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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 14, 2019 23:03:54 GMT -5
We've come to it at last. Not only the end of Season 5 but the end of an era. And maybe our childhoods.
March 15th - 21st 2019
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Post by Star on Mar 15, 2019 9:05:43 GMT -5
I can't believe the rewatch is almost over.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 17, 2019 22:18:45 GMT -5
Not sure when I'm going to watch these.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 18, 2019 1:30:43 GMT -5
Went ahead with the first episode. I’ll post reviews once I finish the arc.
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Post by Newan on Mar 18, 2019 9:54:35 GMT -5
School ends in a few weeks (classses) probably gonna binge the rest of the rewatch after that when I hsve lots more time
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 21, 2019 0:28:45 GMT -5
I’ll watch the rest of this arc on Friday.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 22, 2019 22:50:04 GMT -5
I remembered Sabotage just kinda existing as an alright prologue to a much better arc, but this is a pretty good episode in its own right.
The opening is maybe a little too derivative of ROTS for its own good, but it’s still a very fun scene and very well done visually. The rest of the episode plays out likely a standard whodunit mystery. But it keeps a really good tone and sense of foreboding throughout.
It has to be did that the episode handled its more mature subject matter quite well. Characters blowing themselves up, isn’t new to yhis show, nor is terrorism, but this episode deals with that and does it well. The discussions around it are very mature, and I like the closing “there will be Jedi who disappoint us.” Letta is a pretty good character as well. The way she carries herself feels very real and I like how angry she makes Ahsoka by the end.
Like I said before, the tone is done very well and part of that is the music which is very affective here as well. There’s a particular track that plays when Ahsoka looks at the holographic crime scene gat instills a particular feeling of dread and hopelessness.
This is an episode that ended up being noticeably better than I remembered. I might go back to this but I right now I’ll give it an 8/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 1:01:35 GMT -5
I can’t really knock this arc for this but I wish Barriss had a more recurring role on the show.
Having her randomly show back up after three seasons immediately raises suspicion.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 9:14:30 GMT -5
I can’t really knock this arc for this but I wish Barriss had a more recurring role on the show. Having her randomly show back up after three seasons immediately raises suspicion. That's one of my main issues with the story. It's pretty obvious she has a bigger role than what it seems. When it's kept a mystery until the end of the final installment of the arc, it just doesn't deliver a punch, since it was expected.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 10:18:29 GMT -5
If people watching aren’t super fans, they’d be forgiven for not even remembering who Barriss is. The only reason we (on SW.com) didn’t give her as much suspicion was because we knew who she was.
Just literally having her pop up in a few arcs in Seasons 3 and 4 could’ve fixed this problem.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 10:20:05 GMT -5
Like maybe one of the many times Plo Koon rescued someone, they could’ve had Barriss be there instead. Or maybe we could see her become a Knight.
Idk. Anything.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 11:05:46 GMT -5
If people watching aren’t super fans, they’d be forgiven for not even remembering who Barriss is. The only reason we (on SW.com) didn’t give her as much suspicion was because we knew who she was. Just literally having her pop up in a few arcs in Seasons 3 and 4 could’ve fixed this problem. Even if she was in the background but didn't speak, it would've been fine. It's almost like the writers didn't plan to use her again, but decided on this twist late into production, so it was too late.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 11:13:31 GMT -5
If people watching aren’t super fans, they’d be forgiven for not even remembering who Barriss is. The only reason we (on SW.com) didn’t give her as much suspicion was because we knew who she was. Just literally having her pop up in a few arcs in Seasons 3 and 4 could’ve fixed this problem. Even if she was in the background but didn't speak, it would've been fine. It's almost like the writers didn't plan to use her again, but decided on this twist late into production, so it was too late. She showed up again in “Grievous Intrugue” but that was the episode right after the Geonosis Arc so it doesn’t really count. The only other time I can recall was her and Ahsoka flying starfighters in the intro to “Darkness on Umbara.” (It’s a blink and you’ll miss it cameo)
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 11:29:17 GMT -5
Even if she was in the background but didn't speak, it would've been fine. It's almost like the writers didn't plan to use her again, but decided on this twist late into production, so it was too late. She showed up again in “Grievous Intrugue” but that was the episode right after the Geonosis Arc so it doesn’t really count. The only other time I can recall was her and Ahsoka flying starfighters in the intro to “Darkness on Umbara.” (It’s a blink and you’ll miss it cameo) Oh yeah, that's true. They were heading another aspect of the Umbaran campaign. But even still, that's part of the intro, so IDK if I would count it.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 11:32:16 GMT -5
She showed up again in “Grievous Intrugue” but that was the episode right after the Geonosis Arc so it doesn’t really count. The only other time I can recall was her and Ahsoka flying starfighters in the intro to “Darkness on Umbara.” (It’s a blink and you’ll miss it cameo) Oh yeah, that's true. They were heading another aspect of the Umbaran campaign. But even still, that's part of the intro, so IDK if I would count it. Yeah probably not.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 11:33:57 GMT -5
