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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 18, 2017 8:39:57 GMT -5
I don't think we've made a new thread in awhile so lol why not now.
Well anyway, I was wondering, what do you guys think are the biggest screw ups the Clone Wars did in its run? I'll start.
-Inserting a comic relief Droid episode into the Boba Fett Arc
Okay, I know TCW was never meant to have a consistent tone between episodes but the weirdest contrast for me came in the last theee episodes of Season 2. "Death Trap" and "Lethal Trackdown" were very dark and emotional episodes, probably the darkest they'd gone at the time. But for whatever reason, they threw in "R2 Come Home," an episode all about R2-D2, in the middle of it. Why?? Not only did it completely break up the arc they were crafting but it also robbed us of a serious confrontation between Windu and Boba. As Droid episodes go, this is definitely one of the better ones. But it felt super out of place and made the last episode disjointed.
Also I love how they made the trailers look like there would be an epic ship to ship confrontation between Hunters and Jedi along the downed Star Destroyer but really it was just R2-D2.
Ugh. Rant over. Anyone else?
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 18, 2017 8:58:41 GMT -5
Um... nothing  Jk I'm pretty sure there have been some plot holes though I can't think of any off the top of my head.. |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Jun 18, 2017 9:54:01 GMT -5
I agree. They attempted to balance dark and humor stories, believing their target audience was for kids when in reality the majority of the audience was teens+. I understand what they were trying to do but I hoped as the seasons progressed (audience aged) they would have stopped but we got that youngling and droid arc...
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Post by Star on Jun 20, 2017 13:03:05 GMT -5
What about the encounters between Anakin and Grievous/Dooku? Grievous acts like he hasn't seen Anakin before during the opening of ROTS, while Anakin later tells Dooku in ROTS that his powers have doubled since they last met (making it seem like a reference to Geonosis). I know writers can probably find a way to explain these, but they are still kind of awkward moments in the dialogue. Regardless, I'm fine with it, since TCW is much better by having Anakin encounter both Grievous and Dooku.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 20, 2017 14:29:18 GMT -5
What about the encounters between Anakin and Grievous/Dooku? Grievous acts like he hasn't seen Anakin before during the opening of ROTS, while Anakin later tells Dooku in ROTS that his powers have doubled since they last met (making it seem like a reference to Geonosis). I know writers can probably find a way to explain these, but they are still kind of awkward moments in the dialogue. Regardless, I'm fine with it, since TCW is much better by having Anakin encounter both Grievous and Dooku. Anakin actually never did meet Grievous in TCW. But yeah, you're right about Dooku though. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 20, 2017 14:34:49 GMT -5
But they really did commit to the whole Ani and Grievous thing, almost to the point of absurdity.
Like every time they were in an episode, they would always have Anakin separated from whomever they wanted to fight Grievous (Destroy Malevoence, Duel of the Droids, Greivous Intrigue, ARC Troopers) or have some BS so they're literally right next to each other but some how don't see the other (Shadow Warrior, the Crystal Arc)
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 20, 2017 14:45:39 GMT -5
Yeah in Shadow Warrior they definitely would've seen each other. But I guess they never officially "met". For Dooku, yeah it's obviously referring to Geonosis but you can say it just refers to the literal last time they met... But those lines in ROTS don't really make sense. It'd be odd for the hero of the republic and the greatest general as seen by the public to not have ever met the opposition's main guys...
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Post by Star on Jun 20, 2017 15:47:33 GMT -5
What about the encounters between Anakin and Grievous/Dooku? Grievous acts like he hasn't seen Anakin before during the opening of ROTS, while Anakin later tells Dooku in ROTS that his powers have doubled since they last met (making it seem like a reference to Geonosis). I know writers can probably find a way to explain these, but they are still kind of awkward moments in the dialogue. Regardless, I'm fine with it, since TCW is much better by having Anakin encounter both Grievous and Dooku. Anakin actually never did meet Grievous in TCW. But yeah, you're right about Dooku though. Oh yeah, you're right; it's been a while since I've watched TCW. They tried really hard to make sure they never met face to face, even though they should have, logically speaking. Both of them were always very active in the war. For Dooku, it's only a line or two of dialogue though, so not that big a deal. Just something worth noting. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 20, 2017 18:53:37 GMT -5
Yeah in Shadow Warrior they definitely would've seen each other. But I guess they never officially "met". For Dooku, yeah it's obviously referring to Geonosis but you can say it just refers to the literal last time they met... But those lines in ROTS don't really make sense. It'd be odd for the hero of the republic and the greatest general as seen by the public to not have ever met the opposition's main guys... My powers have doubled since "The Lost One" biatch! |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 20, 2017 19:22:16 GMT -5
Yeah in Shadow Warrior they definitely would've seen each other. But I guess they never officially "met". For Dooku, yeah it's obviously referring to Geonosis but you can say it just refers to the literal last time they met... But those lines in ROTS don't really make sense. It'd be odd for the hero of the republic and the greatest general as seen by the public to not have ever met the opposition's main guys... My powers have doubled since "The Lost One" biatch! "That was last week..." |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 20, 2017 20:08:05 GMT -5
My powers have doubled since "The Lost One" biatch! "That was last week..." Y O U U N D E R E S T I M A T E M Y P O W E R O U U N D E R E S T I M A T E M Y P O W E R |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 20, 2017 21:01:39 GMT -5
But it also seems weird that Grievous has apparently fought Obi-Wan dozens of times but somehow still hasn't gotten any better at fighting Obi-Wan by ROTS.
