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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 9:15:04 GMT -5
Jaw was literally on the floor I couldn't believe it. At first I thought it might be Ahsoka back but then the single lightsaber in the hologram made me hopeful. Then seeing the green blade... Bro... Literally got emotional lmao. The man's back. Idk what they did because at first I thought it was a different actor but Hamill was in the credits so maybe some kind of deep fake/de-age? It didn't look or sound the best but fuck I am just so happy we got to see Luke again. The real Luke the way he is supposed to be.
And then the post credits scene was another big bruh moment... So glad Boba's getting his show. People speculated it was the tenth show they didn't announce to avoid spoilers.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 9:22:53 GMT -5
As for the rest of the episode... I guess I have some nitpicks. Like they just pick up Bo-Katan at a cantina instead of her coming in a more interesting way. The Dark Troopers were great, I loved how threatening they were but I felt they made Gideon a bit weak at the end. And I was expecting them to go back to Tython and Luke would show up there but I guess him getting a Rogue One scene of his own is pretty good. But everything happened so fast though. Like the exposition with Bo-Katan as well as Luke taking Grogu. They don't ask him anything just send the kid away with the stranger. It felt like Bo knew him though idk. But I guess that's why Boba didn't return because him meeting Luke would be a whole thing
The thing with the darksaber is really interesting great twist they added. I do wish Gideon had a larger role though. Hopefully next season I was afraid they would kill him off which would've been stupid. This episode didn't really answer many questions tbh. I thought we were going to Kamino as well, there was a theory based on the star map from last episode. Plus Pershing is a clone engineer... Actually what happened to him I don't remember
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 9:24:39 GMT -5
So dope to see a Lambda shuttle again. And the Mando fighter. Speaking of ships, I feel like Gideon's Arquitens cruiser is too big. It has a hangar for TIES and the shuttle even fits in it... In Rebels the TIES had to be stored on the exterior of the ship and shuttles would dock at the front of the cruiser between the split part but they were almost bigger than the cruiser
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Post by Star on Dec 18, 2020 11:25:44 GMT -5
Oh that finale was pretty spicy... As soon as they showed a single X-wing landing, I knew it had to be Luke. No one else deserved an entrance like that (apart from Ahsoka maybe, but we don't associate her with X-wings the way we do with Luke). I was a little nervous they'd overdo it with him, but I'm honestly so happy with how the team handled Luke. I agree his face and voice seemed a tiny bit off, but apparently it was still Hamill. It's been a few years since ROTJ, so it's ok if it doesn't match perfectly. I'm still very pleased with the end result.
I actually thought Gideon was going to let Mando leave with the Child at first. It sort of seemed like he really did get all he needed and his real adversary was Bo-Katan. I'm glad he's still alive, I thought he was going to die heading into the episode. Gideon got more to do here, but we still don't have a lot of answers about him or his past. Hopefully next season gives us more. With Grogu out of the way, it looks more likely we're heading to a Mandalore-centric story.