Maybe she could’ve been one of the pilots for Citadel Rescue? I mean it’s kinda ridiculous how half the council was apparently available for that mission.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 11:36:35 GMT -5
I looked her up on Wookiepedia, and it turns out she apparently was in "Deception". I don't recall this, but it must've been another brief background appearance.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 11:41:44 GMT -5
I'm watching this one now, and I'm enjoying it way more than I remembered. It's possible this arc may top Umbara for me and be my favorite of the TCW.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 11:41:47 GMT -5
I looked her up on Wookiepedia, and it turns out she apparently was in "Deception". I don't recall this, but it must've been another brief background appearance. Probably at Obi-Wan’s funeral. Wonder if she knew yet that she would cause the next funeral we see.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 11:42:35 GMT -5
I'm watching this one now, and I'm enjoying it way more than I remembered. It's possible this arc may top Umbara for me and be my favorite of the TCW. Yeah don’t get me wrong this arc is incredible. It says something that the biggest thing wrong with it isn’t even in this arc.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 11:46:03 GMT -5
Actually my other problem may be that I still don’t understand how Barriss infiltrates the detention center and kills troopers without being detected.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 11:57:15 GMT -5
Actually my other problem may be that I still don’t understand how Barriss infiltrates the detention center and kills troopers without being detected. That's a bit odd, but maybe she had inside help or planned it well enough to find ways in and out.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 12:00:26 GMT -5
Watching this arc also makes me really sad we didn't get the see the other Ahsoka stories. Her walkabout one would've been pretty fun I think, but I'm not sure if it would need 4 episodes. The Sith Temple one sounded really interesting though and probably would've served as a good mix of tones between the S5 finale and the Force arc.
You could also count the Siege of Mandalore I suppose, but that wasn't centered around her. At least we'll be getting this one, which is the most important to the overall saga of the three.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 13:40:07 GMT -5
The Jedi Who Knew Too Much is one of my favorite episodes of the whole show. The way everything plays out is so tragic and devastating, and I love how well it's handled.
I'm not sure what I expected to happen Ahsoka when I first saw this one (I was on an airplane and I missed everything before Ahsoka got to the prison) but I didn't expect this. There's something about the atmosphere of the first few minutes that tells you something is going to go down. I'm a little annoyed at how obvious Barriss's reactions were in retrospect but it doesn't take away from this one. I like that they callback to Geonosis but they can't really undo the lack of Barriss there has been for three years.
Once Ahsoka is arrested and shit hits the fan, this becomes one of the greatest episodes. It's shocking enough when Ahsoka realizes she has been expertly set up and fallen into this trap, but things get taken to another level once Anakin shows up. It's really an emotional high both times the two face each other. It's a real "no going back now" moment when she's surrounded by clones and it hits really hard, especially the first time seeing it.
And the scene between Anakin and Ahsoka is so well done at the end. Matt Lanter and Ashley Eckstein really sell it. It's one of the best scenes in the entire show.
Before I get to the final score, I really have to praise the music and cinematography. I like how they incorporate Ahsoka's theme into the exciting chase music, and it adds some tragedy to it. Each time I hear that song, I always think about TCW movie. The rain is an excellent touch. We don't see that very often on Coruscant but I think it adds a lot to that atmosphere and the episode wouldn't be as good without it. The atmosphere overall during the escape is very very well done.
I deliberated about this a bit, but this a 10/10 episode for me.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 13:59:26 GMT -5
I remember seeing this episode on a "worst of" list, which I really don't understand. I don't love To Catch a Jedi as much as the last one, but this is still a really good episode. I always like seeing the Underworld, and the vibe really gives a feel of how far Ahsoka has fallen.
I like that they brought Ventress into this. I wish they made her a little more convincing red herring but I was never really gonna believe Ventress was behind this anyway. Ahsoka and her have an interesting dynamic and it's a bit crazy they haven't seen each other since "Cloak of Darkness." I also liked that they continued to develop Ventress as a character. I'm not sure why she would relocate to Coruscant of all places but ah whatever. I guess she doesn't like sand.
There are some quick but pretty good action scenes sprinkled in here. The train sequence is the best train fight sequence I've seen all month (sorry Captain Marvel) and seeing Ventress kick the shit out of clones is kind of funny. Though if you look closely they had plenty of opportunities to stun her.
Ahsoka had to realize it was pretty stupid to enlist Ventress's help, even if she wasn't the one who betrayed her. But I like that it did end of biting her in the ass in the next episode. And also her casually walking off the train Arya Stark-style ends up in her being chased and almost dying in that elevator. She makes some stupid decisions here but they feel like they all have consequences. Chief among those stupid decisions is calling Barriss. Again, I wish they'd done more throughout the show to demonstrate they were friends. When I think of Ahsoka turning to someone for help I'd almost rather expect her to wring up Tera Sinube. Yeah, that was more recent than last time we saw Barriss.
