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Post by Newan on Aug 7, 2017 12:47:26 GMT -5
I'm betting Arya's dagger will be the weapon that kills the Night King
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Post by Pinda on Aug 7, 2017 15:55:59 GMT -5
Main reason Jaime can't die yet... has to kill Cersei I'm honestly starting to think Jaime is Azor Ahai... or Lightbringer... |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 7, 2017 16:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Aug 7, 2017 16:52:02 GMT -5
Main reason Jaime can't die yet... has to kill Cersei I'm honestly starting to think Jaime is Azor Ahai... or Lightbringer... Yeah I don't read the books bro... |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 7, 2017 17:19:58 GMT -5
I'm honestly starting to think Jaime is Azor Ahai... or Lightbringer... Yeah I don't read the books bro... I think the prophecy was at least mentioned in the show once... not sure though... I think my mind has started to mix up book plots and show plots now... But I am certain Melisandre talked about Azor Ahai and Lightbringer when she had Stannis draw a sword from the flames in season 2... Azor Ahai is very important to the plot of the books though, I doubt the show will ignore the prophecy in season 8. He is supposed to defeat the Night King with his sword Lightbringer (which could actually be a person too). There seems to be a lot of focus on Jaime recently, and his character is tied very strongly to Bran's. And I won't make another theory post, but his role in the last episode seems to fit with the prophecies of both Azor Ahai and Lightbringer... |
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Post by Newan on Aug 7, 2017 17:47:11 GMT -5
Yeah I don't read the books bro... I think the prophecy was at least mentioned in the show once... not sure though... I think my mind has started to mix up book plots and show plots now... But I am certain Melisandre talked about Azor Ahai and Lightbringer when she had Stannis draw a sword from the flames in season 2... Azor Ahai is very important to the plot of the books though, I doubt the show will ignore the prophecy in season 8. He is supposed to defeat the Night King with his sword Lightbringer (which could actually be a person too). There seems to be a lot of focus on Jaime recently, and his character is tied very strongly to Bran's. And I won't make another theory post, but his role in the last episode seems to fit with the prophecies of both Azor Ahai and Lightbringer... Jaime is god? But we already know that... But tbh if Jaime and Bronn are gone/ dead there is really nobody left that's likeable on Cersei's team, those were pretty much the only decent/ humane guys |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 7, 2017 18:02:31 GMT -5
I think the prophecy was at least mentioned in the show once... not sure though... I think my mind has started to mix up book plots and show plots now... But I am certain Melisandre talked about Azor Ahai and Lightbringer when she had Stannis draw a sword from the flames in season 2... Azor Ahai is very important to the plot of the books though, I doubt the show will ignore the prophecy in season 8. He is supposed to defeat the Night King with his sword Lightbringer (which could actually be a person too). There seems to be a lot of focus on Jaime recently, and his character is tied very strongly to Bran's. And I won't make another theory post, but his role in the last episode seems to fit with the prophecies of both Azor Ahai and Lightbringer... Jaime is god? But we already know that... But tbh if Jaime and Bronn are gone/ dead there is really nobody left that's likeable on Cersei's team, those were pretty much the only decent/ humane guys Nah, Bran is god. Jaime is his hero. And I highly doubt Jaime is dead... not sure how he will survive though, his armor and metal hand will make it hard to survive... Randyll Tarly mentioned crossing the Blackwater Rush... wonder if that is the water Jaime fell into... If it is he could end up in Blackwater Bay or, even more interesting... the Isle of Faces, which could be the last remaining living place of the Children of the Forest, who are likely to have a role in the final season. |
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Post by Newan on Aug 7, 2017 18:08:23 GMT -5
Jaime is god? But we already know that... But tbh if Jaime and Bronn are gone/ dead there is really nobody left that's likeable on Cersei's team, those were pretty much the only decent/ humane guys Nah, Bran is god. Jaime is his hero. And I highly doubt Jaime is dead... not sure how he will survive though, his armor and metal hand will make it hard to survive... Randyll Tarly mentioned crossing the Blackwater Rush... wonder if that is the water Jaime fell into... If it is he could end up in Blackwater Bay or, even more interesting... the Isle of Faces, which could be the last remaining living place of the Children of the Forest, who are likely to have a role in the final season. Well tbh the water shouldn't be that deep, they literally jumped in right next to the shore... and it takes a few minutes to drown, If Bronn wasn't knocked unconscious or killed he could try to save him by removing the armor if that's possible. And I'm almost certain Jaime didn't die |
