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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 19, 2019 14:54:09 GMT -5
December 20, 2019 - January 2, 2020
Episode 1: The Siege of Lothal, Part 1 Episode 2: The Siege of Lothal, Part 2 Episode 3: The Lost Commanders Episode 4: Relics of the Old Republic
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Post by Newan on Dec 20, 2019 10:43:31 GMT -5
All good episodes imo
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 22, 2019 18:21:00 GMT -5
Will probably get to these tomorrow
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 22, 2019 20:17:58 GMT -5
Siege part 1: Would be great if each fucking episode didn't open with some lame space battle... The Empire loses every time as well hate how incompetent they're portrayed to be. But after that it was decent. It was kinda cool seeing them on the run. I didn't realize Maketh died in this episode I thought she still had more of a role. But yeah pretty okay episode. In regards to episode quality it still feels like they have the momentum from the second half of season 1. Meaning it feels like it's getting better (but slowly however). Animation looked better too. Another good thing was how little of a part Ezra had lol. Seriously fuck that kid
Siege part 2: Still okay. Neither are spectacular but they're decent. The Vader "duel" was stupid though... Anyone else notice how often the bad guys are using force push to knock back Kanan/Ezra? Inqy did this all the time. It's really dumb for Vader though. Like realistically the moment he grabbed Kanan's hands, he would've just plunged his saber into him. Both would've died in seconds that scene just wasn't done well. But ultimately this is a problem of introducing Vader so early on. And then him engaging the "fleet" (not much of a fleet though is it?) alone was really cocky... Like I know he's badass and whatever but there are limits. tbh if he had just brought back up with him, they would've been done right there. But plot armor I guess...
Also I legit forgot Ahsoka was even in this until she asked to tag along on the Ghost lol. I am surprised Vader told Palpatine about her though. I would imagine that would be something he'd keep secret.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2019 12:13:05 GMT -5
Part 1 of the premiere I thought was quite good. I did like the on the run aspect. Everything always seems to work out easily for the Rebels so it was good to see the Empire as actually dangerous. And though I’m not big on Vader’s Dooku-proportioned helmet and thin figure, he was quite good and intimidating in this episode.
I was pretty sure the Minister was in later seasons so I was surprised to see her go. I’m glad they finally used stormtrooper armor. It seems like they would have done that a long time ago. Hopefully they just keep that armor set around for Kanan so they don’t have to worry about stealing it later.
Anyway yeah this episode was a strong start and a good change of pace. 8/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2019 13:23:26 GMT -5
I was gonna say Sam Witwer does a hell of a job as Palpatine but I found out they actually had Ian McDiarmid dub the lines for him later. Lol I know he’s a good Palpatine though.
I thought this episode was kinda a step down. I don’t think the show did a great job of establishing Ahsoka or what their relationship is with her. Like if I hadn’t seen Clone Wars, I’d be a bit confused at her appearance. And either way, she feels kinda out of place IMO.
Anyway I didn’t think this half was as good. Opening fight was fine but Vader had plenty of chances to kill Kanan and Ezra but then just didn’t. I think they did a good job in showing the extent of his power though.
Idk how I feel about the space battle at the end. Literally everyone seems to have plot armor which removes really any tension. Like it’s cool to see Vader in action but he can’t really do anything that’s significant.
Anyway I kinda wish they waited to introduce Vader. I feel like that would be a cool way to end Season 2. Maybe learn who Ahsoka is and how she’s changed before immediately bringing him in. Idk.