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Post by Star on Dec 18, 2020 11:33:59 GMT -5
The post-credits scene caught me by surprise though. I was watching the credits to see who played Luke and then I was wondering why we didn't get the concept art like usual, so I kept waiting  I like the title, "The Book of Boba Fett". Clearly it takes place some time after the S2 finale because we see Fennec back with him. Since they helped rescue Grogu, it makes sense for those two to go on their own way again. It doesn't seem like they'll reappear in Mando, barring a crossover episode. I'm not too sure what angle they'll take with this series. It initially gave me the sense that Boba was now going to lead his own criminal organization, but I'm not sure if that's something that interests Boba. Seems like it'll air around the same time as Mando S3 though. I'll have to see what else they reveal in the coming months, but I think this could be a pretty awesome series. |
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Post by Star on Dec 18, 2020 11:38:36 GMT -5
So dope to see a Lambda shuttle again. And the Mando fighter. Speaking of ships, I feel like Gideon's Arquitens cruiser is too big. It has a hangar for TIES and the shuttle even fits in it... In Rebels the TIES had to be stored on the exterior of the ship and shuttles would dock at the front of the cruiser between the split part but they were almost bigger than the cruiser I'm just speculating, but I imagine that Gideon's cruiser is an updated version of the Arquitens cruiser we see in Rebels, just like that Rebels version was a newer model of the light-class versions from TCW. |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 12:12:19 GMT -5
Oh that finale was pretty spicy... As soon as they showed a single X-wing landing, I knew it had to be Luke. No one else deserved an entrance like that (apart from Ahsoka maybe, but we don't associate her with X-wings the way we do with Luke). I was a little nervous they'd overdo it with him, but I'm honestly so happy with how the team handled Luke. I agree his face and voice seemed a tiny bit off, but apparently it was still Hamill. It's been a few years since ROTJ, so it's ok if it doesn't match perfectly. I'm still very pleased with the end result. I actually thought Gideon was going to let Mando leave with the Child at first. It sort of seemed like he really did get all he needed and his real adversary was Bo-Katan. I'm glad he's still alive, I thought he was going to die heading into the episode. Gideon got more to do here, but we still don't have a lot of answers about him or his past. Hopefully next season gives us more. With Grogu out of the way, it looks more likely we're heading to a Mandalore-centric story. I'm glad Gideon backstabbed him (literally). Shows that he's a bad guy with dubious or non existent morals whose word means nothing. At first I was surprised he seemingly was letting them go after how he was randomly killing his own men last season |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 18, 2020 12:50:39 GMT -5
Have to say I got partially emotional watching that Luke scene. The build up to him reaching the bridge, schooling all those Imperial fools was simply wonderful. If I'm honest though, I still think this kind of deep faking has a little way to go before it totally fools you...
Kinda disappointed by how Boba ended up with this show. He just acts as a getaway driver, or a sidekick and frankly it feels extremely off putting him in that position, especially with how little character interaction we get (which is probably one of this show's biggest weaknesses). Thankfully he's getting his own spin off, but really I'd love to see him get involved with the whole Mandalore throne debacle and follow his EU counterpart to take the darksaber. I think that's pretty much the next phase of this show, focusing on Mandalore, which I'm just fine with. I'm still not sure that's the end of Grogu in this show though. He's way, way too marketable to just send him off with Luke and not be involved anymore.
Also, I'm really starting to wonder if the ST is really that canon anymore, particularly the whole "Luke's academy died" angle. There's no way Grogu snuffs it when the temple goes into flames. Just the whole feeling of watching this episode is making me start to feel the whole direction for Star Wars' post-ROTJ material is going in different directions and ones that make you wonder how they actually connect to the ST - because they don't.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 18, 2020 14:02:05 GMT -5
Also, I have just got to hear a raw version of the tune playing during Luke's rampage. It was a very different type of epic theme with a lot of emotion crammed into it.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 14:48:44 GMT -5
I watched it again and tbh I'm not really noticing many problems I can't come up with an explanation for. I could probably give it a 10/10. Only other 10/10 for this show for me is The Marshal.
But yeah just seeing Luke as well as that music... It just makes me feel stuff. I wonder why they're not better with the CGI faces though. There's deep fake videos on YouTube of Rogue One Leia and Tarkin as well as Harrison in SOLO which look pretty good. Even other random celeb deep fakes look pretty convincing. Luke here almost didn't look like Mark for most of it. But since they did go this route, it makes me think we won't be seeing much more of him later sadly.
Also here's a theory: Did R2 rescue Grogu at the temple? I feel like Grogu wasn't ready to leave but then suddenly after seeing R2 he was. Did they recognize each other? Perhaps R2 went with Anakin and the 501st to the temple. That would suck though R2 having to witness that stuff... Also maybe he wouldn't have wanted to go to Mustafar with Anakin afterwards
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 15:52:41 GMT -5
Internet is blowing up over this. This was the Luke we deserved. Rian's abomination got nowhere near the hype. Don't think anyone had such joyous and emotional reactions to TLJ Luke as they did to Mando Luke.