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Post by bane on Aug 7, 2017 18:46:31 GMT -5
Armor takes forever to remove so even if you're thinking clearly while your drowning he should't really survive... like he had plate armor and (I think) chain mail on too. If GoT wants to be realistic he won't survive.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 7, 2017 19:20:21 GMT -5
Armor takes forever to remove so even if you're thinking clearly while your drowning he should't really survive... like he had plate armor and (I think) chain mail on too. If GoT wants to be realistic he won't survive. But you forgot about the other armor he is wearing underneath his metal one... |
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Post by bane on Aug 7, 2017 20:12:57 GMT -5
Armor takes forever to remove so even if you're thinking clearly while your drowning he should't really survive... like he had plate armor and (I think) chain mail on too. If GoT wants to be realistic he won't survive. But you forgot about the other armor he is wearing underneath his metal one... What do you mean? I'm missing the point |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 7, 2017 20:20:53 GMT -5
But you forgot about the other armor he is wearing underneath his metal one... What do you mean? I'm missing the point His plot armor. But honestly, they do not have to be realistic about this... Jon came back from the dead, the Ironborn drown people as part to join the religion of the drowned god and they almost always survive... That's the thing about fantasy... you can always bend the rules. So I am sure they can have Jaime survive too... if not because Bronn drags him to the surface, it can be some kind of magic that saves him. |
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Post by bane on Aug 7, 2017 20:36:10 GMT -5
What do you mean? I'm missing the point His plot armor. But honestly, they do not have to be realistic about this... Jon came back from the dead, the Ironborn drown people as part to join the religion of the drowned god and they almost always survive... That's the thing about fantasy... you can always bend the rules. So I am sure they can have Jaime survive too... if not because Bronn drags him to the surface, it can be some kind of magic that saves him. Yeah, I guess Bronn wasn't wearing much armor so he could swim easier. |
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Post by Newan on Aug 7, 2017 23:50:12 GMT -5
His plot armor. But honestly, they do not have to be realistic about this... Jon came back from the dead, the Ironborn drown people as part to join the religion of the drowned god and they almost always survive... That's the thing about fantasy... you can always bend the rules. So I am sure they can have Jaime survive too... if not because Bronn drags him to the surface, it can be some kind of magic that saves him. Yeah, I guess Bronn wasn't wearing much armor so he could swim easier. Bronn had no armor and he lost his sword, he should be alive I think even if he was knocked unconscious I think he would wash onto a shore or something. But seriously that shouldn't be very deep in the first place... not like 30 feet deep... |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Aug 8, 2017 9:15:08 GMT -5
I think Jamie will become Dany's prisoner. It'll offer a really cool storyline and conflict between Tyrion and Dany. She mentioned how she thinks he's being too nice on his family. So this will certainly be a test of Jamie, Tyrion, and Dany's relationships.
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Post by Newan on Aug 8, 2017 12:14:47 GMT -5
Wait I totally forgot... Bronn killed 100s maybe 1000s of people with just one Arrow at Blackwater, now he likely killed a Dragon as well, the most badass character with then highest kill/ death ratio in the show  |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 14:30:47 GMT -5
Wait I totally forgot... Bronn killed 100s maybe 1000s of people with just one Arrow at Blackwater, now he likely killed a Dragon as well, the most badass character with then highest kill/ death ratio in the show I don't know... Drogon, Cersie and the Night King could be contenders for that K/D ratio... |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 14:35:57 GMT -5
I think Jamie will become Dany's prisoner. It'll offer a really cool storyline and conflict between Tyrion and Dany. She mentioned how she thinks he's being too nice on his family. So this will certainly be a test of Jamie, Tyrion, and Dany's relationships. It's quite possible... I suspect Tyrion will free Jaime then. In the books it is said Dany will know three betrayals. One for blood, one of gold and one for love... Tyrion freeing Jaime could be the betrayal for love. |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 14:41:11 GMT -5
So I was just thinking about the Valyrian steel dagger... In the books people wonder why someone would give away a Valyrian steel weapon to an assassin... Tyrion and Jaime believe Joffrey was behind it and he simply did not realize the value of Valyrian steel... but that is kind of a weak argument. What if Bran is like the opposite of the Night King and can only be killed by Valyrian steel (or dragonglass) as well? What if the Great Other (opposite of the Lord of Light) influenced people to try and kill Bran before he became a threat?
