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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 30, 2020 18:47:06 GMT -5
January 31 - February 6, 2020
Episode 20: The Mystery of Chopper Base Episode 21: Twilight of the Apprentice, Part 1 Episode 22: Twilight of the Apprentice, Part 2
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 30, 2020 23:03:56 GMT -5
Mystery of Chopper Base
So the whole episode is fighting giant spiders. Great. I guess the bar for Rebels has to be pretty low. So if the episode doesn't make me cringe I guess I have to call it decent. So this was decent. And at least it was a little different from the usual stuff. One interesting thing is I'm pretty sure they reused they music from the zombie geonosian episodes from TCW but removed the choir portion. I wish they emphasized planet names a little more. All planets they've ever named in the show have felt like throwaways and I never remember any of them. They didn't even name what planet the base is on. But what more should I expect from the people who don't explain where Wolffe and Gregor are. Anyway the owl thing at the end was weird. I'm not sure what it means exactly as its in the finale as well. Ahsoka is really weird tbh. Like I actually quite like the mysterious loner vibe she has. But she has seriously added nothing to the show.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 30, 2020 23:04:23 GMT -5
Twilight Part 1
Say what you will about season 1, the second half, imo, was non stop solid episodes. Season 2 seems to alternate between terrible and not as terrible episodes... But anyway this was fairly good I mean obviously it should be since it's the finale. I forgot Maul was introduced here. Once again Ezra meets the entire fucking galaxy... And they are all nice to him too like wtf lmao. Why do they keep cramming so much stuff into finales though? We're gonna get Vader in part 2. Just focus on one thing and make it good instead of continuing to bring in legacy characters that serve no purpose and aren't used to their potential at all. Also with a 15 year gap in everyone's story, it's just not very good seeing them again and having so many unanswered questions. But whatever. I guess Malachor is a pretty cool place but their reason for going there is really weak. Yoda tells them to go there so they will learn how to stop the inquisitors? Doesn't make any sense. It is sort of cool to know the Inquisitorious is hunting Maul though. Just wish there weren't so many gaps in his story. Also helicopter lightsabers. Fuck outta here Dave seriously.
Twilight Part 2
Okay I guess. I mean nothing meaningful happened the whole thing was just a series of different duels... Kanan getting up, putting on a mask that just happened to be nearby, and fighting a dude after getting his eyes fucking slashed out by a lightsaber is not realistic in any sense whatsoever. But ok. Ahsoka vs Vader... I mean yeah it's cool. But literally Ahsoka's whole purpose this season was to fight Vader and "die" (I know she doesn't actually die but I think she's out of the game for a while). Why the FUCK did Yoda tell them to go to Malachor? To obtain a SITH holocron and learn SITH knowledge? What the fuck? Their original half assed mission was to learn how to destroy the Sith I think. But the Inquisitors aren't even Sith. And Maul kills them all anyway. So the whole reason to go to Malachor was to watch Maul kill their enemies, obtain a Sith holocron with forbidden knowledge, have Kanan go blind, and have Ahsoka maybe or maybe not die. Thanks Yoda. This show is garbage man I can't believe I defended it when it first came out
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Post by Newan on Feb 1, 2020 7:23:45 GMT -5
The Mystery of Chopper Base is alright, kind of filler like but at the same time this base stands as a main location for season 3 until we get Yavin IV so I guess it’s nice to explore it a bit. There’s also some decent training moments and some decent character stuff here.
The plot with the spiders is just sort of meh, kind of reminded me a bit of the Geonosian hives in TCW but not quite the same. I did always liked the ending of the episode though with Hera/ Kanan and then with Ezra/ Ahsoka gives a very grim atmosphere for the finale.
I’ll say 5/10, some ok stuff here but quite a bit of filler.
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Post by Newan on Feb 1, 2020 7:51:28 GMT -5
Twilight of the Apprentice part 1 is good, the Maul and Ezra stuff is pretty intriguing and I really like the way Maul acts here, it’s manipulative but also reflecting on his past. It’s almost like he wants to discard Ezra at first but sees a use for him later in the episode.
The stuff with the inquisitor (Eighth Brother) and Kanan/ Ahsoka is less interesting since you know he doesn’t stand a chance and the inquisitors are just placeholders for Vader. Come to think of it we don’t see them much after this season, if at all. Malachor is cool and I like how it ties into the old republic lore a bit, yeah I guess knowledge is why Yoda sent them to Malachor but maybe it was for Maul as well given he’s one of the few people that could in theory challenge Vader although he would never win.
I’m going to give this one an 8/10, it’s intriguing but not amazing. There’s some cool little things like Rex and Ahsoka nostalgic conversation and the Kylo Ren type saber.
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Post by Newan on Feb 1, 2020 7:57:02 GMT -5
Man it’s such a missed opportunity we don’t get to see Ahsoka and Maul talk on the elevator...
