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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 3:15:52 GMT -5
Discussion for episode 12 and the series finale of TCW to be released on May 4th.
“ Ahsoka and Rex must use their wit and skills to survive the turbulent end of the Clone Wars.”
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Post by Newan on May 1, 2020 9:28:39 GMT -5
Last episode in 3 days :/
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Post by Newan on May 1, 2020 9:32:53 GMT -5
Hmm anyone think we might get some flash forwards in this last episode? Kind of like what Rebels did.
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Post by Kenbo on May 1, 2020 10:44:34 GMT -5
Really wonder what's going to happen in this one. Maybe they'll all escape in escape pods and do some fake out like in TROS so it looks like their pod gets blown up... Honestly I have a bad feeling this is going to be super anti-climactic. It sucks so much that we already know that no one dies. I'm really hoping for some surprises. The only thing that might save it for me is seeing a flash forward with Vader and stuff. It just feels wrong to me to completely discard Anakin and Obi-Wan just because we see their story in ROTS. They are the main characters of this show too
So yeah probably not gonna be a long episode. No more than 30 min. Or I could be wrong and it's 40 ish but that's not the feeling I got from today's episode
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Post by zuma on May 1, 2020 15:20:06 GMT -5
I don't know about flashforwards. In Rebels that had a pretty clear purpose. Show us they will search for Ezra and probably to get a glimpse of future Ahsoka. Here, we already have their future in Rebels, the Ahsoka novel etc.
tbh, I'm fine with this being completely focused on Ahsoka and Rex. While Anakin and Obi-Wan were also main characters they get their sendoff in ROTS, so I'm okay with this being solely about the two characters we don't know as much about.
I wonder if this last episode will feature Jesse or if his story is over. And I kinda feel like this last episode might actually be more action-packed than this one. It's probably gonna be a tough fight for Rex and Ahsoka to escape and Maul will likely join them even if it's isn't willingly.
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 11:00:03 GMT -5
Damn I stumbled onto some spoilers because it was released in Australia  Usually I don't care about spoilers and will often actively read them but idk I think I kind of wanted to be surprised by this episode. But apparently the runtime is 23 minutes so that kind of sucks |
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2020 11:49:12 GMT -5
Damn I stumbled onto some spoilers because it was released in Australia Usually I don't care about spoilers and will often actively read them but idk I think I kind of wanted to be surprised by this episode. But apparently the runtime is 23 minutes so that kind of sucks Without telling us the details... is it surprising? |
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 13:03:28 GMT -5
Damn I stumbled onto some spoilers because it was released in Australia Usually I don't care about spoilers and will often actively read them but idk I think I kind of wanted to be surprised by this episode. But apparently the runtime is 23 minutes so that kind of sucks Without telling us the details... is it surprising? Well actually most of the episode remains unspoiled for me but I saw screenshots of like the last scene or couple scenes. So I guess I don’t have much to say really |
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2020 16:58:19 GMT -5
Okay so I just watched it... I am disappointed honestly. The whole thing felt pretty rushed and the last 5 minutes had no dialogue. {Spoiler}I did call the final scene though...
But we didn't get any real closure. We did not see Ahsoka and Rex react to the Empire and fall of the Jedi Order all that much. They didn't find out exactly what happened. As for Maul, he was just there to make the ship crash his character did not need to be there. We also barely get a reaction out of Vader. And no Palpatine or Obi-wan. |
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2020 17:06:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if they did another series set directly after ROTS to be honest.
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 18:42:50 GMT -5
I also watched it I couldn't wait. Man I don't want to say this but... It was garbage.  Nothing happened. They escaped the ship and looked sad and then Vader found her lightsaber years later... What? Not satisfying whatsoever. The escape should've been wrapped up in the last episode and this episode should've shown some stuff that fleshes everything out more. Like what happens to Rex, Ahsoka, and Maul now? Should've showed something to help explain how they are where they are in Rebels. We already knew they survived. The Vader scene looked really good but what was the point it didn't really even add anything? This doesn't feel like an ending at all. I am disappointed... |
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 18:43:59 GMT -5
Also people saying they couldn't stop crying are fucking pussies it wasn't that sad of an episode
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Post by Newan on May 4, 2020 10:03:44 GMT -5
I also watched it I couldn't wait. Man I don't want to say this but... It was garbage. Nothing happened. They escaped the ship and looked sad and then Vader found her lightsaber years later... What? Not satisfying whatsoever. The escape should've been wrapped up in the last episode and this episode should've shown some stuff that fleshes everything out more. Like what happens to Rex, Ahsoka, and Maul now? Should've showed something to help explain how they are where they are in Rebels. We already knew they survived. The Vader scene looked really good but what was the point it didn't really even add anything? This doesn't feel like an ending at all. I am disappointed... Honestly the Vader scene was great... the significance just isn’t there though because of the show not being fully completed. We would have seen the republic crumble more and more in the other episodes we didn’t get and would have scene Anakins progression to Vader more. The Vader scene is meant to symbolize the end of the clone wars, that helmet was pretty powerful image because the clone helmet has been an icon throughout the life span of the show. I absolutely loved the music, the mix between Ahsoka theme in the clone wars, the Rebels music with the owl and a little bit of Imperial like/ Order 66 music was just a great blend and a defining factor of this episode and arc as a whole. I agree Maul was useless to the point he didn’t need to appear in this episode. But I really liked the dynamic between Rex and Ahsoka here, it was really good and a powerful send off for their characters in this show. |
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Post by Newan on May 4, 2020 10:04:49 GMT -5
Okay so I just watched it... I am disappointed honestly. The whole thing felt pretty rushed and the last 5 minutes had no dialogue. {Spoiler}I did call the final scene though...
