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Post by Spidyyr on May 25, 2018 11:38:06 GMT -5
Ok I haven’t seen this movie. I probably won’t. But I still wanted to discuss something I saw on the internet. Apparently Darth Maul shows up at the end and talks to Daenerys. What do y’all think of this? This is definitely surprising but honestly a lot less cool than it would be if Rebels hadn’t already shown and killed him.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 25, 2018 13:06:06 GMT -5
I really don't like the idea of Maul being wasted as a villain for a freaking Solo trilogy... What makes this cameo so weird is how it feels like this is supposed to be the first major moment he's used by Disney, yet he's already guest starred and met his fate in Rebels. Don't know if they're trying to get people to rewatch the show and get some more popularity, or they're just trying un-canon it slightly, which I'm perfectly fine with  Whatever this means it's something of a hollow easter egg. Especially with how he'll be made a (directly or not) Solo villain and not one for the inevitable Kenobi movie. |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 25, 2018 13:30:56 GMT -5
But to be fair, this is closer along the lines of where of where I wanted Maul to go. After killing Satine, I was very hopeful that would be the last time he and Obi-Wan would see each other. I didn’t want Maul to be defined by Kenobi forever and would like him to play deeper into the criminal aspects of his character.
But ultimately, his fate was to spend thirty years obsessed with Obi-Wan and abandon any development he had in order to be killed in the lamest lightsaber in Star Wars media.
I admit I’d be pretty interested if we hadn’t already seen his story end.
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Post by Kenbo on May 25, 2018 15:15:52 GMT -5
Heard this movie had more world building than TFA/ TLJ which is good
I'm gonna try to watch it maybe in a couple weeks. Trailers had me excited and I know people have their issues with Han's casting but honestly his portrayal seems "cool" and very ANH Han
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Post by Pinda on May 25, 2018 16:22:45 GMT -5
This movie does not seem worth watching, despite Maul being in it.
I am not paying 12 euros just for a Maul cameo.
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Post by Star on May 25, 2018 21:40:46 GMT -5
I found this to be a pretty solid film. Alden did much better than I expected as a Han Solo, and he even looked like Ford's twin for some of the shots. The characters were all enjoyable, but I'm surprised they killed off so many. The multiple twists at the end were entertaining, and Maul's cameo was unexpected, to say the least.
I think it works very well though, since it shows mainstream audiences that he is still alive. Having him in future Solo movies would probably make more sense than a Kenobi film, since Maul should be more focused on the underworld. That aspect of Maul was really interesting for me in TCW, so even though we know Maul dies in Rebels, we still have a lot of time with him to see what he does between ROTS and then.
There were some cringey parts of Solo, such as how he got his name. The concept of Lando and L3 having some sort of affair is also a bit disturbing (and a little humorous) to think. Lando being pansexual isn't bad, nor is it fully out of character, but it did seemed forced into the movie just for the sake of increasing representation. It's not bad, and I'm in support of the diversity, but it didn't really contribute to his character. However, I really liked the sabaac scenes and the Kessel Run largely due to Lando.
All in all, it was a fun film that channeled some of the OT's vibes and brought together a neat ensemble of characters. I can see the potential of a sequel, but at the same time, I think this movie could survive without one. At this point, I'll just let Disney call the shots for it and hope it turns out well.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 26, 2018 10:56:19 GMT -5
What if they brought in Cad Bane instead?
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Post by Kenbo on May 26, 2018 11:48:57 GMT -5
What if they brought in Cad Bane instead? I think Maul works honestly. I agree with what Star said about his underworld stuff. As I haven't seen the scene itself I can't say if it's good but the idea seems good. Bane could have worked also probably though less people would have recognized him. Now of course while Maul is more recognized how he is alive might be confusing to some people... |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 26, 2018 12:02:51 GMT -5
I mean I just think it would have worked better if they hadn’t already killed him in Rebels.