And why did he feel the need to brag about being trained in light saber fighting? Obi-Wan would clearly know this.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 20, 2017 22:08:40 GMT -5
But it also seems weird that Grievous has apparently fought Obi-Wan dozens of times but somehow still hasn't gotten any better at fighting Obi-Wan by ROTS. And why did he feel the need to brag about being trained in light saber fighting? Obi-Wan would clearly know this. Hello there! 🅱️eneral 🅱️Enobi! You are a bold one YOU FOOL I HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN YOUR JEDI ARTS BY COUNT DOOKU Well I trained the boy who killed him |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 20, 2017 22:38:59 GMT -5
And also, I need to address Dooku in general. Like kind of what's implied by the quote by Anakin, Dooku really would not have been so involved in the actual war effort as much as he'd be a figurehead.
As much as I like Dooku, he shouldn't have been so involved in the show, at least not in a hands on way. He really should be spending time with the CiS politicians and plotting on Serrano, and really doing all his work through holograms. Dooku is the person who goes in the rare super important and secretive missions Sheevy has for him. He wouldn't be running about to kill Jabba's fucking son or dicking around with the Gungans. Just Dooku should not hang been getting his hands dirty and dueling Jedi as much as he did.
Like really, why the hell would they have Dooku fight Anakin three times in a single season?
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 20, 2017 22:40:28 GMT -5
Also, no need to stylize him that much. Just let him look like Christopher Lee.
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Post by Star on Jun 21, 2017 10:19:55 GMT -5
Also, no need to stylize him that much. Just let him look like Christopher Lee. I always thought TCW did excellent with character models and animation, but how they decided upon Dooku's baffled me when I first began watching the show. I couldn't understand why they didn't leave him looking closer to Christopher Lee, because there is nothing wrong with that. Over the years, I've become used to it, and again, it's nothing terrible, just more so a stylistic preference. |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 21, 2017 11:04:45 GMT -5
I think Dooku was one of the biggest mistakes in the prequel era in general. It would have been better if he was really just a "political idealist, not a murderer". Would have been interesting if he turned out to be the good guy in the end.
But TCW really made him extremely evil... in the movies he did not kill/torture people for fun.
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 21, 2017 11:30:11 GMT -5
About Dooku's character model, I think they based him off the 2003 series version. They took a lot of stuff from that micro series actually like the Jedi's upper torso armor and I think there was some other stuff I don't remember
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 21, 2017 11:46:03 GMT -5
As the show went on, it became obvious they wanted everything to look realistic and not really cartoonish.
The Phase II Troopers look exactly like the movies as opposed to the stylized Phase I Troopers. They really scaled back a lot of the weird angles Yoda and Palps had in Season 5 and plus every character they seemed to introduce from like Season 3 on really was not stylized.
I guess just for whatever reason, they couldn't completely redesign Dooku's head so he seemed like the odd one out for like the second half of the show.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 21, 2017 11:48:00 GMT -5
About Dooku's character model, I think they based him off the 2003 series version. They took a lot of stuff from that micro series actually like the Jedi's upper torso armor and I think there was some other stuff I don't remember The Phase I helmet design seems to take more from the 2003 series than it does from AOTC. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 21, 2017 12:49:18 GMT -5
Crisis on Naboo
Nuff said
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 21, 2017 14:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Jun 21, 2017 14:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 21, 2017 15:22:04 GMT -5
That might be my least favorite episode, probably because it took one of the most potentially interesting arcs and flushed it down the toilet. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 21, 2017 17:17:26 GMT -5
yal'l are just hatters
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Post by Newan on Jun 21, 2017 17:29:10 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure George Lucas personally wrote the script for Crisis on Naboo... turned the clock back to when he was writing TPM as well |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 21, 2017 20:35:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure George Lucas personally wrote the script for Crisis on Naboo... turned the clock back to when he was writing TPM as well I think the ones George was involved with the most, like the droid arc, were the weakest... After the OT, everything he touched turned to memes |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jun 21, 2017 21:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 21, 2017 21:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by Pinda on Jun 22, 2017 7:40:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure George Lucas personally wrote the script for Crisis on Naboo... turned the clock back to when he was writing TPM as well I think the ones George was involved with the most, like the droid arc, were the weakest... After the OT, everything he touched turned to memes Well, George Lucas was heavily involved in all Clone Wars episodes... and we should be glad for that... He blocked all the horrible ideas. Did you hear Filoni's original idea for TCW? It was basically Rebels set in the Clone Wars era... But Lucas told him that would be a stupid idea... so yeah I don't think we can complain about his involvement in TCW. |
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