But we didn't get any real closure. We did not see Ahsoka and Rex react to the Empire and fall of the Jedi Order all that much. They didn't find out exactly what happened. As for Maul, he was just there to make the ship crash his character did not need to be there. We also barely get a reaction out of Vader. And no Palpatine or Obi-wan. Vader does actually accept Ahsoka death from this scene... her first appearance with him in Rebels he’s fairly surprised she’s alive. |
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 10:09:33 GMT -5
Watched it again (as well as the previous 3 episodes)
Yep. It's still bad. The problem is the scope is just too small. TCW was about telling a variety of stories focused on many different characters. This greatly expanded the world. The ending was only about two characters. We don't see anything else. And the Vader scene is seriously random. Tbh as cool as it was to see Stormtroopers I might've preferred to see Phase II Clones to show that it is still the early days of the Empire. Seeing Stormtroopers in The "Clone Wars" just feels wrong.
Oh and also I think the force powers used in this episode were too over the top
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 4, 2020 13:35:14 GMT -5
I'm with you guys. The scope was so insular (along with the last episode) that it felt too anticlimactic. Music was top notch, the tension was solid and Vader looked great (his scene was completely expected though  ), but really there's a lot wrong here. For starters, it's sort of strange how it seems to take the Empire so long to find the Star Detroyer. I mean, what about the distress beacons? Also thought the lack of dialogue was a creative gamble that just didn't pay off totally. Overall it feels a bit hollow and almost kinda rushed. Maul's such a complete non story here, it's almost insulting. I don't know, is it me, or does no one know how to make good endings anymore? |
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 14:24:00 GMT -5
I'm with you guys. The scope was so insular (along with the last episode) that it felt too anticlimactic. Music was top notch, the tension was solid and Vader looked great (his scene was completely expected though ), but really there's a lot wrong here. For starters, it's sort of strange how it seems to take the Empire so long to find the Star Detroyer. I mean, what about the distress beacons? Also thought the lack of dialogue was a creative gamble that just didn't pay off totally. Overall it feels a bit hollow and almost kinda rushed. Maul's such a complete non story here, it's almost insulting. I don't know, is it me, or does no one know how to make good endings anymore? I was starting to think I was crazy lol. I'm seeing unanimous praise over this episode on the internet but I just don't get it. I want to like it but... I just can't. As an episode it's fine but as an ending to a series I think it's missing some stuff |
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Post by Star on May 4, 2020 16:32:44 GMT -5
I thought this was a great conclusion to the show. The only part that felt a little strange was Maul, but that's more so because he took away from time with Ahsoka and Rex. However, it was still cool seeing him tear apart the hyperdrive.
I like that Jesse came back into play one last time, it made for a good conclusion to his character. The conversation between Ahsoka and Rex about not killing the clones worked really well. The entire sequence of the ship crashing down into the atmosphere was stunning, definitely one of the crazier moments in the series.
The final scene with Vader works really well. Even though we don't know how much time has passed, it seems clear that this is a moment of Anakin reflecting on the war and how he now believes for certain that his former apprentice is dead. I think it was a fitting final shot.
I'm amazed how tense and exciting this episode remained despite knowing how things would end. It was a cinematic masterpiece from start to finish, and I'm glad we got to see it produced.
