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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 4, 2020 10:22:33 GMT -5
There is a problem with police honestly. Not all of them obviously but something needs to change. I think it transcends race, but when non-blacks are hurt by the system, and they are as well, it’s not as appealing of a story.
There should be change. But it’s hard to say how you really would enact that on a large level. I’ve heard it said that police officers will cover for other officers because “it’s a stressful job” and “they need to have each others’ backs.”
This behavior is disgusting and destructive IMO, but looting and rioting across America serves to make things worse. It just pushes a further “Us vs Them” mentality that I think will lead to more abuses and coverups.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 4, 2020 11:57:04 GMT -5
There is a problem with police honestly. Not all of them obviously but something needs to change. I think it transcends race, but when non-blacks are hurt by the system, and they are as well, it’s not as appealing of a story. There should be change. But it’s hard to say how you really would enact that on a large level. I’ve heard it said that police officers will cover for other officers because “it’s a stressful job” and “they need to have each others’ backs.” This behavior is disgusting and destructive IMO, but looting and rioting across America serves to make things worse. It just pushes a further “Us vs Them” mentality that I think will lead to more abuses and coverups. The key is bravery. As in cops who do have a half decent moral compass need to have some bravery and call out and crackdown on this kind of behaviour. If the police force can clean up, you start to lose these completely unnecessary killings that jumpstart these riots. |
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Post by zuma on Jun 5, 2020 7:15:04 GMT -5
It's the whole system that needs an overhaul. Police need better training for starters. There has to be actual consequences when they do bad shit. This guy had 17 complaints against him. The guy who stood and watched had 7 I think. They should have been off the force long before the got a chance to murder George Floyd.
It's a massive issue that the police are essentially policing themselves. The "independent" parties that look at wrongful police conduct are made up of police in a lot of cases. It's a problem that they can essentially just call the "I felt threated card" and get out of most situations.
And yes police need to stand up and say enough is enough. Some officers have quit because of this, many have knelt with protesters. That's all good.
But we can't keep saying "not all cops". If those supposedly good cops aren't actively stopping their colleagues from committing crimes they're not good cops, because good cops protect their communities, not their colleagues who are a threat to said community.
Like in that new video with that poor old man who got pushed so he fell so hard he lay unconscious and bleeding from the head. It was one officer who pushed but another 10-15 cops who just walked past without helping. None of them are good cops. And it took a video and yet another burst of public outrage for Buffalo to suspend them and withdraw their statement of how he "tripped and fell".
And I agree it is a general problem. Police is generally too rough with people regardless of their race. It's just an especially large issue for black people.
As for Floyd's character I honestly don't care. His death was murder. And he's just become the leading figure for the movement. If he's the leading figure in the solution to get actual change I don't really care if he's a saint or a robber, or if it's him, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery or someone else as long as the change finally happens.
Change is already a few centuries late as it is.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 5, 2020 10:02:13 GMT -5
It's the whole system that needs an overhaul. Police need better training for starters. There has to be actual consequences when they do bad shit. This guy had 17 complaints against him. The guy who stood and watched had 7 I think. They should have been off the force long before the got a chance to murder George Floyd. It's a massive issue that the police are essentially policing themselves. The "independent" parties that look at wrongful police conduct are made up of police in a lot of cases. It's a problem that they can essentially just call the "I felt threated card" and get out of most situations. And yes police need to stand up and say enough is enough. Some officers have quit because of this, many have knelt with protesters. That's all good. But we can't keep saying "not all cops". If those supposedly good cops aren't actively stopping their colleagues from committing crimes they're not good cops, because good cops protect their communities, not their colleagues who are a threat to said community.Like in that new video with that poor old