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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2019 14:14:08 GMT -5
Ah, these ones. More Gungans, because we haven't seen them in a while. And then two unaired episodes of the 1985 series "Star Wars: Droids." Are they as lame as I remember? Let us see.
January 4th - 10th 2019
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 2, 2019 14:14:56 GMT -5
Put this one up early since I won't have my computer for a few days and this is tricky to do on mobile.
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Post by Newan on Jan 2, 2019 17:18:51 GMT -5
I have honestly watched Shadow Warrior a lot... it’s one of my go to episodes when I just want to watch one clone wars episode. Nice that it has Dooku and Grievous in it.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 2, 2019 18:50:02 GMT -5
Kinda annoyed me how Anakin and Grievous walked past each other that's too close I would say would rather them not have been in any proximity
But it's a cool episode. The droid episodes are not... I think I kinda liked nomad droids but the aliens in mercy mission are annoying a
-Kenbo-
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Post by Star on Jan 4, 2019 10:09:01 GMT -5
Shadow Warrior is a really fun episode, and I think it being one of the final standalones of the series makes it stand out even more. The premise was always a little odd, especially since after the premiere, it seemed weird to have this sudden change in character for the Gungans a week later. This episode basically has two halves, but both work together really well.
The first portion is fairly simplistic, and I like its TPM vibes. Rish Loo seems a bit obvious as a traitor, but that doesn't matter too much, since the episode doesn't waste much time attempting to figure out who's been manipulating Boss Lyonie. It was a bit strange how Lyonie appeared to not know who Anakin and Padme were upon awakening from the necklace's spell. The humor in this episode lands pretty well, especially when Jar-Jar has to disguise himself as the Boss. It's a simple gag, but I think it's done well.
When the Separatists arrive, the tone starts drifting. I really like the scene with Jar-Jar and Grievous sitting down together. It doesn't sound like it would work, but here it does perfectly. Additionally, there are stakes to this meeting as well, since Grievous needs the Gungans to back his attack on Theed. Ahmed Best also did fantastic. He voices both Jar-Jar and Lyonie, but manages to sound like two different actors, especially when imitating Lyonie through Jar-Jar; it really sounds like multiple actors and it feels very natural. The Jar-Jar humor in this scene is good, and I like how calm Tarpals was, indicating there are some cool Gungans out there.
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Post by Star on Jan 4, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -5
The second half of this episode kicks off when Grievous sees through Jar-Jar's ruse and walks outside to see an army of Gungans facing him. I'm not quite sure how they managed to disable the droids so fast, but it sets up an interesting confrontation. The sudden change to storm clouds and rain also shows the episode changed tones. Some may point to this episode as the ultimate low for Grievous on this show, but I don't find it to be terrible. It's a little disappointing Grievous lost so quickly, but I largely forgive that due to Tarpals' sacrifice that dealt a critical blow to the general. Speaking of which, his death was very moving given he's a character with such little screen-time.
Dooku and Anakin have a cool encounter, and I liked that it was largely in favor of the Sith. It gave me some AOTC impressions at parts, but still felt like a unique fight based on the choreography and inclusion of MagnaGuards. The plan to swap Anakin for Grievous puts Padme in an interesting situation. My biggest complaint is that the episode rushes her with this choice. I like how she wasn't willing to save Anakin, especially because we know if it was reversed, Anakin would definitely save Padme immediately. Yet with a few words from Jar-Jar and Lyonie, she quickly changes her mind. It doesn't ruin the episode by any means, but Shadow Warrior just feels rushed out of nowhere these final minutes. Anakin and Grievous going past each other in the exchange was definitely too close though as Kenbo pointed out.
Overall, Shadow Warrior stands up well compared to how I remember it. I like the Gungans here and this might be one of my favorite Jar-Jar moments in the saga. It's a brief story, but it covers a lot and has Grievous, Dooku, and even Sidious briefly. It's tempting to raise my rating, but the episode is a little too simple and rushed at the end, so I'm sticking with 8/10.
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Post by Newan on Jan 4, 2019 16:50:25 GMT -5
I actually watched this episode last week, (also watched a couple Umbara episodes although I will probably rewatch those next week anyways).
Not going to rewatch this one again right now but like I said in the past Shadow Warrior is one of the best standalone episodes in the show. Having all of Grievous, Dooku and Sidious interacting with one another is cool and there is really only Anakin on the other side as the counter balance in this episode. I really don’t understand why Naboo is so important though... I get the impression Sidious organized this like he did in TPM but I just don’t understand why? There’s nothing honestly significant about Naboo... although I do have a curious question about what would happen to Padme if the Queen decided to join the sepratists? Would she still be a senator? Actually what would happen to Palpatine even from a technical rule standpoint? How much power do Senators have? Cause we saw Senator Farr basically pull Rodia from the Republic briefly on his own authority.