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Post by Kenbo on May 26, 2018 12:29:29 GMT -5
I mean I just think it would have worked better if they hadn’t already killed him in Rebels. This movie takes place before that? |
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Post by Spidyyr on May 26, 2018 12:34:55 GMT -5
I mean I just think it would have worked better if they hadn’t already killed him in Rebels. This movie takes place before that? Yes but IMO there would be a lot more exitement if we didn’t know how his story would end. |
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Post by Kenbo on May 26, 2018 14:47:45 GMT -5
This movie takes place before that? Yes but IMO there would be a lot more exitement if we didn’t know how his story would end. Well maybe. It's like Anakin/Vader I guess |
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Post by Kenbo on May 26, 2018 15:04:51 GMT -5
Oh they should've shown Quinlan Vos in this movie
Unless he died in that one book idk
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Post by Pinda on May 26, 2018 16:10:05 GMT -5
Oh they should've shown Quinlan Vos in this movie Unless he died in that one book idk He didn't. |
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 17:41:23 GMT -5
I thought this was an excellent Star Wars Adventure IMO, that's really what you have to look at it as. This movie barley relates to the main plot line at all. Rouge One despite being an (excellent) spinoff still related heavily to the main galactic conflict of the OT. Solo however successfully gives us an intriguing and very fun side story. I agree with Star that Aiden's performance as Han far exceeded my expectations. Honesltey the guy did great, I mean the opening sequence had me looking for differences between Harrison and Aiden but after about 10-15 minutes I said, you know what this isn't exactly an unbelievable kind of portrayal of what a younger Han would be like. Obviously we remember Han as being that hardended sort of Douchebag in the Cantina but I think as the movie goes on you can really see how he got from his youth to that point after what he goes through. Donald Glovers performance as Lando was an on point impersonation of Williams, except for that one part where the Droid dies was kinda weird. But otherwise Lando was great. And Chewie is well Chewie, he never changes I personally really liked Tobias, a great mentor figure for Han and QI'ra was decent as well; Emilia Clarke did a good job with the role and that impressed me because I don't think she's a great actress in Game of Thrones. I liked how they showed us a lot of what we already knew of Hans past. The Sabaac game where he did win the Falcon fair and square like he said. I like that they did it in 2 games as well. They showed us the Kessel run which was great and they showed how Chewie basically owed Han a life debt. They also set up Hans meeting with Jabba and likely Boba Fett as well. A sequel is certainly in the air and I think it could be a good one if they go through with it. I guess some of the parts I didn't like too much was the Maurader gang, I thought they were kinda weird and a weird sort of origin for the start of a rebel cell. Also would be kinda cool if the Empire was featured a bit more. Oh and Hans name origin was kinda underwhelming but at the same time I guess suitable. I did like how Han tried to con everyone though, he went into the Sabaac game with a fake bet, he tried convincing the Marauders that he had 30 men lol. Reminds me of that scene from TFA "there's nobody left in the galaxy to swindle". Like I said though this movie is way better then TLJ, as is Rouge One being better then TFA. And Kenobi will probably be better then Episode 9. |
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 17:43:34 GMT -5
As for Maul, it's a great addition IMO and him mentioning that he's on Dathomir was a nice touch since it seems like he's obviously trying to remain in the shadows to avoid detection from Sidious.
I liked the Bossk mention and if there's a sequel we will likely see him and his back story with Chewbacca. The Aurra Sing mention was good, guess we know she is dead now. Tobias killed her.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on May 27, 2018 17:44:20 GMT -5
This movie was fantastic
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 17:45:29 GMT -5
I knew right away the crime lord guy was working for Maul since he had similar tattoos or scars and Crimson Dawn is a pretty obvious name for something run by Maul... honestly you think he would pick a more discreet name. I liked that they mentioned that Maul still had a loose alliance with the Pykes too
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 17:47:36 GMT -5
And yes Aurra Sing did die sometime between when we last saw her in TCW up until whatever year this movie is set in. Still trying to figure that out tbh... seems like the Empire doesn't have complete control of the galaxy yet and it's far far too early for any sizeable Rebellion groups. I'm thinking it's 5-7 years after ROTS.
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 18:02:47 GMT -5
So new an improved list...
ESB
ANH
ROTS/ Rouge 1
ROTJ
Solo
TFA
TPM
TLJ
AOTC
After 2 years I have not decided if I prefer ROTS or Rouge 1... and I think Solo could be very close to ROTJ but certainly a lot further ahead then TFA. Basically after Solo there's a drop for me.
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 19:25:06 GMT -5
Oh and they did use Sam Witwers voice
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Post by Kenbo on May 27, 2018 19:44:24 GMT -5
I think what's good about the spin offs is they have a lot of potential for world building and exploring other things in Star Wars besides whatever 'war' is going on at the time
Can't wait for one set in the prequels...