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Post by Pinda on May 4, 2020 17:16:25 GMT -5
I'm with you guys. The scope was so insular (along with the last episode) that it felt too anticlimactic. Music was top notch, the tension was solid and Vader looked great (his scene was completely expected though ), but really there's a lot wrong here. For starters, it's sort of strange how it seems to take the Empire so long to find the Star Detroyer. I mean, what about the distress beacons? Also thought the lack of dialogue was a creative gamble that just didn't pay off totally. Overall it feels a bit hollow and almost kinda rushed. Maul's such a complete non story here, it's almost insulting. I don't know, is it me, or does no one know how to make good endings anymore? I was starting to think I was crazy lol. I'm seeing unanimous praise over this episode on the internet but I just don't get it. I want to like it but... I just can't. As an episode it's fine but as an ending to a series I think it's missing some stuff See, this episode was fine if they had cut it before Vader shows up and then had another episode dealing with the fallout of Order 66... So I agree, the episode is fine, just not as an ending. |
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 17:25:44 GMT -5
I wonder if when they were making Fallen Order they knew about this stuff and drew on things from it. Like seeing Order 66 on a Venator and the ship crash at the end sort of reminded me of Zeffo. Idk could be coincidence
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Post by zuma on May 4, 2020 19:05:48 GMT -5
I'm with you guys. The scope was so insular (along with the last episode) that it felt too anticlimactic. Music was top notch, the tension was solid and Vader looked great (his scene was completely expected though ), but really there's a lot wrong here. For starters, it's sort of strange how it seems to take the Empire so long to find the Star Detroyer. I mean, what about the distress beacons? Also thought the lack of dialogue was a creative gamble that just didn't pay off totally. Overall it feels a bit hollow and almost kinda rushed. Maul's such a complete non story here, it's almost insulting. I don't know, is it me, or does no one know how to make good endings anymore? You clearly haven't seen The Americans, if you think no one makes good endings |
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Post by zuma on May 4, 2020 19:16:35 GMT -5
I'm with Star on this one. I think it was a brilliant ending. So much powerful imagery and the music was great. And honestly I loved the non-dialogue ending.
Ahsoka and Rex talking before the last confrontation. Rex's tears (two episodes in a row!)
The funeral for the clones and the shot of Jesse's helmet!
Vader showing up.
The last shot of the helmet in the snow.
I think it was the exact ending the show needed. We've seen Order 66 before but never like this. Never the entire ordeal of a Jedi. We just got quick shots of different Jedi going down. I think it was 100% the right decision to make this solely about Ahsoka and Rex. They're the focus of the show. I think it would have been a bit watered down if we'd hopped too much around.
Anakin and Obi-Wan get their Clone Wars ending in ROTS, so I didn't need to see them here.
And great way to add Vader in. Seeing proof of Ahsoka's death almost feels like the last nail in the coffin of Anakin Skywalker.
Only thing I would have liked was something about Plo Koon. A mention from Ahsoka or something like that because of what he meant to her.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 5, 2020 4:10:35 GMT -5
I'm with you guys. The scope was so insular (along with the last episode) that it felt too anticlimactic. Music was top notch, the tension was solid and Vader looked great (his scene was completely expected though ), but really there's a lot wrong here. For starters, it's sort of strange how it seems to take the Empire so long to find the Star Detroyer. I mean, what about the distress beacons? Also thought the lack of dialogue was a creative gamble that just didn't pay off totally. Overall it feels a bit hollow and almost kinda rushed. Maul's such a complete non story here, it's almost insulting. I don't know, is it me, or does no one know how to make good endings anymore? You clearly haven't seen The Americans, if you think no one makes good endings I've heard of it, but you're right, I haven't seen it |
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Post by zuma on May 5, 2020 7:24:31 GMT -5
Well, not to go off-topic but it has one of the best TV endings of all time  At least that I've seen. |
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Post by Kenbo on May 5, 2020 13:58:14 GMT -5
So I'm a bit confused why Ahsoka dropped her lightsaber. I think in the book it says she "buried" them in her grave. I don't know much about the book but I'm not sure if it exactly works like that in the episode. If the idea was to fake her death it doesn't really make sense because it seems like there was no one even around to be concerned or find the graves of all the clones and whatnot. And on the other hand if someone did find the graves, they would wonder who built it. The clones likely wouldn't and a random saber dropped nearby... It doesn't really add up
I've seen some say she dropped it to signify the end of her Jedi life or whatever. But why leave them if she's just going to make new sabers again... And she only dropped one not the shoto
Idk I probably didn't say my thoughts very well but I just kind of found it weird like out of two reasons for her to drop her lightsaber, faking her death or moving away from the Jedi stuff, neither really make sense imo..
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2020 7:25:17 GMT -5
I loved Ahsoka and Rex’s conversation while Jesse and the boys were waiting for them outside.
And I loved the final scene.
I’m just mixed on everything else though. The action scenes didn’t have much tension. We know Rex and Ahsoka and Maul can’t die so it’s hard to be on the show of your seat.
The only character whose fate was up in the air was fucking Jesse. And he’s not even Jesse anymore. So maybe this would have been better had it aired when it was supposed to instead of when Disney is desperate to release at least one good piece of Star Wars content after failing for four five years.
So the episode definitely wasn’t as good but it was still good.
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Usually I don't care about spoilers and will often actively read them but idk I think I kind of wanted to be surprised by this episode. 
), but really there's a lot wrong here. For starters, it's sort of strange how it seems to take the Empire so long to find the Star Detroyer. I mean, what about the distress beacons? 
At least that I've seen.
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 