT -5
Honestly Always two there are is a pretty good episode. The start has a great dynamic between Rex and Kanan, the trio of Ezra, Sabine and Zeb isn’t nearly as cringe as you might think, at least not nearly like it would be if this was a season 1 episode. You can tell they tried to make Ezra more mature this season imo. The ending going back to Rex, Kanan and Hera is also good and sets the tone for the season well.
The republic medical station is a nice setting with a pretty cool atmosphere, doesn’t feel shoehorned in either due the fact that one of the main reasons Rex became involved was for his knowledge on locations such as this, so glad that plot point hasn’t been forgotten.
I actually really liked Seventh Sister in this episode, she actually seemed somewhat competent. Fifth Brother is more than less a stupid brute though. But I like the power struggle within the Inquisitors after the fall of Grand Inquisitor last season. Furthermore I’m curious how many inquisitors are left at this point in time... They started right after ROTS but I know at least half a dozen have been killed by the time of Rebels. I also know the highest number that we know of for both male and females is 10th Brother and 9th sister respectively. I’m guessing there was probably 20 total, tbh I think Vader himself has the most kills on them lol. Also we know the inquisitors get disbanded shortly before ANH when Palpatine sort of unofficially declares the Jedi dead, even though from a public standpoint he had been saying that since ROTS.
Anyways good episode, I’ll say 8/10. Best of the season so far probably.
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2020 18:37:17 GMT -5
Brothers of the Broken Horn is better than I remembered. While Hondos appearance is kind of atrocious he still has the same attitude/ personality and it’s not unbelievable he no longer has a crew/ following given most of his exploits in TCW were incredibly high risk, reckless, and honestly didn’t pay off too much. Hondo definitely seems in his element here as a solo practitioner and it’s probably what he was doing before he had a crew anyways.
The Ezra and Hondo dynamic seems pretty cool, honestly it’s better than Ezra and some of the ghost crew. I also agree with Ezras end line that he likely would have fit in with Hondo given he’s kind of a drifter. I also liked Hondos mentions of his past experiences with Jedi and how he alluded to his relationship with Kenobi. Oh and I like the continuation from the previous episode where Ezra was better learning to levitate objects and we see that on display here. Always some great subtle nods in this show in regards to Ezras progress.
The plot it’s kind of decent, but Chopper just acts totally overkill in this episode and while I don’t mind the concept of him shooting blasters... his hands or whatever weren’t even on the trigger lol. Also there was a semi decent variety of locations in this episode.
I’ll say 7/10, not great but nothing I totally dislike either other than Hondos appearance but I can’t rail on that too much, different animation and all and it’s not like Hondo is a character you probably feel obligated to perfect unlike Vader or Maul.
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2020 19:11:52 GMT -5
Ok for some reason I totally forgot most of the plot for Wings of the Master prior to rewatching this episode, I knew the B-Wing showed up but I thought it might have been a season 3 plot line. It’s great that this is the first episode we really get to learn more about Hera and the first Hera centric episode although we get better ones late.
This episode wasn’t too bad, we got to see the B-Wing origin which seems more inspired on the legends version than what we originally see in ROTJ. The rebels finally have a competent ship although it’s not too effective against large vessels. I liked Quarrie and I also liked that they made him a Mon Cala instead of another Rodian or something that wouldn’t have made much sense. I wonder if Raddus or Ackbar appear in Rebels, I honestly don’t remember at this point.
I liked that the empire was fairly competent in this one, their blockade of meh ships actually held together for awhile. I feel like this episode was likely inspired off Cat and Mouse: blockade, new ship, relief effort, etc. not nearly as good as that episode though. I’m going to say 7/10, nothing terrible and there was a lot of cool little things here.
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Post by Newan on Jan 8, 2020 19:49:50 GMT -5
Blood Sisters is boring, perhaps it’s not terrible but it just doesn’t interest me. I think Ketsu is just an unneeded character and we are gonna barely see her again after this. I’m not sure if she’s Lux Bontari bad but she reminds me of him, a character that makes little appearances and is overall kind of annoying. Yeah we already know Sabine was at the imperial academy, we probably could have guessed she was a bounty hunter for awhile as well.
I’m glad Sabine’s season 3 and 4 arc is way better than this. In season 3 and 4 her and Ezra almost become co-protagonists at times although I still feel Ezras story carries more weight probably cause it’s connected to Kanan heavily.