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Post by Newan on Feb 1, 2020 8:24:23 GMT -5
Twilight of the Apprentice Part 2 is better, I like that the three Inquisitors get dispatched with relative ease by Maul. They aren’t meant to be super strong otherwise they would be a threat. I assume the Inquisitorous gets disbanded shortly after this episode, tbh most of them are probably dead by now either from Vader himself killing them or surviving Jedi killing them (which Vader likely just goes and kills the Jedi himself afterwards). Disappointed we didn’t get to see a Maul vs Vader fight though but there’s obvious reason why they would choose to focus on Ahsoka. The fight is good, I’m glad Vader is clearly pushing her back 90% of the time though, he should be the obvious stronger one in that situation. The part where his voice changer fails and we hear Anakin is pretty strong and then we see the Sith Anakin eye, 4 years after this episode released and it’s honestly one of the more memorable moments in the franchise for me, definitely from this show for sure (Mauls death as well and Kanan Death ) I don’t really mind Kanan out smarting Maul in that situation, he didn’t really beat him but Maul for all his creativity gets over confident, we see it time and time again with his character. His lifelong flaw. The comment with Ahsoka running away is interesting, I’m curious how that’s gonna tie into Siege cause it honestly looks like Maul might get captured in the trailer and he’s on a venator at one point. Anyways I enjoyed the few Vader cameos in this season/ series it’s nice to have him tie into the show a bit especially when this season was focused more on the force and Jedi and the next two seasons with Thrawn are basically all Empire vs Rebellion. I think I’m gonna give this episode a solid 9/10, I thought this could be a contender for a perfect score but it’s missing some things for me, shroud of darkness was more complete and satisfying. Well we got 22 episode season 3 and 16 episode season 4 left, officially half ways. I’m looking forward to rewatching quite a few episodes in the second half.
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Post by Star on Mar 21, 2020 11:13:14 GMT -5
Saying The Mystery of Chopper Base is an improvement from the previous episode is hardly a compliment. I'm glad we get to see some better character interactions, especially with Hera and Kanan. Those moments continue a nice subplot I wish got slightly more attention in these early seasons.
The spider story doesn't really cut it for me. The Geonosian hive comparison Newan gave is interesting, but I think multiple other connections to Geonosis make that plot much better than what we saw here. I'm a little surprised they give up on Dicer so easily during their rescue, but even if she had lived, I don't think I would've cared.
I'll give it a 5/10 only because there's a few positives here to balance out any boredom or negatives.
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Post by Star on Mar 21, 2020 11:23:41 GMT -5
Part 1 is clear set-up for what we get in Part 2. I think some people automatically overhype this episode because of what happens in the next episode. By itself, this episode feels a little strange, but there's still a lot to like. Exploring Malachor is pretty neat, as well as some of the conversations. It's also a little surprising how much I enjoy Maul and Ezra's interactions in this episode. Ezra is too naive for my liking, but the overall story works.
Even though he's not around for long, it's cool seeing another Inquisitor. It helps expand the scope of what's going on, since it seems the Sith have some awareness of Maul working in the shadows still.
Overall, this is a pretty enjoyable episode that I think deserves 8/10.
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Post by Star on Mar 21, 2020 14:53:50 GMT -5
Part 2 has a lot of great action sequences, and it still manages to include some nice character moments. Seeing Maul tug Ezra closer to the dark side works nicely. I also love how Kanan outsmarted Maul in one of the most shocking moments of the series for me. The highlight of course is Ahsoka vs Vader. That moment hits every note perfectly without overdoing it. There's a sense of wonderment throughout it which the setting only amplifies.
The Inquisitors go down kind of easily, but it makes sense given the circumstances. I also love the shot of Vader arriving while standing atop his TIE Fighter.
It's interesting how Maul remarks Ahsoka ran away during their last fight. I wonder if that is what we'll see in the Mandalore arc, or if this is another case of Star Wars characters playing with words from "another point of view".
This episode works amazingly well, but there are a few areas that feel lacking compared to other episodes I've given perfect scores to. I can't really pinpoint the cause, but maybe part of it is that this episode also feels a bit like fan service. Regardless, this is still one of the best offerings from the first half of Rebels. 9/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 3:14:00 GMT -5
Glad they finally are putting a base together. I wish they had done this stuff earlier in the season. I guess I thought Season 2 was going to be a lot more about the actual Rebel Alliance. I thought the Ghost Cree was gonna have to learn to work with them and have to live with some constraints, not able to fly around and do whatever the hell they wanted anymore. But that definitely wasn’t the case.
In many ways, Season 2 feels even less focused than Season 1. That season had a lot of weakness but also some strength. Episode 9 and 10 were fantastic. And I was a little underwhelmed by the final three episodes, but they made me pretty excited for Season 2. But 75% of this season has been extremely forgettable.
They introduced Ahsoka, Rex, and Vader into the show and are barely using any of them. Season 1 surprised me. Season 2 is basically the lame show I was expecting.