I don't know... there seems to be more to the dagger... and the show never even addressed the question of who was behind the assassination attempt...I don't think it was Jaime/Cersie/Littlefinger... and I don't see any serious motives for Joffrey being behind it on his own.
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 8, 2017 14:54:00 GMT -5
So I was just thinking about the Valyrian steel dagger... In the books people wonder why someone would give away a Valyrian steel weapon to an assassin... Tyrion and Jaime believe Joffrey was behind it and he simply did not realize the value of Valyrian steel... but that is kind of a weak argument. What if Bran is like the opposite of the Night King and can only be killed by Valyrian steel (or dragonglass) as well? What if the Great Other (opposite of the Lord of Light) influenced people to try and kill Bran before he became a threat? I don't know... there seems to be more to the dagger... and the show never even addressed the question of who was behind the assassination attempt...I don't think it was Jaime/Cersie/Littlefinger... and I don't see any serious motives for Joffrey being behind it on his own. I mean I always assumed it was Littlefinger who did it to implicate Tyrion. |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 15:03:54 GMT -5
So I was just thinking about the Valyrian steel dagger... In the books people wonder why someone would give away a Valyrian steel weapon to an assassin... Tyrion and Jaime believe Joffrey was behind it and he simply did not realize the value of Valyrian steel... but that is kind of a weak argument. What if Bran is like the opposite of the Night King and can only be killed by Valyrian steel (or dragonglass) as well? What if the Great Other (opposite of the Lord of Light) influenced people to try and kill Bran before he became a threat? I don't know... there seems to be more to the dagger... and the show never even addressed the question of who was behind the assassination attempt...I don't think it was Jaime/Cersie/Littlefinger... and I don't see any serious motives for Joffrey being behind it on his own. I mean I always assumed it was Littlefinger who did it to implicate Tyrion. So did I until I read the books. But the question was never answered on the show... We know about all the other things Littlefinger did... and in the books Joffrey gets blamed for it in the end... Littlefinger actually seems very unlikely because he had no time to arrange for the assassination attempt. Littlefinger could not have anticipated Jaime pushing Bran out of the tower, and there is no way he managed to sent an assassin to Winterfell from King's Landing in the limited time that passed between Bran's fall and the assassination attempt. And why would Bran ask Littlefinger if knew who the dagger belonged to if it was just his dagger? Also, another thing from the book I just remembered: Littlefinger lied about the dagger belonging to Tyrion. It never was his... Why would he use that dagger to blame Tyrion if it had no ties to Tyrion? He could have used any dagger, a less expensive one for sure. Joffrey does not make a lot of sense either... Jaime thinks he did it because he wanted to impress King Robert (who apparently said Bran would be better of dead) but Joffrey that's a weak motive. They did not have to answer the question on the show... but they had to bring up the assassination again... they wouldn't do that randomly... They have to answer the question of who tried to kill Bran... and if they stick to the book version of events Littlefinger won't make sense. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 8, 2017 15:16:38 GMT -5
I mean I always assumed it was Littlefinger who did it to implicate Tyrion. So did I until I read the books. But the question was never answered on the show... We know about all the other things Littlefinger did... and in the books Joffrey gets blamed for it in the end... Littlefinger actually seems very unlikely because he had no time to arrange for the assassination attempt. Littlefinger could not have anticipated Jaime pushing Bran out of the tower, and there is no way he managed to sent an assassin to Winterfell from King's Landing in the limited time that passed between Bran's fall and the assassination attempt. And why would Bran ask Littlefinger if knew who the dagger belonged to if it was just his dagger? Also, another thing from the book I just remembered: Littlefinger lied about the dagger belonging to Tyrion. It never was his... Why would he use that dagger to blame Tyrion if it had no ties to Tyrion? He could have used any dagger, a less expensive one for sure. Joffrey does not make a lot of sense either... Jaime thinks he did it because he wanted to impress King Robert (who apparently said Bran would be better of dead) but Joffrey that's a weak motive. They did not have to answer the question on the show... but they had to bring up the assassination again... they wouldn't do that randomly... They have to answer the question of who tried to kill Bran... and if they stick to the book version of events Littlefinger won't make sense. Yeah, I don't think Joffrey's smart enough to even plan something like that. I mean, we don't know exactly how much time passed. Maybe Littlefingers spies reported on what transpired. |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 15:27:33 GMT -5