Mark's name in the credits was just the cherry on the top. It felt like they made things right, for the fans and for him
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 18, 2020 16:54:17 GMT -5
Internet is blowing up over this. This was the Luke we deserved. Rian's abomination got nowhere near the hype. Don't think anyone had such joyous and emotional reactions to TLJ Luke as they did to Mando Luke. Mark's name in the credits was just the cherry on the top. It felt like they made things right, for the fans and for him TLJ may be still be in their "canon", but really this whole scene felt like it had more intentional meaning than we're led to believe. They basically gave him his own Vader corridor scene with all the kickassery TLJ failed to provide. It just feels like the creative winds are turning at LucasFilm. Whether this means the ST gets slowly retconned away I don't know, but it does give me optimism, which is something I haven't really had for this franchise in a long time. I mean, it is Disney though, so they might just flush all this goodwill down the toilet with some new boneheaded move, but for now, let's use Qui-Gon's advice and just concentrate on the happy moment |
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Post by Star on Dec 18, 2020 17:18:14 GMT -5
I think there's a good chance Luke appears again in the Ahsoka series. These post-ROTJ shows seem like they'll chip away at nonsensical/unfavorable aspects of the ST and create an actual plot that's logical and interesting. Sadly, I don't think anything can really undo the damage of TLJ and its treatment of Luke (besides declaring it non-canon), but perhaps we can get some more interesting bits to fill in the time prior to that.
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Post by Pinda on Dec 18, 2020 17:48:22 GMT -5
Jesus christ Luke looked terrible. Also, I can't take his post-ROTJ character seriously anymore since TLJ.
And no one bothered to check on Bo?
Beskar is stupidly overpowered, and stromtroopers are stupidely underpowered.
I don't know this still doesn't impress me...
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2020 22:07:33 GMT -5
Holy not sure if anyone read my late comments on the episode threads? But did I not call the possibility of a Luke cameo last week? I KNEW they were gonna use the aging CGI like they did on Samuel Jackson in Captain Marvel. Thought it might be in season 3 though.
That finale was intense, I loved seeing Luke and R2. The final goodbye with Mando and Baby actually made me quite emotional and that post credit scene was sweet. I can’t wait for the Boba show. My guess is that we get Mando season 3 and then the Boba show starts after that
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2020 22:08:51 GMT -5
Honestly it’s awesome that the writers of this show understand the lore and Star Wars in general, the little details around the dark saber history and stuff are explained so well
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2020 22:12:02 GMT -5
So I think The Mandalorian is gonna head into retaking Mandalore. Bo-Katan will likely remain a regular on Mandalorian.
Ahsoka show is gonna be a direct continuation of Rebels imo, with Thrawn and Ezra and what not. Ezra has already been cast I believe.
Boba show will be with Fennec.
All 3 shows exist simultaneously and crossover with one another... we got a new Arrowverse basicslly for Star Wars.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 23:11:37 GMT -5
Love this music that played during the Luke scene. The chorus captures his alluring presence but at the same time just feels hopeful and comforting like Luke Skywalker is here to save you and everything is going to be okay... This was the greatest last minute hero comes in to save everyone moment ever lol
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2020 23:17:42 GMT -5
So my final ratings for the season I’d say...
The Marshal: 9/10 - enjoyable episode all around, I liked the Marshal character and I think he will appear in the Boba show. I’m still wondering why Boba was ok with him wearing the armor but cared once Mando had it. Tatooine and the Krayt Dragon were good starts to the season.
The Passenger: 6/10 - Our resident filler episode of the season, wasn’t super boring but kind of weird. The effects and CGI were good though.
The Heiress: 8/10 - good episode, great intro for Bo and gave us some good imperial scenes. I really liked the cameo choices they use for the officers in the show, makes the empire feel intimidating.