Looking past the political side of stuff the episode is good. Grievous being captured was too easy and he should have killed more of them, the Dooku vs Anakin fight was great and it’s cool that Dooku had the upper hand, we really see Anakin develop throughout the course of their 3 fights this season where Anakin basically wins in the last duel. Rish Loo was an incompetent fool but Boss Leoni was cool and this is probably Jar Jar’s best and most tolerable point throughout the entire Saga tbh.
I liked all the inconic Naboo imagery, the submarine, the similar style lake where Qui-Gon and Kenobi arrive at, the Underwater city, the MTT, etc. This episode was obviously a nostalgic callback to TPM.
Anyways I’m going to give this one a solid 8/10. The purpose of the episode is kind of unclear but it plays out well and there’s a lot of cool elements. This episode doesn’t really flow too well when we later see Naboo this season though.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 4, 2019 17:32:51 GMT -5
Haven’t rewatched it yet but I’ve never liked this episode.
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Post by Newan on Jan 4, 2019 17:39:05 GMT -5
Mercy Mission is just... not needed. It’s such a weird and boring episode. It’s like they just took every crazy and even stupid idea they had and threw it together. Random LOTR tree people and Tinkerbell in Star Wars... 3PO is pretty annoying tbh, he’s only tolerable in small doses. I honestly consider 3PO to be an OT character anyways, I don’t think he’s needed at all in the prequels tbh.
The wolf pack is easily the best part of this episode, especially seeing them with their phase 2 armor but it’s obvious that was a Dave thing to add them in specifically. It probably saves the episode from being much worse though. I have a hard time even believing these little aliens are even in the Republic or even had the means to contact the Republic after the disaster.
Anyways this is getting a 3/10. Downfall of a Droid is probably my minimum which was a 2/10 but this episode is only better cause it has good animation and voice acting that doesn’t sound like it was done with a cheap setup.
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Post by Star on Jan 4, 2019 23:33:08 GMT -5
I may be alone in saying this, but I don't mind Mercy Mission. Sure, it's a little goofy and the plot is fairly slow, but I enjoy the fantasy themes it evokes that remind me of OT elements. The Kindalo vaguely remind me of Ents, but I have no complaints with them or Orphne, who clearly has some magical abilities that stem from the Force (light the Nightsisters). The two species are bizarre, but I think they fit in the Star Wars universe.
The Aleena aren't quite annoying for me, but they do tread close at times. I know one of the podracers was an Aleena, and I feel like we might've seen more of them in the background of Senate scenes. Either way, I like seeing an episode where the clones take time to actually aid planets in need, regardless of if there is conflict or strategic importance to the system.
Speaking of which, the clones are enjoyable here, especially since we get to see Wolffe's new cybernetic eye. I don't recall if we actually saw him with it prior. Some of the lines the clones make toward the droids are clever. Also, I think this episode handles 3PO and R2 better than past instances, particularly Evil Plans. It's nice to see 3PO be competent and kind of in his own element as a translator and whatnot. On a side note, the animation here is spectacular, especially the opening shot with the ships in space.
I understand why people don't like this episode, but it's okay for me. The whimsical feeling throughout is tolerable, even if the episode is pointless in the grand scheme of things. 6/10.
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Post by Newan on Jan 5, 2019 14:48:25 GMT -5
Nomad Droids is also kind of boring... see this is why I thought people were overreacting a lot on SW.com when it was announced that Season 5 would only be 20 episodes. Would season 4 really be so bad if it was only 20 episodes and these two droid episodes were the ones removed?
I mean Mercy Mission I guess I could see being ok as just a standalone, might even sit better with me if it was but having this be a 2 part arc is just ridiculous IMO. I remember reading old comments from the start of season 4 and prior to Umbara things were pretty negative and it’s not hard to understand why...
I’m giving this a 4/10, it’s slightly more entertaining mainly cause of a Grievous cameo but still it’s an episode that did not need to be made at all.