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Post by Kenbo on May 18, 2020 8:05:28 GMT -5
Glad they finally are putting a base together. I wish they had done this stuff earlier in the season. I guess I thought Season 2 was going to be a lot more about the actual Rebel Alliance. I thought the Ghost Cree was gonna have to learn to work with them and have to live with some constraints, not able to fly around and do whatever the hell they wanted anymore. But that definitely wasn’t the case. In many ways, Season 2 feels even less focused than Season 1. That season had a lot of weakness but also some strength. Episode 9 and 10 were fantastic. And I was a little underwhelmed by the final three episodes, but they made me pretty excited for Season 2. But 75% of this season has been extremely forgettable. They introduced Ahsoka, Rex, and Vader into the show and are barely using any of them. Season 1 surprised me. Season 2 is basically the lame show I was expecting. Yes exactly I don't think they handled the development of the rebel alliance well. As you said I thought they would start integrating more into their military like organized structure but it's still the adventures of the ghost crew. What is the point? Literally every interesting aspect of the show is sidelined so we can watch the crew steal supplies or blow up TIE fighters for the nth time. bUt iT gEtS bEtTeR
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 16:08:37 GMT -5
Don’t know if anyone else has a problem with this but that electric guitar music felt weird in Star Wars
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 16:12:18 GMT -5
“Shouldn’t we have a Jedi on each team?”
My thoughts exactly lol.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 16:32:50 GMT -5
I didn’t hate this episode but it should have come earlier. I thought we’d get some kind of story about the Rebel Alliance finally but we didn’t. There still is really only one distinct character, that being Sato, who still feels like an video game quest giver.
I much rather would have had an episode exploring the dynamics at the base than a pretty unoriginal oh no it’s giant spiders story. Something about this show just doesn’t feel like Star Wars. I think the characters are too self aware and I started thinking about that in this episode. And I’m not sure if it’s the art style but the aliens we see here just don’t feel like Star Wars aliens. But I digress.
I did like the moments where they talk about what’s going down next week and how they’re all feeling about this. But at the same time it reminds me how weakly the characters have been set up this season. There have been no overarching conflicts, no real growth, and of course a disturbing lack of Ahsoka. These characters felt the realest they ever have during some of these quiet moments, and I would gladly take more of those over generic repetitive space battles.
Anyway 5/10. Not frustrating just lame and out of place.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 16:34:49 GMT -5
Great convo between Ahsoka and Rex. Wish they bothered to put more of those in besides their reuniting and presumed farewell.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 16:39:34 GMT -5
Sorry those helicopter lightsabers are the most retarded shit ever.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 16:59:59 GMT -5
Damn even Maul looks dumb.
And did they really expect it to be a dramatic reveal when when he took his hood down and said his name? Like wow I never would’ve guessed who it was.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 17:12:09 GMT -5
Part 1 was definitely pretty good. I think Ezra was a bit too easily manipulated here but I guess it makes sense give what he knows about the force. I think the episode suffers form how mismanaged the inquisitors have been this season. They aren’t threatening and I feel absolutely no dread once they come on screen. I like knowing there smell of them but when they’re this comical, who cares?
Not amazing but a decent set up for what I hope is a great finale. 7.5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 17:27:23 GMT -5
Why is it Ventress
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 17:47:12 GMT -5
Part 2 is probably the best episode so far, contending with Season 1 Episode 10. I kind of agree with Kenobi that everything was kinda stuffed into the finale. Maul and Vader are both interesting enough to have their own episodes, and surely Maul appearing earlier in the season would have improved the season overall, but I can’t drag hold that against this episode.
I like that they finally take out the inquisitors in a pretty quick way. It shows that they weren’t really a threat and makes Maul seem more terrifying. But at the same time it makes it feel worse that they were basically the villains all season.
The fights were all pretty good I thought, though lightsaber airlines continued to annoy me. Ahsoka vs Vader is probably the best thing I’ve seen in the show. It really felt like she could die, and honestly she probably should have.
The music was good and I think the last few minutes were really nice. I guess everything just didn’t hit as well because all of a sudden the show was asking me to care a lot about Ahsoka when it had given me nothing so far. The episode suffered from a season which really had no foreword momentum or build up, which I think made this episode, albeit great, not have some of the weight it should.
I’m gonna do 9/10.
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Post by Kenbo on May 18, 2020 21:28:51 GMT -5
These characters felt the realest they ever have during some of these quiet moments, and I would gladly take more of those over generic repetitive space battles. Yeah these “quiet moments” as you put it are really good. Scenes of quiet reflection do so much and are quite meaningful honestly. Ezra watching the smoke from Tarkintown, Kallus walking through the Star Destroyer and realizing how everything about the empire is cold and bleak, this scene. It is so nice when the characters just shut up and stop screaming and whining and trying to be funny. The show is most of the time too “loud”. That’s really the wrong tone for Star Wars.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 18, 2020 21:51:07 GMT -5
These characters felt the realest they ever have during some of these quiet moments, and I would gladly take more of those over generic repetitive space battles. Yeah these “quiet moments” as you put it are really good. Scenes of quiet reflection do so much and are quite meaningful honestly. Ezra watching the smoke from Tarkintown, Kallus walking through the Star Destroyer and realizing how everything about the empire is cold and bleak, this scene. It is so nice when the characters just shut up and stop screaming and whining and trying to be funny. The show is most of the time too “loud”. That’s really the wrong tone for Star Wars. Those are two of my absolute favorite scenes. Those are what I'm gonna remember, now whatever chaotic opening or dumb joke that make up half the running time.
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