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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:28:18 GMT -5
Nevertheless, The Bible contains many grotesque and twisted stories Just like the history you learn in school, the bible records some sick events. Just ask Herod. History is mostly true, twisted things happen. The bible is mostly fiction though, unless you believe the world is 6000 years old and that the reason of all human suffering is a talking snake. And the bible is supposed to be the word of God, history is just about accounts of events that happened. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:28:44 GMT -5
The first five are the Torah. Which is integrated into the Christian Bible Yes, but it was not written for Christians. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:29:50 GMT -5
No, but in parables taught by Jesus it is pretty clear that is where atheists go... I thought you didn't believe the parables, in which case you have nothing to worry about. However, that doesn't stop me analysing relgion |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:29:54 GMT -5
Just like the history you learn in school, the bible records some sick events. Just ask Herod. History is mostly true, twisted things happen. The bible is mostly fiction though, unless you believe the world is 6000 years old and that the reason of all human suffering is a talking snake. And the bible is supposed to be the word of God, history is just about accounts of events that happened. The bible is symbolic. It does say seven days, yes. But for God, what is time? |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:30:23 GMT -5
Which is integrated into the Christian Bible Yes, but it was not written for Christians. But it was, and still is used by christians. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:30:31 GMT -5
I thought you didn't believe the parables, in which case you have nothing to worry about. However, that doesn't stop me analysing relgion Why do you analyze it? |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:30:49 GMT -5
Which is integrated into the Christian Bible Yes, but it was not written for Christians. But Christians still believe the events in there are true, if not they get a one way ticket to Hell |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:32:46 GMT -5
Or maybe because God doesn't kill atheists. Just throwing that out there. No God doesn't kill atheists, because he doesn't exist. But many atheists and people with other religions were killed in his name. You don't think the Christians or Jews suffer? |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:33:14 GMT -5
However, that doesn't stop me analysing relgion Why do you analyze it? Out of interest. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:33:30 GMT -5
No God doesn't kill atheists, because he doesn't exist. But many atheists and people with other religions were killed in his name. You don't think the Christians or Jews suffer? Uhm... some of them do I guess. I don't see what that has to do with anything though... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:34:33 GMT -5
Yes, but it was not written for Christians. But Christians still believe the events in there are true, if not they get a one way ticket to Hell I bet hell is actually quite fun. Lucifer seemed like a nice guy, trying to find a democracy instead of a tyranny. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:34:57 GMT -5
You don't think the Christians or Jews suffer? Uhm... some of them do I guess. I don't see what that has to do with anything though... Well you seem to sympathize Athiests a lot, and clearly do not like believers. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:36:00 GMT -5
But Christians still believe the events in there are true, if not they get a one way ticket to Hell I bet hell is actually quite fun. Lucifer seemed like a nice guy, trying to find a democracy instead of a tyranny. Lucifer actually committed less atrocities than God... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:37:00 GMT -5
Uhm... some of them do I guess. I don't see what that has to do with anything though... Well you seem to sympathize Athiests a lot, and clearly do not like believers. Of course I sympathize with atheists the most in this case. The were the ones being murdered here. Besides, I'm an atheist myself, so I tend to like them better, just like you'll probably feel more sympathy for the christians. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:38:20 GMT -5
Well you seem to sympathize Athiests a lot, and clearly do not like believers. Of course I sympathize with atheists the most in this case. The were the ones being murdered here. Besides, I'm an atheist myself, so I tend to like them better, just like you'll probably feel more sympathy for the christians. But you forget Christians and Jews being murdered? |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:38:31 GMT -5
Uhm... some of them do I guess. I don't see what that has to do with anything though... Well you seem to sympathize Athiests a lot, and clearly do not like believers I personally don't mind believers of any religion. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:40:47 GMT -5