Anyway it’s a 7/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2019 21:33:26 GMT -5
Overall though I thought the characters were written a lot better than Season 1. Even Zeb didn’t piss me off. Hopeful this continues.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 23, 2019 21:35:53 GMT -5
Lost Commanders: Interesting episode. Something different from the norm. I agree like you said Spider Ahsoka seems really out of place in the show. But tbh it kind of makes sense and I think it's actually almost good that she feels different here. Seems fitting of her character. But anyway I don't understand how a Tactical droid head led them right to the clones... But whatever... The droid also didn't really sound like they did in TCW. Kind of odd that the clones just lounge around in their armor lol. Initially when I saw it the first time I thought Gregor wasn't wearing any armor but I think he has the gauntlets and shin guards. I guess most of his armor was probably heavily damaged anyway. That's my explanation of why there was a plain phase I helmet there instead of a commando one... Also why are they all so fat lmao. Not even just one of them all of them. And their armor looks fat too... But maybe it's more realistic idk. TCW didn't have the best proportions for characters
Relics: Cool how they incorporated the Clone theme as well as some TESB sounding tracks in this. Like the last one, this one also felt pretty unique compared to what the rest of the show's been like. When they went into the storm it kind of reminded me of Cat and Mouse actually. Tbh it's sad seeing Gregor like that compared to what he was... But at the same time he is also annoying lol. Also I feel like the clones look too old... If they were around 30 in TCW they'd be about mid 40s now. That is if they aged normally. Idk what the deal with the accelerated growth is... But considering Rex is in ROTJ I feel like it's not in their system... idk. Anyway good to see Rex and Ahsoka reunited and the inquisitor at the end actually looks pretty scary... To bad I think he's a pussy lol
So both are decent and strong episodes. But still I'm not blown away by anything... And it feels like they're trying too hard by showing all these legacy characters so early
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 0:44:14 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to Ahsoka showing up here. But I don't think she was introduced very well. Yes, we know who she is, but we hardly know as of yet how she's changed and where she is going. And I feel like people who hadn't seen Clone Wars would be really confused. I was expecting her appearance in the Season 1 finale to be a bit more substantial, but instead she has like a 30 second pep talk that could've been given by anyone.
And then starting off in the Season 2 premiere, she's just there. From the standpoint of a first time viewer, her realization comes as we barely know or care about her and probably doesn't make sense. Either way I'd like to see more of her before Vader shows up. I think he should have been saved for Season 3 or 4.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 0:47:56 GMT -5
Started Episode 3, it feels a bit weird for Ahsoka to just now bring up what I presume to be Rex. And if the Tactical droid is a likely way to do it, it seems unlikely she wouldn't have tried it yet. I don't know, a lot of the inciting incidents on this show feel janky.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 1:01:04 GMT -5
Jesus Christ what did they do to Gregor
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 1:07:44 GMT -5
What the fuck is going on
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 1:10:25 GMT -5
Zeb has got some Marine-grade plot armor.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 2:54:09 GMT -5
Yeah not gonna lie I did not dig that episode... I was actually pretty excited to see Rex. But god that episode was frustrating. It seemed random that Ahsoka would just pull this out of her ass and not tried it years ago. I don't know how that Tactical Droid would somehow have it. Also, that Tactical Droid seemed designed and voiced by someone who didn't know what a Tactical Droid was. Glad they left Chopper in space and glad Zeb is a bit less irritating, but everyone else sure made up for it.
Okay, let me start off with what I liked. Kanan and Rex being at odds made total sense. I hope they don't fully trust each other, at least for awhile. It would be interesting if they had Rex snap at Kanan for blaming him for Order 66, so let's see what happens here.
I have a number of questions about this whole situation though. So Rex did get the message from Fives to take out his chip? Okay but then if he realized the truth Fives died for, why wouldn't expose it? Are you telling me Rex knew about Order 66 and sat on it? In that case, Kanan is right, fuck him. I think it takes away from the tragedy of Fives' death if someone else found out and then didn't do anything about it. Isn't it kinda weird that the three fan favorite clones all magically took their chips out and ended up together? Crazy. Did Rex really tell them to get them removed but not Jesse or Kix? It would make way more sense for Rex to be stranded here with them.
They go hunting for joopas. Okay whatever, gotta kill time somehow. No way we could fill 22 minutes of actual story. So Gregor FUCKING KILLS Zeb. There is no way in hell he would survive that. I'm not sure Thor would even survive that. Or at the very least he'd be torn to shreds and unrecognizable. This feels like the Star Wars version of keelhauling. But whatever, Gregor is retarded now, right? But surely Rex will scold Gregor and do everything he can to free Zeb? NO. He and Wolffe play along and let it happen. What the hell? But fine, they're dicks who didn't stop Order 66. But surely Ezra and Sabine will stop this? NO. They play along too and use it to bond with the clones. Dumb kids. But surely Kanan will put an end to this madness? NO. He'll help out and only get mildly irritated at the whole situation. For all they know and in all logic, Zeb is dead and his torn up body is being used to drag this thing? And no one cares. Not even Zeb. What is this? Am I missing something? These people are psychopaths.