I think the fight scene at the end is really well done, even while it was set up with an Ambush Game style takedown. The setting is cool for this and it's interesting to see Ahsoka completely outmatched. Barriss seemed a lot more capable here but maybe that was the brain worms. There's also a moment when Barriss cuts a pipe and gets gas in Ahsoka's eyes. And I can't tell if that's a callback to Luminara vs Ventress. But anyway, this last fight is just so appropriately brutal. And that moment when her lightsaber falls, you just know it's over. Wolffe taking her down was just burying what was already dead.
And this ends with the most suspenseful cliffhanger since "Plan of Dissent." It is another really good episode. I think a 9/10 is appropriate.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 14:05:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Ahsoka was always going to be framed or if she just really fucked herself over by saying she wanted to make sure Letta paid for what she did.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 15:14:35 GMT -5
The Wrong Jedi is a near-perfect episode and easily the best Season finale we got. It's also a good end to Ahsoka's character. Much better than her living through the whole saga and sitting out the Galactic Civil War like some lazy fucking bitch. But anyway I'm getting ahead of myself.
There is so much that is great about this episode that I could really talk about how masterful every scene is but I'll try not to. Beginning with the Jedi Council scene, this episode really shows how broken the order is and even kinda justifies Anakin betraying them, something I never thought this show would do. I like how Obi-Wan is the only one to defend Ahsoka but he is shut down and forced to get in line with the other Jedi. The Chamber of Judgement scene shows this as well. They breeze on by it and as Anakin says, it's just a formality. And then they sit there as Tarkin argues Ahsoka be given the death penalty, and you know they won't do anything to challenge it should it happen.
Anakin is the MVP in this episode. Every scene with him is really powerful. Even him calling Ahsoka "snips" for the last time hurts. I'm glad they kept that one and not "Skyguy." On this rewatch, I tried to see when that disappeared and I think it was somewhere in the first half of Season 2. Anyway, I love how driven he is and how he's unwilling to accept what seems inevitable, much like he is when trying to save Padme in ROTS. His scene with Ventress is really badass. That's all I'll say. I like how far they took his character and made his attitude in ROTS actually make a lot of sense. At the beginning of the show, he disobeys orders at times but still is trying to fit in within the Jedi. He even has pretty good camaraderie with Mace Windu. But with Rako Hardeen and this arc, we understand why that stops being the case.
I still do have some questions about Barriss' plan. Was Ahsoka always the target? Did Barriss know Letta would ask for her? I don't know. I guess she might have been planning all this for the last three seasons. But I guess that's not the point. This is more tragedy than mystery. Even though it hasn't been set up well, Barriss is well done in this arc. Her battle with Anakin has a lot of anger on both sides and it's satisfying when Anakin kicks her ass. And her speech is one of the best moments of the episode. It is scarily accurate of where the Jedi have become and actually ties into who she was in the Geonosis arc. The Order has changed so much that it has become a corrupt shell of itself. Its destruction is imminent.
Ahsoka's exit is perfectly executed. The way the Jedi try to absolve themselves of the blame is infuriating but fits so well in their character. That exchange alone makes you side with Ahsoka as well as understand Anakin's position in ROTS. Their scene at the end is heartbreaking but it feels like there was no other way. Everything comes together perfectly to come to it. I kind of wish Ahsoka said something like "The council didn't trust me so how can I trust them?" but that's just me. I kind of interpret their last words as Ahsoka saying she knows about Padme. The music and the way it closes out feels so well done. I'm glad they didn't cut to the normal music and went with the fade instead.
This is probably my favorite episode of the entire show. It just feels like the perfect way to end Ahsoka's story. 10/10.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 16:27:19 GMT -5
The way Sabotage opens up feels like Holocron Heist, but that's not a bad thing. If anything, the episode remains paced very nicely. I'm glad we got a competent droid detective versus a silly investigator like in Senate Murders. It helps create a more suspenseful and intense atmosphere. The music throughout the episode is also really appropriate.
Given Letta is a completely new character, I think she's handled well in this one. She doesn't come off as annoying, and honestly I think serves as an interesting look into the life and views of those on Coruscant. Speaking of which, the protest outside the Jedi Temple was a cool scene, and I liked Cin Drallig's inclusion.
As always, I love seeing more of Coruscant. Ahsoka's comment about their living conditions not being the best despite working for the Jedi Temple was a nice touch. Prior to this episode, I don't think many thought non-Jedi/droids could work in the Temple, but it's neat that they do hire others. Additionally, Ahsoka conveys the thoughts and feelings of the viewer throughout the episode pretty well I think.
It feels a little disjointed from the next three episodes, but Sabotage holds its own as a great story. It easily could've been a standalone, but what followed were some of the best episodes in the series. I'll give this one 8.5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 23, 2019 18:26:52 GMT -5
Just realized that the first episode of pretty much every arc this season also kinda works as a stand-alone. The exception is Onderon but even that first episode feels a little disconnected from the rest of the arc.
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Post by Star on Mar 23, 2019 23:34:59 GMT -5
Just realized that the first episode of pretty much every arc this season also kinda works as a stand-alone. The exception is Onderon but even that first episode feels a little disconnected from the rest of the arc. A War on Two Fronts feels like a quasi-prologue to the rest.
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