Final score for this 2 part “arc” is a 7/10 for a total of 35% of points... yeah pretty pathetic
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Post by Newan on Jan 5, 2019 14:50:35 GMT -5
Spidyyr just wanted to point this out but I think you mixed up mine and Stars ratings for Mercy Mission
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 5, 2019 16:00:59 GMT -5
Nomad Droids is also kind of boring... see this is why I thought people were overreacting a lot on SW.com when it was announced that Season 5 would only be 20 episodes. Would season 4 really be so bad if it was only 20 episodes and these two droid episodes were the ones removed? Ironically though, Season 5 has even more filler than this season.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 5, 2019 17:30:08 GMT -5
These episodes are also the last appearance of 3PO on the show. Kinda surprising he doesn’t turn up in the Clovis Arc.
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Post by Newan on Jan 6, 2019 1:29:32 GMT -5
These episodes are also the last appearance of 3PO on the show. Kinda surprising he doesn’t turn up in the Clovis Arc. Really? No cameos at all? Maybe Anthony Daniels was just unavailabilie and he’s like the only one to ever portrayed the role even in video games and stuff
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Post by Star on Jan 8, 2019 0:48:16 GMT -5
Nomad Droids is better than Mercy Mission, and while part of that is due to the inclusion of Grievous and some large scale space battles, I still enjoyed the actual plot. The antics of the two droids were diverse and interesting enough to keep my attention, and I appreciate how none of the narratives were carried out too long. Having some obvious parallels to Gulliver's Travels and the Wizard of Oz made them more enjoyable in my opinion as well. It was kind of cool to see the use of dark humor in Star Wars concerning the death of Hay Zu.
Once again, the episode is a bit silly, but that is to be expected given it's centered on R2 and 3PO. I don't really have an issue with that. Furthermore, Nomad Droids might be inconsequential to the saga, but I find it to be a fun side story. I think it's a cool touch that it even has the backdrop of a series of CIS-Republic battles too. The opening sequence reminded me of the beginning of ANH, which I liked.
The droid arena was neat, and given the concept appeared again in Solo, it gives some greater continuity in the universe. Right before they power down on the second planet, it was somewhat sad to see 3PO's caring side toward R2 come out.
I don't think we need episodes centered around these droids, but this arc could've been much worse for me than how it turned out. It certainly isn't a groundbreaking arc, but I enjoyed it enough for what it was. As the stronger episode in terms of plot, I'll rate Nomad Droids 7/10.
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Post by Star on Jan 8, 2019 14:47:24 GMT -5
The next few weeks will be a strong stretch of episodes.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 8, 2019 19:14:56 GMT -5
Shadow Warrior has some sequences that I enjoy on their own but the whole thing just doesn’t come together for me. Idk, part of the problem is just how messily it is set up. I never understood why they would air this right after the Mon Cala Arc. It almost feels like a prequel to that. But that doesn’t work because Tarpals is alive in that. I know the turn was caused by Rish Loo, but it still feels like a massive stretch to have Gungans march alongside Seppies. If they had this story first, I think it would’ve been a lot more believable as we had barely seen the Gungan society since TPM. That would’ve had eleven years for Gungans to slowly grow to resent the Naboo.
I also like the surprise of Grieovus being there, but Dooku is too much. We don’t even realize he’s on Naboo until Grievous is captured, and it’s not even played as a surprise, which it certainly should be. I’m not sure why Dooku was here either. Did he know Rish Loo would fail and a Jedi would follow him? Was this whole thing a trap for Anakin? Is Theed really such an important military target that Dooku would oversee it himself?
I like the battles themselves, Grievous vs Gungans and Anakin vs Dooku. I even like Jar Jar’s dialogue as Lyonie. I just wish there was a more senseical story around it all. I also like that they killed a movie character and in a respectable way.
But the ending which that sacrificed becomes for nothing is also quite haphazard. I understand why Padme would take the deal. Anakin would do the same thing and it’s in her character. I get why Jar Jar would too. But it feels like too much when Lyonie joins in. Why would he agree so easily? He barely knows Anakin, and even Padme for that matter. As the leader of the Gungans, it seems like he would want the war to end more than he’d care about Anakin. It’s almost as though the show is trying to convince us that Padme is doing the absolute right thing. It’s unnecessary. We don’t need to be convinced that it’s right but that Padme would do it, and she certainly would.
It feels like a missed opportunity for him to voice his dissent and maybe provide some nice commentary as to how Anakin and Padme make each other more vulnerable, something which nicely foreshadows ROTS. Instead it just tops off an episode full of people making questionable decisions and feels more frustrating than snitching.