So did I until I read the books. But the question was never answered on the show... We know about all the other things Littlefinger did... and in the books Joffrey gets blamed for it in the end... Littlefinger actually seems very unlikely because he had no time to arrange for the assassination attempt. Littlefinger could not have anticipated Jaime pushing Bran out of the tower, and there is no way he managed to sent an assassin to Winterfell from King's Landing in the limited time that passed between Bran's fall and the assassination attempt. And why would Bran ask Littlefinger if knew who the dagger belonged to if it was just his dagger? Also, another thing from the book I just remembered: Littlefinger lied about the dagger belonging to Tyrion. It never was his... Why would he use that dagger to blame Tyrion if it had no ties to Tyrion? He could have used any dagger, a less expensive one for sure. Joffrey does not make a lot of sense either... Jaime thinks he did it because he wanted to impress King Robert (who apparently said Bran would be better of dead) but Joffrey that's a weak motive. They did not have to answer the question on the show... but they had to bring up the assassination again... they wouldn't do that randomly... They have to answer the question of who tried to kill Bran... and if they stick to the book version of events Littlefinger won't make sense. Yeah, I don't think Joffrey's smart enough to even plan something like that. I mean, we don't know exactly how much time passed. Maybe Littlefingers spies reported on what transpired. True, we don't know how much time passed... but it does not feel like much time passed at all. Like Robert and Ned did not even arrive in King's Landing yet when the assassination happened in the show... Even if Littlefinger got his information in time it would take even more time to sent a reliable assassin with that specific dagger to the North. It was either Joffrey or someone/something else (possibly through Joffrey). |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 8, 2017 15:54:48 GMT -5
What if the plot twist is that it really was Tyrion the whole time?  |
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Post by Newan on Aug 8, 2017 15:58:28 GMT -5
Wait I totally forgot... Bronn killed 100s maybe 1000s of people with just one Arrow at Blackwater, now he likely killed a Dragon as well, the most badass character with then highest kill/ death ratio in the show I don't know... Drogon, Cersie and the Night King could be contenders for that K/D ratio... If Drogom dies then that counts as like +1000 lol |
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Post by bane on Aug 8, 2017 15:58:54 GMT -5
Well they spent like 3 minutes of the episode letting the dagger change hands recently so maybe more will be revealed soon since most people probably forgot about the dagger by now
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 16:00:14 GMT -5
Well they spent like 3 minutes of the episode letting the dagger change hands recently so maybe more will be revealed soon since most people probably forgot about the dagger by now Yeah, the dagger is a big deal... The only question is: Why? |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 8, 2017 16:50:44 GMT -5
I don't know... Drogon, Cersie and the Night King could be contenders for that K/D ratio... If Drogom dies then that counts as like +1000 lol As Gimli would say, still only counts as one. |
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Post by Pinda on Aug 8, 2017 17:51:39 GMT -5
I really like Arya this season... The last two seasons her storyline has mostly been... weird/stupid... But I really like her now.
Also, the cave scene was very interesting... I wonder what that Children of the Forest symbol means, we have seen it several times through the series, even in the first scene of the series.
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Post by Pinda on Aug 10, 2017 12:25:18 GMT -5
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