And then we get to Wolffe's betrayal. First of all, what is he actually trying to accomplish here? Their goal is to stay off the Empire's radar, right? But he's afraid they'll know they helped the Rebels? What? How? And calling them you think will help? I thought it was the probe droid framing them but no, that turned out to be pointless. But then, five seconds later, Wolffe apologizes and is instantly forgiven. Huh? That felt so forced and rushed. Why do that? This is a two parter! Why not leave that thread to be resolved. I don't think Wolffe would do this in this first place. But if you're gonna make that change, make that change! Don't backpedal after thirty seconds!
This episode was poorly plotted, had everyone act like an idiot, and butchered what should have been an epic return.
So it's bad, irritating, dumb. But is it "Secret Weapons" levels of those things? Yes. 3/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 3:59:10 GMT -5
Clearly Relics of the Old Republic is way better. I think they put all their energy into this one and wrote the last episode in ten minutes. Anyway, I thought the ATAT battle was handled really well. And I like how they used the force to find them. That whole sequence was quite good. They showed in this episode how much the Jedi and the clones need each other.
The episode builds off the natural distrust between Rex and Kanan. Luckily it seems like they're gonna stick with that. I'm not a fan of Wolffe's rapid character changes. The more I think about, it would have been cooler to have him stay an antagonist and maybe have Rex forced to kill him or something.
Anyway this episode was a massive step up and there's not much to pick apart. Rex and Ahsoka's reunion I thought was handled really well. I think the ending was a little awkward but that's alright. Not sure what to think of this replacement inquisitor. Anyway 7.5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 24, 2019 4:20:00 GMT -5
Rex 21 BBY: General Krell, you're being relieved of duty. Rex 3 BBY: I always trust my General.
Rex: Stand down soldiers, that's an order! Wolffe: Dude, we're both Commanders and you literally never made it past Captain.
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Post by Newan on Dec 30, 2019 8:10:53 GMT -5
I’ll get too watching this tomorrow or Wednesday, I’m glad there was a two week gap. Was busy this week and with family. I’m on 10 days vacation time now though from work. Basically gonna spend the first 2 days getting a lot of sleep
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 30, 2019 10:27:37 GMT -5
I'm already on season 3 lol. I've been writing down my thoughts on each episode so I'll post them as the rewatch catches up. But basically for the most part I am pretty disappointed with nearly everything...
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 30, 2019 12:26:34 GMT -5
I'm already on season 3 lol. I've been writing down my thoughts on each episode so I'll post them as the rewatch catches up. But basically for the most part I am pretty disappointed with nearly everything...
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 12:17:10 GMT -5
Just watched part 1 of Siege of Lothal, good episode all around, the first like 4 minutes in the space sequence are kind of trash but the rest is great. Vader is an intimidating presence and I’m glad he’s sparsely used in this show, in fact I think he only shows up in season 2 and makes a cameo later on. Vader’s leadership seems to get much better results, similar to Thrawn later on. You can tell that Vader, Tarkin and Thrawn are the competent leaders in the show and Inquisitors, Kallus, and basicslly any other officer are kind of goons. Grand Inquisitor wasn’t too bad I guess,
It’s always interesting to think about how Vader acts differently then Anakin... Anakin would have jumped off that balcony into the hanger where the Rebels were at. Vader just casually walked, but Vader is also smarter and wanted to frame the Rebels for murder before taking them out. Although in the comics Vader is a lot more direct as well and the Emperor gets mad at him for it a lot for not seeing the bigger picture at times.