Of course I sympathize with atheists the most in this case. The were the ones being murdered here. Besides, I'm an atheist myself, so I tend to like them better, just like you'll probably feel more sympathy for the christians. But you forget Christians and Jews being murdered? Well, they weren't murdered by atheists, were they? Yes, of course their deaths are horrible, but that wasn't what we were talking about. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:41:08 GMT -5
Well you seem to sympathize Athiests a lot, and clearly do not like believers I personally don't mind believers of any religion. Same, as long as they don't force their religion upon others. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:42:40 GMT -5
But you forget Christians and Jews being murdered? Well, they weren't murdered by atheists, were they? Yes, of course their deaths are horrible, but that wasn't what we were talking about. I thought you said God was the horrible one. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 6, 2014 13:43:16 GMT -5
Well you seem to sympathize Athiests a lot, and clearly do not like believers I personally don't mind believers of any religion. Is that why you ridicule them and make fun of their beliefs? |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 6, 2014 13:44:38 GMT -5
Well, they weren't murdered by atheists, were they? Yes, of course their deaths are horrible, but that wasn't what we were talking about. I thought you said God was the horrible one. No, I didn't say that. I don't believe in God so I can't find him horrible. But the description of him in the bible IS pretty horrible. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:46:30 GMT -5
I personally don't mind believers of any religion. Is that why you ridicule them and make fun of their beliefs? I do not ridicule their beliefs, I am merely repulsed by them |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 13:55:29 GMT -5
History is mostly true, twisted things happen. The bible is mostly fiction though, unless you believe the world is 6000 years old and that the reason of all human suffering is a talking snake. And the bible is supposed to be the word of God, history is just about accounts of events that happened. The bible is symbolic. It does say seven days, yes. But for God, what is time? Apparently for God, a day is a thousand years to us, which means he must have taken 7,000 years to make the Universe and yet, we know that the Universe would've took much longer to create |
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Post by Namialus on Jan 6, 2014 15:05:36 GMT -5
Oh, religious beliefs. I understand. But IMO, in order to have a good government that benefits all, Church should be separated from State. Not necessarily. The very rules which govern modern western society come from basic Judeo-Christian beliefs. Those rules are for basic human dignity, yes. But it's 2013 - we're not all Christian. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 15:07:09 GMT -5
Not necessarily. The very rules which govern modern western society come from basic Judeo-Christian beliefs. Those rules are for basic human dignity, yes. But it's 2013 - we're not all Christian. Actually contrary to popular belief, the Bible is the last thing you'd want to look at to get good morals/rules. |
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Post by Namialus on Jan 6, 2014 15:10:59 GMT -5
We all believe in different things. THAT is exactly why the State should not work under a religion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 17:16:26 GMT -5
Not necessarily. The very rules which govern modern western society come from basic Judeo-Christian beliefs. Those rules are for basic human dignity, yes. But it's 2013 - we're not all Christian. I never said you were. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 17:17:15 GMT -5
Those rules are for basic human dignity, yes. But it's 2013 - we're not all Christian. Actually contrary to popular belief, the Bible is the last thing you'd want to look at to get good morals/rules. I can actually argue for the siege of Canaan..... But....it's very complicated. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 6, 2014 17:25:34 GMT -5
Actually contrary to popular belief, the Bible is the last thing you'd want to look at to get good morals/rules. I can actually argue for the siege of Canaan..... But....it's very complicated. Trying to justify infantcide and genocide... Wtf Infantcide and genocide are always wrong. |
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Post by Echani on Jan 6, 2014 17:26:43 GMT -5
The problem I feel with right-wing conservatives (based on bobafett590's pic) is that is heavily based on religion. All religions were made thousands (I think) of years ago. Man, such as Muhammmed, Abraham, and Jesus all interpreted their God from his words and beliefs. This was a long time ago, and the world doesn't stone and kill natives anymore. We are more advanced and the problem I see with right wing, is that by using religion, they base their morals on older scriptures. Yes I believe in the Bible, but not everyone else does. It isn't fair to those who don't. By now, God could have a different view on the world and those older religious texts. With a diverse of people we need to use morals based on EVERYONE's terms. An example is Iran, heavily based Islam lifestyle, and many disagree with it, along with other places such as Israel. Religion causes war, dispute, and no one has the same religion. It seems unfair to everyone else who isn't in that ONE group.
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 