man who got pushed so he fell so hard he lay unconscious and bleeding from the head. It was one officer who pushed but another 10-15 cops who just walked past without helping. None of them are good cops. And it took a video and yet another burst of public outrage for Buffalo to suspend them and withdraw their statement of how he "tripped and fell". And I agree it is a general problem. Police is generally too rough with people regardless of their race. It's just an especially large issue for black people. As for Floyd's character I honestly don't care. His death was murder. And he's just become the leading figure for the movement. If he's the leading figure in the solution to get actual change I don't really care if he's a saint or a robber, or if it's him, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery or someone else as long as the change finally happens. Change is already a few centuries late as it is. Hard agree. It's a hard problem because I know there will be chaos and vigilantism if they are defunded like the protestors want. But I can't pretend that I really trust the police or even really like them that much. We can't knock down the system but need to do our best to fix it. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 5, 2020 13:58:07 GMT -5
Sitting in a restaurant for the first time in months.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 6, 2020 7:30:54 GMT -5
Sitting in a restaurant for the first time in months. Is the lockdown there being fully lifted then? We're still waiting for our pubs to open their doors  |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 6, 2020 8:30:36 GMT -5
Sitting in a restaurant for the first time in months. Is the lockdown there being fully lifted then? We're still waiting for our pubs to open their doors I think it's technically lifted, but still businesses are being cautious. You could only sit at like 1/4 of the tables. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 6, 2020 15:19:20 GMT -5
Is the lockdown there being fully lifted then? We're still waiting for our pubs to open their doors I think it's technically lifted, but still businesses are being cautious. You could only sit at like 1/4 of the tables. Ah okay, I'm not surprised about that bit. Makes me wonder when we'll see the end of social distancing. Then again, reports are saying the virus is losing its danger factor, so maybe before the year is out we may just see things go to some version of normal sometime. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 6, 2020 16:48:56 GMT -5
I think it's technically lifted, but still businesses are being cautious. You could only sit at like 1/4 of the tables. so maybe before the year is out we may just see things go to some version of normal sometime. Bold of you to assume we will survive this year |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 6, 2020 17:13:22 GMT -5
I think it's technically lifted, but still businesses are being cautious. You could only sit at like 1/4 of the tables. Ah okay, I'm not surprised about that bit. Makes me wonder when we'll see the end of social distancing. Then again, reports are saying the virus is losing its danger factor, so maybe before the year is out we may just see things go to some version of normal sometime. The Dutch government just passed a social distancing law. I don't think it is going to disappear any time soon... In fact they already said it would have to last until at least September, and probably until 2021. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 6, 2020 17:19:56 GMT -5
Some guy keeps dming me on reddit to talk about Star Wars... Lmao. I indulge him most times because I mean I like discussing Star Wars but it's pretty weird that he wants to talk specifically to me... I kind of want to block him but idk sometimes he posts interesting threads on the Saltier than Crait sub. But I guess maybe commenting on those makes him want to dm me to continue the conversation or something. Idk why he needs to message me instead of just having the convo in the public thread
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 7, 2020 4:38:22 GMT -5
Some guy keeps dming me on reddit to talk about Star Wars... Lmao. I indulge him most times because I mean I like discussing Star Wars but it's pretty weird that he wants to talk specifically to me... I kind of want to block him but idk sometimes he posts interesting threads on the Saltier than Crait sub. But I guess maybe commenting on those makes him want to dm me to continue the conversation or something. Idk why he needs to message me instead of just having the convo in the public thread Well you've said how Star Wars fans on Reddit can just be a bunch of kids who praise anything shovelled to them. Maybe he just likes talking to someone has more interesting opinions than that |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 8, 2020 5:49:57 GMT -5
His name was David Dorn
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 8, 2020 10:43:25 GMT -5
Imagine being this fucking stupid.