Anyways going to say 8/10, good episode but not great mainly due to the intro. I also liked that they started doing the stormtrooper disguise, although I’m pretty sure Kanan outfit out ranked the stormtrooper guard that was in his way.... kind of a weird interaction.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 12:44:35 GMT -5
Part 2 is also pretty cool, Vader is great and I like how he just totally overpowers anyone he deals with. The plot armor is definitely felt here though. Vader could have easily killed everyone and destroyed the entire fleet. He’s done similar things in the comics against stronger Jedi too.
I liked how Vader just shows up by himself though and starts fucking shit up at the end, definitely shows how legendary of a pilot Anakin really was. Ahsoka probably knew the moment he saw his flying, nobody she’s seen probably used a starfighter like that.
The Emperor cameo is great and it’s in line with other stuff that the Emperor wouldn’t want Vader to pursue. The emperor is patient like that. I also liked the Lando cameo and thought the droid was kind of funny, even more so after Solo.
Anyways I’ll say 7/10, this could be an 8 but idk the plot armor is strong. Oh and Vader should have walked onto the bridge and force choked that officer.... maybe not kill him but at least force choke.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 13:10:27 GMT -5
Yeah not gonna lie I did not dig that episode... I was actually pretty excited to see Rex. But god that episode was frustrating. It seemed random that Ahsoka would just pull this out of her ass and not tried it years ago. I don't know how that Tactical Droid would somehow have it. Also, that Tactical Droid seemed designed and voiced by someone who didn't know what a Tactical Droid was. Glad they left Chopper in space and glad Zeb is a bit less irritating, but everyone else sure made up for it. Okay, let me start off with what I liked. Kanan and Rex being at odds made total sense. I hope they don't fully trust each other, at least for awhile. It would be interesting if they had Rex snap at Kanan for blaming him for Order 66, so let's see what happens here. I have a number of questions about this whole situation though. So Rex did get the message from Fives to take out his chip? Okay but then if he realized the truth Fives died for, why wouldn't expose it? Are you telling me Rex knew about Order 66 and sat on it? In that case, Kanan is right, fuck him. I think it takes away from the tragedy of Fives' death if someone else found out and then didn't do anything about it. Isn't it kinda weird that the three fan favorite clones all magically took their chips out and ended up together? Crazy. Did Rex really tell them to get them removed but not Jesse or Kix? It would make way more sense for Rex to be stranded here with them. They go hunting for joopas. Okay whatever, gotta kill time somehow. No way we could fill 22 minutes of actual story. So Gregor FUCKING KILLS Zeb. There is no way in hell he would survive that. I'm not sure Thor would even survive that. Or at the very least he'd be torn to shreds and unrecognizable. This feels like the Star Wars version of keelhauling. But whatever, Gregor is retarded now, right? But surely Rex will scold Gregor and do everything he can to free Zeb? NO. He and Wolffe play along and let it happen. What the hell? But fine, they're dicks who didn't stop Order 66. But surely Ezra and Sabine will stop this? NO. They play along too and use it to bond with the clones. Dumb kids. But surely Kanan will put an end to this madness? NO. He'll help out and only get mildly irritated at the whole situation. For all they know and in all logic, Zeb is dead and his torn up body is being used to drag this thing? And no one cares. Not even Zeb. What is this? Am I missing something? These people are psychopaths. And then we get to Wolffe's betrayal. First of all, what is he actually trying to accomplish here? Their goal is to stay off the Empire's radar, right? But he's afraid they'll know they helped the Rebels? What? How? And calling them you think will help? I thought it was the probe droid framing them but no, that turned out to be pointless. But then, five seconds later, Wolffe apologizes and is instantly forgiven. Huh? That felt so forced and rushed. Why do that? This is a two parter! Why not leave that thread to be resolved. I don't think Wolffe would do this in this first place. But if you're gonna make that change, make that change! Don't backpedal after thirty seconds! This episode was poorly plotted, had everyone act like an idiot, and butchered what should have been an epic return. So it's bad, irritating, dumb. But is it "Secret Weapons" levels of those things? Yes. 3/10. I think we will see order 66 in siege of Mandalore or something... I think we might see Rex remove his chip or Ahsoka will take it out or something. I think at some point during the siege we will see Kenobi and Anakin recalled to Coruscant and be left with Rex and Ahsoka staying behind. But I do agree with a lot of your points, there’s many plot holes in this episode.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 13:18:04 GMT -5
The Lost Commanders has some cool stuff but a lot of bad. I’m not going to go too far into it because well Spider kind of summed it up nicely... Rexs charscter seems pretty on point to me, I like that he isn’t even really against the Empire either, he seems indifferent to them at least at the moment. Wolfe seems out of place to me, but he’s obviously here because of Filoni but I don’t think we ever saw Wolfe and Rex interact with each other, I’m guessing Rex tried to get to as many of the commanders as possible to remove their chips or something. Gregor seems ok, I guess it makes sense he would have brain damage.