The R2 cameo is cool, the planet at the end visually actually looks pretty awesome. Has a nice charm to it even for Rebels animation and we only get to see it for 30 seconds... anyways I’m going to say 3/10 I think this was my least favorite episode to date. I preferred fighter flight because it had some continuation of Ezras abilities.
But sadly this is not the worst episode in the show...
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 10, 2020 23:18:04 GMT -5
Ok started on this. Idk why, it's kinda weird to have Rex in there with them.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 10, 2020 23:21:37 GMT -5
Maybe like I just wish Rex were in a different place emotionally. He's been through a lot of shit and maybe it would have been cool to see him kinda having lost his way and them needing to bring him back. Like maybe he had become a mercenary or something and was disillusioned with the idea of fighting for a cause.
It feels like they could have done more with him.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 10, 2020 23:37:14 GMT -5
Fanfic of this chick and Ezra definitely exists
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 10, 2020 23:49:53 GMT -5
Always Two There Are was actually pretty good. Definitely better than I was expecting, even if the title kinda means the opposite of what happens in the episode. (Rule of two my ass)
But the two new inquisitors definitely weren't as cringe as I expected, though the orc looking one clearly isn't brightest bulb. The setting was pretty good, and the dialogue was surprisingly good considering all four of these characters annoyed the fuck out of me last season. Nothing amazing but a solid introduction to the Season 2 baddies. And glad they're not overusing Vader.
7/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 10, 2020 23:52:53 GMT -5
Oh great. Ezra's back to being a whiny bitch next episode.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 10, 2020 23:56:18 GMT -5
God Hondo looks weird as fuck
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 11, 2020 0:00:34 GMT -5
I'd be down for child-murder Hondo to make a reemergence about now.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 11, 2020 0:21:26 GMT -5
Ok yeah Brothers of the Broken Horn was alright too. But somehow felt really basic and all over the place at the same time. Just like a lot of stuff we saw in Season 1, it just wasn't structured that well. Things just kinda happened.
I agree that Hondo was a bit too nice here. As jarring as it was to have Hondo switch back and forth between roles in Season 5, the writers seem to forget that he was the villain in 5 of his 9 TCW appearances. He should have a bit of an edge to him and not just be this uber-positive guy. I do like Ezra getting a bit more mature. At the beginning of the episode he was a bit whiny but he moved past that pretty quick and was alright for the rest of it.
Definitely not a great episode. About on the same level of Idiot's Array, so it gets a 6/10.
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Post by Star on Jan 13, 2020 16:11:41 GMT -5
Aside from Part 1 of the premiere, Always Two There Are is my favorite episode of S2 so far. I really enjoy the setting of an old Republic Medical Station. It doesn't feel out of place, and it serves as a great location to properly introduce us to Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother. Although Fifth Brother seems like a mindless brute here, it doesn't bother me as much given that Seventh Sister comes across as an actual threat.
Ezra, Sabine, and Zeb have a few cringe moments, but it's not nearly as bad as scenes they held last season. The beginning with Rex and Kanan arguing is a little cheesy, but I like the idea the writers want to convey with their rocky relationship. In some ways, it helps develop Ezra a little.
This isn't a great episode, but it's still solid. 7.5/10.
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Post by Star on Jan 13, 2020 16:23:29 GMT -5
It's a little all over the place, but Brothers of the Broken Horn doesn't fall flat for me. Hondo's design is definitely awful, but at least his dialogue remained as good as it was in TCW. As for his personality and current disposition in the galaxy... I'm kind of torn. I don't hate that he's now a loner and nicer to people, but I'm not a huge supporter of that change in direction either.
Even though this episode doesn't make me like Azmorigan any more than before, at least he doesn't feel out of place with this story. Too much was probably packed into these 22 mins, but it still executes the ideas well enough.
I'm tempted to rate it lower, but I'll go ahead with 7/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 16, 2020 19:34:05 GMT -5
Wings of the Master is lame
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 17, 2020 1:31:10 GMT -5
Got to watch Wings of the Master on the plane and yeah, one of the most basic and predictable episodes of the show, which saying a lot. I'm not a fan of the cold opens on this show. I guess they're supposed to me hyped and shit but they do the opposite usually.
Best part of the episode was Hera reflecting on Ryloth. Really like that. But aside that, not too much. There's no tension in the story and we know exactly what will happen. and honestly the B-wing is really OP.