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Post by Pinda on Jun 8, 2020 16:17:27 GMT -5
Imagine being this fucking stupid. Seems like they are just using the term 'disband' to draw attention to it. Seems more like an extreme reform. And the entire American justice system does need a reform. I mean police officers working in schools? That is just ridiculous. And then the US also has the highest rates of people living in imprisonment of nay country in the world. The highest rates of police murders of any civilized country (like the US rate is between that of Congo and Iraq, that says enough). Perhaps disbanding the current police force and rebuilding it from the start is not such a bad idea. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 8, 2020 16:42:11 GMT -5
Imagine being this fucking stupid. Seems like they are just using the term 'disband' to draw attention to it. Seems more like an extreme reform. And the entire American justice system does need a reform. I mean police officers working in schools? That is just ridiculous. And then the US also has the highest rates of people living in imprisonment of nay country in the world. The highest rates of police murders of any civilized country (like the US rate is between that of Congo and Iraq, that says enough). Perhaps disbanding the current police force and rebuilding it from the start is not such a bad idea. Sad to say but I think we need police officers in schools. When there’s outcry over violence here, it’s over either a white cop killing a black man or over a school shooting. I’m not a big fan of the cops but I think they’re staving off something a lot worse. I don’t want to see us turn that system on it’s head overnight. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 8, 2020 17:31:40 GMT -5
Seems like they are just using the term 'disband' to draw attention to it. Seems more like an extreme reform. And the entire American justice system does need a reform. I mean police officers working in schools? That is just ridiculous. And then the US also has the highest rates of people living in imprisonment of nay country in the world. The highest rates of police murders of any civilized country (like the US rate is between that of Congo and Iraq, that says enough). Perhaps disbanding the current police force and rebuilding it from the start is not such a bad idea. Sad to say but I think we need police officers in schools. When there’s outcry over violence here, it’s over either a white cop killing a black man or over a school shooting. I’m not a big fan of the cops but I think they’re staving off something a lot worse. I don’t want to see us turn that system on it’s head overnight. I mean I get school shootings are a reason for that. But still, there is something fundamentally wrong when a first world country needs to have police officers at a school. And I cannot imagine having anyone, police officer or not, carrying a weapon in a school here. When I first heard about that happening in the US it kind of blew my mind. I don't think I would have felt safe knowing there was an armed guard at my secondary school. It all seems to stem from the US's gun culture. Like you are more likely to use excessive force against someone when you know the chances of them being armed are pretty high. In Europe you can always assume (unless you are dealing with top level criminals) that the person you are dealing with is unarmed. So as a police officer you don't have to react with lethal force that often, because the chances of you getting shot are extremely low. I did not even see a gun in real life until I visited the Eiffel Tower when I was 16 and saw some armed guards there. So being a police officer here must be much more relaxed, which naturally leads to fewer cases of excessive violence being used. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 8, 2020 17:52:13 GMT -5
Had the first day of my internship today. Damn I'm not looking forward to this 9-5 shit everyday lol. Also I don't know anything... I'm hoping they don't expect too much because I literally don't understand any of the words they use...
And it's unfortunate it's all remote work like in some ways that's good but in other ways being in a physical office would be much better. Oh well I am just grateful they didn't completely cancel it. One theory is they kept it because the CEO's son is interning... 👀. Or maybe it's also because this company actually didn't suffer due to Covid and in fact needs more workers while other companies are forced to do lay offs
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 8, 2020 17:57:13 GMT -5
Sad to say but I think we need police officers in schools. When there’s outcry over violence here, it’s over either a white cop killing a black man or over a school shooting. I’m not a big fan of the cops but I think they’re staving off something a lot worse. I don’t want to see us turn that system on it’s head overnight. I mean I get school shootings are a reason for that. But still, there is something fundamentally wrong when a first world country needs to have police officers at a school. And I cannot imagine having anyone, police officer or not, carrying a weapon in a school here. When I first heard about that happening in the US it kind of blew my mind. I don't think I would have felt safe knowing there was an armed guard at my secondary school. It all seems to stem from the US's gun culture. Like you are more likely to use excessive force against someone when you know the chances of them being armed are pretty high. In Europe you can always assume (unless you are dealing with top level criminals) that the person you are dealing with is unarmed. So as a police officer you don't have to react with lethal force that often, because the chances of you getting shot are extremely low. I did not even see a gun in real life until I visited the Eiffel Tower when I was 16 and saw some armed guards there. So being a police officer here must be much more relaxed, which naturally leads to fewer cases of excessive violence being used. True enough about the culture. Can't really wipe it away though. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 8, 2020 19:10:17 GMT -5