The Siege: 7/10 - similar vibe as the last episode but a lot of setup in this one for the rest of the season. While I appreciate Navarro being used a lot less this season, I just don’t care that much for it. And this episode did have some back tracking too.
The Jedi: 8/10 - I feel a lot of people might like this one more, while I liked Ahsoka in this one and the planet and stuff was cool it might have just been better to go right to Luke at this point. Ahsoka is here for setup on her own show I’d say.
The Tragedy: 9/10 - Nice old republic references and Boba was super badass, the season really picks up here imo.
The Believer: 9/10 - I actually really like Mayfield despite a lot of people not liking him and I’m perfectly okay with him having one episode a season. This episode had some good comedic relief.
The Rescue: 10/10 - Best episode of the show by far, very little is done wrong in this one.
Total: 66/80 aka 82%
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2020 23:19:19 GMT -5
But yeah the budget has increased a lot vs season 1
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 18, 2020 23:44:26 GMT -5
So I think The Mandalorian is gonna head into retaking Mandalore. Bo-Katan will likely remain a regular on Mandalorian. Ahsoka show is gonna be a direct continuation of Rebels imo, with Thrawn and Ezra and what not. Ezra has already been cast I believe. Boba show will be with Fennec. All 3 shows exist simultaneously and crossover with one another... we got a new Arrowverse basicslly for Star Wars. Rangers of the New Republic as well these four will make up the Filoniverse Tbh Boba feels like the Deathstroke of Star Wars lol |
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2020 23:51:52 GMT -5
So I think The Mandalorian is gonna head into retaking Mandalore. Bo-Katan will likely remain a regular on Mandalorian. Ahsoka show is gonna be a direct continuation of Rebels imo, with Thrawn and Ezra and what not. Ezra has already been cast I believe. Boba show will be with Fennec. All 3 shows exist simultaneously and crossover with one another... we got a new Arrowverse basicslly for Star Wars. Rangers of the New Republic as well these four will make up the Filoniverse Tbh Boba feels like the Deathstroke of Star Wars lol Oh yeah forgot about that one, it’s gonna be fun if they all get similar budget to this show. Honestly it’s crazy how popular this show has become in such little time |
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 19, 2020 11:49:46 GMT -5
It's not getting talked about as much but the fight between Din and Gideon was actually really sick as well. Nicely choreographed. I did feel like Gideon went down a bit easy but I suppose he likely doesn't have much training with a sword. I wish they'd write him better though like honestly he isn't all that threatening
But yeah this season had some of the best scenes in all of Star Wars for me. Din meeting Cobb, Bo-Katan saving Din, Boba fighting the Stormtroopers, and Luke's entrance
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Post by Pinda on Dec 19, 2020 18:47:35 GMT -5
I got to be honest, if this was the first post-ROTJ content we got I would have been excited about seeing Luke again...