One piece of dialogue that cracked me up was Kallus saying "their weakness is that they want to help people in need." Like come on, who talks like that? Does he seriously just hate people? Idk.
Pretty lame and tame. 4.5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2020 10:37:10 GMT -5
Ezra is annoying af again. Great.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2020 10:40:16 GMT -5
"You'd be better ooff dead than working for this band of Rebels"
I mean, true.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2020 10:44:37 GMT -5
"I'm sure Ezra's fine. Let's get to the rendezvous."
You bitch.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2020 11:45:39 GMT -5
Perhaps this is a case of low expectations but I didn't find it all that bad. Was it good? No. But it wasn't unwatchable. Not the worst thing I've seen from this show, or even from this batch of episodes.
That being said, I do have some big problems with it. Sabine and Onyo sounds like it should be interesting. It's a fine idea on paper: Sabine having an old friend who betrayed her. But unfortunately, they really do nothing with it, which is a shame. This could have been a Gamora/Nebula type deal that could last the whole show, but they wrap it all up here in a lame and unconvincing way. If they teamed up purely for necessity and then went their separate ways, it would have been fine. But no, by the end of the episode they're bffs and it's all good. Like why? Getting rid of potential future conflict is just lame for long-form storytelling. And here it is really unearned. They just neuter what could have been a really cool rivalry, solely for a weak message about always "trusting your sister."
Rebels revels in killing plotlines that could be interesting. It just feels like a cowardly show that doesn't have much trust in its audience. You can leave somethings morally ambiguous. Not everyone needs to end the episode as a clear good person or bad person. Save it for later. This is a major problem I have with the show. They take characters that sound interesting on paper and make them not that way. Rex, a soldier who found out his entire existence was built on an evil plot, would be warranted in questioning who he is and wanting to leave his soldier life behind. But no, he's exactly the same and is eager to be a good guy. This show could do so much more with its character if it just had some balls.
Personally, I would have used Onyo to being out a new side of Sabine. Make her angry, hurt, furious at the sight of the person who left her for dead. Make her refuse to forgive this person who did so much to her. And maybe eave it ambiguous what exactly happened, so much that she refuses to talk about it. And don't resolve it in this one. Yes, that would make Sabine less than virtuous, but it would also make her 10x more interesting and relatable. But I guess they might not sell as many toys if she has some hidden darkness to her.
Wow I didn't mean to hate on this one as much as I did but this show can really frustrate me. Like come on, writers. You're playing in the Star Wars galaxy. You could do anything, something new, something unique. But instead you just turn in this lame old shit that no one will remember.
Ok moving on. Ezra felt pretty wasted in this one. I'm not really sure what happened to him after Sabine left but whatever. It's strange how unimportant Rex and Ahsoka feel. Along with Vader, they were the season's selling points. As it is, this season hasn't been the improvement I hoped for when we got off Lothal. Every episode opens like a video game mission and then is just as well plotted. I feel like we still don't know much about the dynamic of the Rebel Alliance and that's kind of odd. The characters were struggling at the beginning of the season at the idea of becoming soldiers. But so far it doesn't feel like they are. Yeah, they are doing stuff for the Rebellion, but the stuff they're doing isn't much more interesting than what they did last season. They still just feel like "The Ghost Crew" which I admit I don't love.
I'm not gonna bomb this episode's score. 4/10. It was fine, watchable, which is pretty much all Rebels seems to aspire to be. And that's a damn shame. It's hard to believe Filoni is behind this, because it lacks the passion of TCW. I guess that was something he really wanted to do and this is just something he was assigned to do.
This show could be so much more. But just like seemingly all of Disney Star Wars, it settles for "fine"
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Post by Newan on Jan 19, 2020 0:07:44 GMT -5
This show could be so much more. But just like seemingly all of Disney Star Wars, it settles for "fine" I don’t know I honestly felt the same way about TCW a lot of the time in the rewatch :/ just so many episodes that are like? Do we need this over the other plots. TCW had much higher highs for me but lower lows.... being stuck on a meh arc for a month was just terrible. I like Rebels and the stories it tells tbh and after a few watches the ghost crew grew on me a lot as a family type dynamic. Most of my favorite episodes/ parts of the show we haven’t watched yet though. But DF does a wonderful job on Rebels imo telling stories and bringing in stuff fans want. He brought in Thrawn which was a crazy concept at the start of Rebels but people loved it.
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