The nice thing about the coronavirus is that it is actually the most anti-racist disease in history. In fact it is so against racism that if you go out and protest racism, the virus will just stop existing. Or at least that's what I'm getting from leaders on every level. After all, they said you were endangering humanity if you protest their ridiculous orders. But now, its completely safe to go burn buildings and shoot old men. Nothing wrong with that all.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 8, 2020 19:15:30 GMT -5
"You can't judge all protestors based on a few crazy rioters" Okay I won't "All officers are bad because of a few crazy cops"  |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 9, 2020 3:35:11 GMT -5
"You can't judge all protestors based on a few crazy rioters" Okay I won't "All officers are bad because of a few crazy cops" I'm genuinely starting to believe this isn't really about racism. At least not entirely. I think there's a lot of pent up frustration with all these lockdowns and it's left a lot of people wanting to find an outlet for it. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 9, 2020 3:37:28 GMT -5
"You can't judge all protestors based on a few crazy rioters" Okay I won't "All officers are bad because of a few crazy cops" I'm genuinely starting to believe this isn't really about racism. At least not entirely. I think there's a lot of pent up frustration with all these lockdowns and it's left a lot of people wanting to find an outlet for it. That as probably part of it. I don’t doubt that a sizable proportion are actually mad about Floyd, but many just want cover to destroy some shit. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 9, 2020 5:12:11 GMT -5
We should just make murder illegal.
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Post by Pinda on Jun 9, 2020 9:34:42 GMT -5
I mean I get school shootings are a reason for that. But still, there is something fundamentally wrong when a first world country needs to have police officers at a school. And I cannot imagine having anyone, police officer or not, carrying a weapon in a school here. When I first heard about that happening in the US it kind of blew my mind. I don't think I would have felt safe knowing there was an armed guard at my secondary school. It all seems to stem from the US's gun culture. Like you are more likely to use excessive force against someone when you know the chances of them being armed are pretty high. In Europe you can always assume (unless you are dealing with top level criminals) that the person you are dealing with is unarmed. So as a police officer you don't have to react with lethal force that often, because the chances of you getting shot are extremely low. I did not even see a gun in real life until I visited the Eiffel Tower when I was 16 and saw some armed guards there. So being a police officer here must be much more relaxed, which naturally leads to fewer cases of excessive violence being used. True enough about the culture. Can't really wipe it away though. I agree. In a country with more guns than people you cannot really change the gun culture over night. That is going to take decades probably. But some kind of reform should probably be attempted. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 9, 2020 9:37:57 GMT -5
"You can't judge all protestors based on a few crazy rioters" Okay I won't "All officers are bad because of a few crazy cops" I'm genuinely starting to believe this isn't really about racism. At least not entirely. I think there's a lot of pent up frustration with all these lockdowns and it's left a lot of people wanting to find an outlet for it. It is probably a combination of both. Lots of people losing their jobs or being stuck at home means they have more opportunities to protest racism... and yeah, some people might be bored and decide to use this opportunity to have some 'fun'. This is probably why a lot of people are protesting here as well. Like these have been large scale protests in every mayor city (and a bunch of minor ones) in the Netherlands by now. Aside from the first one they all tried to respect the anti-corona measures, but still I find it hard to believe there would have been this many people there if we had not just had a lockdown for 3 months. |
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Post by bane on Jun 9, 2020 15:56:04 GMT -5
Conservatives are winning hearts and minds across the world by simply not doing things like this
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 9, 2020 18:12:15 GMT -5
It’s fun to go on TV and see them try to redefine #DefundThePolice into something less idiotic. Like hey it just means reform, hey it just means mental health support, hey it just means giving people a voice.
Like that might be how you feel and I might agree with you on those things. But the people in the street are making it pretty clear what they want and it has nothing to do with improving society.
To most people, getting rid of something means getting rid of it.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 9, 2020 18:59:47 GMT -5
Fuck the police coming straight from the underground 😤
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 10, 2020 4:11:56 GMT -5
Anti-white racism is still racism.
Scapegoating an ethnic group is Nazi talk, no matter which group it is.
I am done apologizing for a crime I did not commit.
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