Even though he looks ridiculous, and this show in general is kinda meh... I do feel that, unlike the Sequels, they got Luke right. Imagine a post-ROTJ trilogy focusing on THIS Luke, that would have been neat. Too bad the damage is already done. The sequels ruined his character forever.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 21, 2020 8:06:27 GMT -5
I got to be honest, if this was the first post-ROTJ content we got I would have been excited about seeing Luke again... Even though he looks ridiculous, and this show in general is kinda meh... I do feel that, unlike the Sequels, they got Luke right. Imagine a post-ROTJ trilogy focusing on THIS Luke, that would have been neat. Too bad the damage is already done. The sequels ruined his character forever. A lot of people think his "talent without training is nothing" quote is something of a jibe against the sequels and I can't help but thinking so myself. The whole scene here just doesn't feel like it was written by someone who at all agreed with what happened to Luke. It's why I'm crossing ym fingers that they really are just building off of Mandalorian to eventually slowly, but surely make the ST seem less and less canon. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 21, 2020 9:36:47 GMT -5
I got to be honest, if this was the first post-ROTJ content we got I would have been excited about seeing Luke again... Even though he looks ridiculous, and this show in general is kinda meh... I do feel that, unlike the Sequels, they got Luke right. Imagine a post-ROTJ trilogy focusing on THIS Luke, that would have been neat. Too bad the damage is already done. The sequels ruined his character forever. A lot of people think his "talent without training is nothing" quote is something of a jibe against the sequels and I can't help but thinking so myself. The whole scene here just doesn't feel like it was written by someone who at all agreed with what happened to Luke. It's why I'm crossing ym fingers that they really are just building off of Mandalorian to eventually slowly, but surely make the ST seem less and less canon. There are some rumors they will branch off into a separate timeline from the Sequels through the Worlds Between Worlds thingy in the Ahsoka show. I mean I am not a fan of time travel as tool to fix story issues... but they already introduced it... and it would allow the Sequels to stay canon as an alternate reality, they could even create stories in the Sequel timeline for those that liked it. I hope they go down that path and we see the Luke rebuild the Jedi Order and the rise of the New Republic without all this First Order and Palpatine clone nonsense. But I doubt Dinsey will actually go for it. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 21, 2020 10:03:45 GMT -5
A lot of people think his "talent without training is nothing" quote is something of a jibe against the sequels and I can't help but thinking so myself. The whole scene here just doesn't feel like it was written by someone who at all agreed with what happened to Luke. It's why I'm crossing ym fingers that they really are just building off of Mandalorian to eventually slowly, but surely make the ST seem less and less canon. There are some rumors they will branch off into a separate timeline from the Sequels through the Worlds Between Worlds thingy in the Ahsoka show. I mean I am not a fan of time travel as tool to fix story issues... but they already introduced it... and it would allow the Sequels to stay canon as an alternate reality, they could even create stories in the Sequel timeline for those that liked it. I hope they go down that path and we see the Luke rebuild the Jedi Order and the rise of the New Republic without all this First Order and Palpatine clone nonsense. But I doubt Dinsey will actually go for it. It would certainly be something where they could have their cake and eat it too. I think the main underlying problem though is that, regardless of making it right, they still ruined their one and only chance of making a sequel trilogy work and that will always leave a stain on it. |
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Post by Kenbo on Feb 3, 2021 22:58:38 GMT -5
I binged the whole season and decided on my ratings:
The Marshal: 10/10
The Passenger: 6.5/10
The Heiress: 8/10
The Siege: 6.5/10
The Jedi: 9.5/10
The Tragedy: 6.5/10
The Believer: 10/10
The Rescue: 9/10
Marshal is my favorite and I think one of the best Star Wars content in recent time. Just loved how western it was. Believer I really liked as well because it felt like it introduced a little more complexities and character development than we're used to seeing on the show.
I know most people don't like Passenger but I actually really liked the beginning with the night time Tatooine ambience and Frog lady was cool. It really slowed down later though but still kind of a fun episode. But still wouldn't rate it that high.
The Heiress had a couple weird moments which knock it down but overall it's still good but it doesn't do that much for me. Kinda realizing how many of the episodes are almost entirely comprised of just action sequences...
Didn't like Siege because of the sequel implications but if down the line it turns out to be something else entirely, I will gladly raise it to a 7.5. Some good moments but overall it's another infiltrate imperial structure and take them out story.
Jedi is very artfully done just didn't like how Morgan held up against Ahsoka. But otherwise really strong. Tragedy is super sloppy and aside from a couple minutes worth of Boba screen time, not impressive.
Rescue I think could've been better tbh. I absolutely loved Luke which is why it gets most of its points. But I didn't like Koska beating Boba, didn't like the lack of exposition with Luke, and the plot is basically a repeat of the Heiress and Siege type episodes where they infiltrate Imperial place and kill everyone. Kinda repetitive.
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 