I know I’m in the minority but this episode falls flat for me. Can’t put it any higher than average. 5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 8, 2019 19:39:14 GMT -5
Mercy Mission is alright. It’s not as bad now since we know Season 4 gets better but at the time, we worried it was a sign of things to come. My favorite thing about this episode is actually seeing Phase II Clones. There was like one in “Water War” but here we see them doing things. Commander Wolffe’s New armor is very cool in particular. This is also the first time we see his robotic eye outside of a hologram. I also wished they would do a prequel to show how he lost it. I know it was Ventress and it was in a comic, but it was just soenthing I wanted to see. Aleena itself also looks quite nice. It’s remarkable how far the visuals have come.
But if the visuals were my favorite part, then you can probably guess what I thought of this episode. I actually don’t mind he first part. The clones have always been one of my favorite parts of the show, so just spending time with them is never a bad thing, even if it’s just their day to day lives. Even then interacting with the droids is not that bad.
But then we get to the underground shit. I don’t know what you even say about it, it’s just kinda bleh. Try as it might, none of it’s very interesting. This might sound like a weird thing to complain about, but it’s over too quickly. They get scared off by Groots, heat the riddle from the Kermit lady, and then they get out. It’s over so fast that you just feel unaffected. You don’t really care if R2 and 3PO he’ll these people because all they do is just weird them out.
It isn’t terrible. It doesn’t piss me off. But it feels like the closest thing to filler there is on this show. If you don’t like watching the daily lives of Clones, and we’re past a point where other episodes of Phase 2 armor exists, then there’s very little of value here. 4/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 8, 2019 20:02:26 GMT -5
Nomad Droids is definitely better than the last episode. Part of that is because it jumps right into the action. Another plus is that it doesn’t try to have a moral or some heroic scene. It’s kinda just things happening. And they’re fine. Not great but it’s what you’d expect.
I kinda wish we could have seen the actual Adi vs Grievous fight and Wolfpack attack. I know those aren’t the point of the episode but they featured pretty prominently in the trailers. Would have been cool to see. I remember people predicting Adi’s death as Grieovus killed her in the original timeline.
Anyway, there’s not much to say. It’s just a series of odd events that occur to R2 and 3PO. It’s mildly entertaining and it’s hard to get mad about it, but then again it’s pretty easy to understand why people were so concerned about Season 4 now. If you didn’t like Shadow Warrior, then it’s been a season that’s been nice to look at but has had little substance. Definite downgrade from 3B.
Middling. Not much good. Not much bad. 5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 8, 2019 22:15:45 GMT -5
Maybe it would’ve been better if the placements of Umbara and Mon Cala were switched. It would be a much stronger opening and make more sense in regards to Shadow Warrior.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 23, 2019 13:59:14 GMT -5
On today's episode of "When will Naboo wake up and up its security already"! Okay, this one is probably one of the stranger endeavours this show undertook. I'm really wondering if Naboo's an unspoken tactical advantage for both sides. Might explain why the Seps are so desperate to get their mits on it. Actually, since Palpatine is a native, perhaps he personally wants it for some reason? Would've been nice to know. The tone's also wonky as hell. We have cooky, Jar Jar hijinks with Grievous of all people and then we have more drama and violence within the same 22 minutes. That said, I do like the mood set in Anakin's capturing scene and, for its utter absurdity, I love Grievous' Gungan fight even more. In the rain no less, just to keep up that drama Annoyingly though it also makes Grievous a both literal and figuratively weak character. There's also the canon whore triggering close encounter with Anakin, which, I agree, is a too far a stretch. Oddly though, I had more fun than anything else Oh, and I love how not only Rish Loo is a play on Cardinal Richelieu, but also sounds like Dooku doing a Gungan impression at times
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Mar 24, 2019 13:25:21 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I bizarrely liked Mercy Mission The Aleena are this weird ugly/cute that almost have a stop motion look about them, thus making them more endearing. Sure, the super weird, subterranean mumbo jumbo lacks time to breath, but I sort of became fascinated by it. It's not every day you come across a Star Wars world that has more than one topographical feature It's a bit of a shame none of it was revisited later. And sure, it's boss we get phase 2 clones, but I have to ask are Wolffe's bunch made up solely of individuals prone to snarkiness and complete disinterest? Anyway, I had fun. More than I ever expected going in. And then there's Nomad Droid, which I kinda forgot about. Turns out it's a lot odder than I remember I like how it takes the route of R2 and 3PO bumbling about what should be a great epic like they did in ANH, but this time it's all a bit sillier. From the mini people, to the pit droid overlords (really liked seeing those droids return), it's all leans into Star Wars' goofier side. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. It doesn't exactly make you laugh (though that gauge joke was pretty good), but it does grab your attention. Weirdly though, I preferred Mercy Mission
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