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Post by Newan on May 27, 2018 19:55:38 GMT -5
I think what's good about the spin offs is they have a lot of potential for world building and exploring other things in Star Wars besides whatever 'war' is going on at the time Can't wait for one set in the prequels... Seems like that would be hard to do, there really isn't much back story for characters during prequel times I don't think unless it's set between episode 1 and 2... |
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Post by Star on May 28, 2018 13:31:13 GMT -5
I think what's good about the spin offs is they have a lot of potential for world building and exploring other things in Star Wars besides whatever 'war' is going on at the time Can't wait for one set in the prequels... Seems like that would be hard to do, there really isn't much back story for characters during prequel times I don't think unless it's set between episode 1 and 2... There's several stories they could adapt during the Clone Wars that weren't shown in the TV show. However, since we already got TCW show, I don't think Disney would choose to set an anthology during that time period (even though it would be really cool). The time gap between TPM and AOTC is relatively open for expansion, but I'm not sure if there's anything worth setting a whole movie around in that era... I think a post-ROTJ film based on Thrawn or Ahsoka would be really interesting. It could also occur between ROTS and ANH, but that era is already being flooded with content, and I'd like to explore other eras, too. |
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Post by Star on May 28, 2018 13:36:41 GMT -5
Even though I liked this movie and thought Alden did well as a young Han Solo, I'm not dying for a direct sequel. I think it will be more interesting to move onto other characters or groups in the same era and simply have Alden return as Solo in a supporting capacity. Any plot that centers around bounty hunters, crime lords, or the Empire in general could allow this to work.
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Post by Newan on May 28, 2018 17:38:53 GMT -5
Seems like that would be hard to do, there really isn't much back story for characters during prequel times I don't think unless it's set between episode 1 and 2... There's several stories they could adapt during the Clone Wars that weren't shown in the TV show. However, since we already got TCW show, I don't think Disney would choose to set an anthology during that time period (even though it would be really cool). The time gap between TPM and AOTC is relatively open for expansion, but I'm not sure if there's anything worth setting a whole movie around in that era... I think a post-ROTJ film based on Thrawn or Ahsoka would be really interesting. It could also occur between ROTS and ANH, but that era is already being flooded with content, and I'd like to explore other eras, too. I get that Disney has largely ignored the prequels in the 5 years they've had the license but honestly the prior like 15 years before that was all prequel content. The trilogy and TCW, even a lot of the video games. Only major Star Wars content that wasn't prequel released was SWTOR/ KOTOR games. So I think it's understandable they are not visiting the prequels at the current time... however I think mid 2020s they will likely go back to them |
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Post by Newan on May 28, 2018 17:48:41 GMT -5
When Disney first bought the Star Wars license what I expected as obvious movies would be....
Sequel Trilogy
Han Solo spinoff
Boba Fett spinoff
Kenobi spinoff (specially in his exile)
Yoda spinoff
Looks like most of those are either done or in the works. Yoda spinoff is questionable but I think still on the table and a movie set hundreds of years before the prequels sounds cool. Honestly even in the old EU the period of when Darth Bane creates the rule of two at approximately 1000BBY - TPM was largely unexplored except the few years prior to TPM with the Jedi vs Mandalorians and Darth Plageuis.
Rouge One was the only movie I was surprised by so far
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Post by Newan on May 28, 2018 18:32:02 GMT -5
Well I think there's a lot of obvious reason why this movie isn't performing as expected at the box office and none of them exactly have to do with the quality of the film itself...
1) Solo was set to release in a stacked May month for movies. Infinity War and Deadpool 2 specifically, I do think Solo will have above average 2nd and 3rd weekends though.
2) The previous Star Wars movie was only 6 months ago, there's a certain fatigue for the franchise. I think long time fans are used to having Star Wars movies every few years and having 2 so close together is weird. I think this is an issue that Disney has to address. 1 movie a year is fine but they need to be distanced I think.
3) let's face it, TLJ was not well received by many fans and I have no doubt this is impacting Solo.
4) It's a spinoff. I don't think it's expected to perform as well as the main movies but should be performing better then it currently is for the Star Wars franchise.
5) Maybe this is just me but I thought the marketing was terrible for this film, we didn't get our first real trailer until like 4 months prior to release and I just didn't see that much advertising tbh.
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Post by Newan on May 28, 2018 22:56:14 GMT -5
Keep in mind, Ron Howard only had like 10 months to make this movie and he came up with a good result. Also this is the largest Memorial weekend opening in quite awhile
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Post by Spidyyr on May 28, 2018 23:24:55 GMT -5
Keep in mind, Ron Howard only had like 10 months to make this movie and he came up with a good result. Also this is the largest Memorial weekend opening in quite awhile None of it’s on him. It’s on KK. |
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 