The whole story of the episode is kind of childish but I still like most of the scenes with Rex, especially now that he’s older and wiser. He still had a innocent respect of Anakin though and it’s ironic how he says “I never betrayed my general”... yeah because yours is the Imperial leader lol. I always wondered how that was covered up, technically most of the 501st should know who Vader is, or at the very least they know Anakin slaughtered a bunch of Jedi. Wait no... he was still addressed as Lord Vader before the suit as well, so yeah they should know... Rex must have been on Mandalore like I said.
Oh I like Sabine’s new hair, I didn’t like rainbow season 1 hair. But season 4 black with a bit of color was the best. Actually I think my favorite was just the all black hair when shes undercover in season 3...
Anyways Lost Commanders has a lot of plot holes but it’s by no means the worst of the show imo, actually there’s worse later in this season imo. I’ll say 4/10.... yeah it’s probably Out of Darkness levels of bad. Although the episode isn’t even that bad imo, it’s just too contradicting to other stuff I guess.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 13:20:10 GMT -5
Oh I liked when Hera said the clones saved her and then we got a little bit of the Ryloth arc music...
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2020 13:36:47 GMT -5
Oh I liked when Hera said the clones saved her and then we got a little bit of the Ryloth arc music... Oh yeah that was a cool touch.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 13:46:36 GMT -5
Relics of the Old Republic is much better and so far I really like the character development we get with Kanan this season. First we see his disinterest in joining a second war and now we see his distrust of clone troopers. Like I said when the show started most of the character development is in seasons 2 and 3. We really only get Ezra and his training in season 1. But we will get quite a bit for Zeb this season I believe it is, Heras and Sabine is both season 2 and 3 for the most part.
Wolfe again seems kind of useless, so does Gregor and I’m not sure we ever see them again after this point unless they come back in season 4? I kind of forget now. Rex will be with us till the end though and he’s a nice addition to the Rebellion centric episodes, a steady voice of reason.
The AT-ATs are cool, although I think Solo kind of contradicts this episode. Don’t we see an AT-AT on Corellia in Solo? This episode makes it seem like they are new, but then again Rex has been away from the empire for sometime now I suppose.
Anyways I’ll say 7/10, solid episode but nothing amazing and no glaring flaws.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 13:50:09 GMT -5
Rex 21 BBY: General Krell, you're being relieved of duty. Rex 3 BBY: I always trust my General. Rex: Stand down soldiers, that's an order! Wolffe: Dude, we're both Commanders and you literally never made it past Captain. Honestly I was kind of thinking how clone ranks work... maybe Rex never made it past Captain because Anakins battalion already had a commander (Ahsoka). But when you look at say Kenobi or Plo-Koon with Cody and Wolfe respectively those Jedi didn’t have Padawans. I’m trying to think of an instance where that theory might get contradicted, but maybe a clone can’t be a commander if there’s a Jedi commander to not contradict orders or something.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2020 13:51:24 GMT -5
Well I guess there’s Commander Gree I think with Luminara and Barriss? Although Luminara barley even fought in battles, she was more of a diplomat.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2020 16:43:43 GMT -5
Wasted opportunity not having Rex find out about Anakin. This whole show is just wasted potential in its entirety
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2020 19:30:29 GMT -5
Wasted opportunity not having Rex find out about Anakin. This whole show is just wasted potential in its entirety He never finds out? What the fuck.
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